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**I did not verbally attack the guy. I just stated the obvious. If you know anything about Turkish-Assyrian relations, you'd know that they hate us because we're Christians, and that they want to wipe us out and have tried in the past. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 05:24, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
**I did not verbally attack the guy. I just stated the obvious. If you know anything about Turkish-Assyrian relations, you'd know that they hate us because we're Christians, and that they want to wipe us out and have tried in the past. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 05:24, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
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***While I do not support the verbal attacks by Elias, it is note worthy to keep in mind that this nomination for deletion was done so by a Turkish user. Kurdish-Turkish or Assyrian-Turkish related articles are a hot bed of people pushing their own agenda. And after seeing "White cat"'s recent moves [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=137596958&oldid=137596856][] - his intentions and motives are pretty clear. [[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] 03:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
***While I do not support the verbal attacks by Elias, it is note worthy to keep in mind that this nomination for deletion was done so by a Turkish user. Kurdish-Turkish or Assyrian-Turkish related articles are a hot bed of people pushing their own agenda. And after seeing "White cat"'s recent moves [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=137596958&oldid=137596856][] - his intentions and motives are pretty clear. [[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] 03:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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****Well then, I guess I was right after all. It's quite obvious he doesn't want us to get any kind of recognition or attention at all by deleting templates and stubs related to Assyrians. That said, this template and those user boxes will stay, since his motives are indeed, racist. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 06:34, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
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**"Assyrian history" would be a valid specific topic. Articles can be categorised under [[:Category:Assyrian history]] but this is not the point of stubs and instead of categories (see [[Wikipedia:Categorization]] for more info on categories). --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 03:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
**"Assyrian history" would be a valid specific topic. Articles can be categorised under [[:Category:Assyrian history]] but this is not the point of stubs and instead of categories (see [[Wikipedia:Categorization]] for more info on categories). --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 03:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*I oppose the "Assyrian history" suggestion. Assyrian-stub is much better. Not all Assyrian-related stubs are about our history. There are stubs about Assyrians (for instance, [[Claudia Hanna]]). Also, Assyrian history would imply that we don't exist any longer. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 05:28, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
*I oppose the "Assyrian history" suggestion. Assyrian-stub is much better. Not all Assyrian-related stubs are about our history. There are stubs about Assyrians (for instance, [[Claudia Hanna]]). Also, Assyrian history would imply that we don't exist any longer. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 05:28, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
Revision as of 04:34, 12 June 2007
June 12
{{Assyrian-stub}} / CAT:Assyrian stubs
Was nominated before which was closed as a non-consensus: WP:SFD/16 January/Assyrian-stub
- Other similar noms:
- Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan. It is being used to tag parts of existing countries (such as Nineveh plains). Many existing sovereign countries do not get to have stub templates. I do not see any reason why "Assyria" needs a stub template as {{Turkey-geo-stub}}, {{Iraq-geo-stub}} and etc are not overpopulated prompting such a breakaway.
- With 45 pages it seems underpopulated. Some pages the stub template is used are not even stubs such as History of the Assyrian people.
- The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all (cultural/controversial flags are frowned upon on stub templates as it risks the political POV problems inherent in articles for races that cross international borders).
- It seems to be used to tag anything relevant to "Assyrian" as a term including TV stations: Ishtar TV. It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way
- I do not believe it was ever proposed.
