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*'''Keep'''. You don't have one single valid point to justify deletion of this stub. I can see through your agenda though. You speak Turkish. Turks do not like Assyrians nor do they like Kurds. Yes, the fact that we want our homeland back, that of which was stolen from us by you Turks, and the [[Assyrian Genocide]], is a controversial topic. You want this stub deleted because you don't want us to gain any kind of recognition. You have a problem with our flag? Well that's your problem then. That's not a reason to delete the stub template though. You're just a racist who hates Assyrians. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 04:06, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. You don't have one single valid point to justify deletion of this stub. I can see through your agenda though. You speak Turkish. Turks do not like Assyrians nor do they like Kurds. Yes, the fact that we want our homeland back, that of which was stolen from us by you Turks, and the [[Assyrian Genocide]], is a controversial topic. You want this stub deleted because you don't want us to gain any kind of recognition. You have a problem with our flag? Well that's your problem then. That's not a reason to delete the stub template though. You're just a racist who hates Assyrians. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 04:06, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC) |
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**I am uncertain what an Assyrian even looks like... I have no knowledge (not even basic knowledge) on them so it is rather trivial to say I not hate them. The point of stubs is not to give anyone "recognition", they are mere maintenance aids. --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
**I am uncertain what an Assyrian even looks like... I have no knowledge (not even basic knowledge) on them so it is rather trivial to say I not hate them. The point of stubs is not to give anyone "recognition", they are mere maintenance aids. Also please be civil avoiding [[WP:NPA]] violations. --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''- ''Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan'' - this is true, BUT look at the template again; it doesn't say Assyria, it says "Assyrian-related" - that is not contriversial. The same with the Kurdish one I believe used; if the template said "Kurdish" instead of "Kurdistan" then I dont think that wouldn't push NPOV. As for the rest of your concerns; ''The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all '' - the Assyrian flag is not a flag of a "region", much like Kurdistan, but an ethnic one. ''With 45 pages it seems underpopulated.'' - Assyrian topic may not be as large as some other topics. What is wrong with that? ''It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way'' - the topic is anything related to [[Assyrian people]].[[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] 02:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''- ''Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan'' - this is true, BUT look at the template again; it doesn't say Assyria, it says "Assyrian-related" - that is not contriversial. The same with the Kurdish one I believe used; if the template said "Kurdish" instead of "Kurdistan" then I dont think that wouldn't push NPOV. As for the rest of your concerns; ''The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all '' - the Assyrian flag is not a flag of a "region", much like Kurdistan, but an ethnic one. ''With 45 pages it seems underpopulated.'' - Assyrian topic may not be as large as some other topics. What is wrong with that? ''It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way'' - the topic is anything related to [[Assyrian people]].[[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] 02:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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**See [[Wikipedia:Stubs#Creating stub types]]#4: "Ideally, a newly-created stub type has 100-300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a ''minimum'' of 60 articles". This one had 5 when created according to the previous nom and has 45 entires after nearly 5 months. --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
**See [[Wikipedia:Stubs#Creating stub types]]#4: "Ideally, a newly-created stub type has 100-300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a ''minimum'' of 60 articles". This one had 5 when created according to the previous nom and has 45 entires after nearly 5 months. --<small> [[User:White Cat/07|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/07|chi?]]</sup> 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
Revision as of 03:04, 12 June 2007
June 12
{{Assyrian-stub}} / CAT:Assyrian stubs
Was nominated before which was closed as a non-consensus: WP:SFD/16 January/Assyrian-stub
- Other similar noms:
- Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan. It is being used to tag parts of existing countries (such as Nineveh plains). Many existing sovereign countries do not get to have stub templates. I do not see any reason why "Assyria" needs a stub template as {{Turkey-geo-stub}}, {{Iraq-geo-stub}} and etc are not overpopulated prompting such a breakaway.
- With 45 pages it seems underpopulated. Some pages the stub template is used are not even stubs such as History of the Assyrian people.
- The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all (cultural/controversial flags are frowned upon on stub templates as it risks the political POV problems inherent in articles for races that cross international borders).
- It seems to be used to tag anything relevant to "Assyrian" as a term including TV stations: Ishtar TV. It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way
- I do not believe it was ever proposed.
- Its existence is now used as a rationale to question consensus deletes in the past: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kurdistan#Kurdistan Stubs
-- Cat chi? 00:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. You don't have one single valid point to justify deletion of this stub. I can see through your agenda though. You speak Turkish. Turks do not like Assyrians nor do they like Kurds. Yes, the fact that we want our homeland back, that of which was stolen from us by you Turks, and the Assyrian Genocide, is a controversial topic. You want this stub deleted because you don't want us to gain any kind of recognition. You have a problem with our flag? Well that's your problem then. That's not a reason to delete the stub template though. You're just a racist who hates Assyrians. EliasAlucard|Talk 04:06, 12 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
- I am uncertain what an Assyrian even looks like... I have no knowledge (not even basic knowledge) on them so it is rather trivial to say I not hate them. The point of stubs is not to give anyone "recognition", they are mere maintenance aids. Also please be civil avoiding WP:NPA violations. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep- Assyria is a controversial region with non-definitive borders much like Kurdistan - this is true, BUT look at the template again; it doesn't say Assyria, it says "Assyrian-related" - that is not contriversial. The same with the Kurdish one I believe used; if the template said "Kurdish" instead of "Kurdistan" then I dont think that wouldn't push NPOV. As for the rest of your concerns; The presence of an Assyrian flag itself adds additional controversy. This isn't a country after all - the Assyrian flag is not a flag of a "region", much like Kurdistan, but an ethnic one. With 45 pages it seems underpopulated. - Assyrian topic may not be as large as some other topics. What is wrong with that? It doesnt seem to be topic specific in any way - the topic is anything related to Assyrian people.Chaldean 02:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Stubs#Creating stub types#4: "Ideally, a newly-created stub type has 100-300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a minimum of 60 articles". This one had 5 when created according to the previous nom and has 45 entires after nearly 5 months. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)