- Its existence is now used as a rationale to question consensus deletes in the past: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kurdistan#Kurdistan Stubs
-- Cat chi? 00:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. You don't have one single valid point to justify deletion of this stub. I can see through your agenda though. You speak Turkish. Turks do not like Assyrians nor do they like Kurds. Yes, the fact that we want our homeland back, that of which was stolen from us by you Turks, and the Assyrian Genocide, is a controversial topic. You want this stub deleted because you don't want us to gain any kind of recognition. You have a problem with our flag? Well that's your problem then. That's not a reason to delete the stub template though. You're just a racist who hates Assyrians. EliasAlucard|Talk 04:06, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- I am uncertain what an Assyrian even looks like... I have no knowledge (not even basic knowledge) on them so it is rather trivial to say I not hate them. The point of stubs is not to give anyone "recognition", they are mere maintenance aids. Also please be civil avoiding WP:NPA violations. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Right. Don't expect me to believe that. EliasAlucard|Talk 05:23, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- I am uncertain what an Assyrian even looks like... I have no knowledge (not even basic knowledge) on them so it is rather trivial to say I not hate them. The point of stubs is not to give anyone "recognition", they are mere maintenance aids. Also please be civil avoiding WP:NPA violations. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep- Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan - this is true, BUT look at the template again; it doesn't say Assyria, it says "Assyrian-related" - that is not contriversial. Notice how the word "Assyrian" is linked to Assyrian people, not Assyria. The same with the Kurdish one I believe used; if the template said "Kurdish" instead of "Kurdistan" then I dont think that wouldn't push NPOV. As for the rest of your concerns; The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all - the Assyrian flag is not a flag of a "region", much like Kurdistan, but an ethnic one. With 45 pages it seems underpopulated. - Assyrian topic may not be as large as some other topics. What is wrong with that? It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way - the topic is anything related to Assyrian people.Chaldean 02:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Stubs#Creating stub types#4: "Ideally, a newly-created stub type has 100-300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a minimum of 60 articles". This one had 5 when created according to the previous nom and has 45 entires after nearly 5 months. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- If thats your only concern, then their should not be a problem, since their are well over [100 Assyrian stubs] - its just a matter of "we haven't gotten to them yet". Chaldean 03:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- You want to tag places like Baz, Turkey/Hakkâri and etc under an Assyrian stub? The article(s) doesn't even mention Assyrians (yet). It is somehow on that list you provided. This arbitrary criteria isn't particularly useful. -- Cat chi? 03:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- You want to tag places like Baz, Turkey/Hakkâri and etc under an Assyrian stub? - Umm no I dont, just so that it doesn't offend you. Any other concerns? Chaldean 03:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- You want to tag places like Baz, Turkey/Hakkâri and etc under an Assyrian stub? The article(s) doesn't even mention Assyrians (yet). It is somehow on that list you provided. This arbitrary criteria isn't particularly useful. -- Cat chi? 03:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- If thats your only concern, then their should not be a problem, since their are well over [100 Assyrian stubs] - its just a matter of "we haven't gotten to them yet". Chaldean 03:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Stubs#Creating stub types#4: "Ideally, a newly-created stub type has 100-300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a minimum of 60 articles". This one had 5 when created according to the previous nom and has 45 entires after nearly 5 months. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- It says "Assyrian-related" because the stub template boilerplate text reads "This foo-related article is a stub", and people plug in a term without really considering that the wording might be awkward or unclear. I have no opinion on the stub itself (yet), but I'm not inclined to listen to arguments from someone who verbally attacks a user. Her Pegship (tis herself) 03:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I did not verbally attack the guy. I just stated the obvious. If you know anything about Turkish-Assyrian relations, you'd know that they hate us because we're Christians, and that they want to wipe us out and have tried in the past. EliasAlucard|Talk 05:24, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- While I do not support the verbal attacks by Elias, it is note worthy to keep in mind that this nomination for deletion was done so by a Turkish user. Kurdish-Turkish or Assyrian-Turkish related articles are a hot bed of people pushing their own agenda. And after seeing "White cat"'s recent moves [[1][] - his intentions and motives are pretty clear. Chaldean 03:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well then, I guess I was right after all. It's quite obvious he doesn't want us to get any kind of recognition or attention at all by deleting templates and stubs related to Assyrians. That said, this template and those user boxes will stay, since his motives are indeed, racist. EliasAlucard|Talk 06:34, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- While I do not support the verbal attacks by Elias, it is note worthy to keep in mind that this nomination for deletion was done so by a Turkish user. Kurdish-Turkish or Assyrian-Turkish related articles are a hot bed of people pushing their own agenda. And after seeing "White cat"'s recent moves [[1][] - his intentions and motives are pretty clear. Chaldean 03:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- "Assyrian history" would be a valid specific topic. Articles can be categorised under Category:Assyrian history but this is not the point of stubs and instead of categories (see Wikipedia:Categorization for more info on categories). -- Cat chi? 03:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I did not verbally attack the guy. I just stated the obvious. If you know anything about Turkish-Assyrian relations, you'd know that they hate us because we're Christians, and that they want to wipe us out and have tried in the past. EliasAlucard|Talk 05:24, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- I oppose the "Assyrian history" suggestion. Assyrian-stub is much better. Not all Assyrian-related stubs are about our history. There are stubs about Assyrians (for instance, Claudia Hanna). Also, Assyrian history would imply that we don't exist any longer. EliasAlucard|Talk 05:28, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)