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* '''Delete''', I found YouTube, MySpace and Wikipedia entries as the primary search hits. Not noteable enough. [[User:Pharmboy|Pharmboy]] 00:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''', I found YouTube, MySpace and Wikipedia entries as the primary search hits. Not noteable enough. [[User:Pharmboy|Pharmboy]] 00:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. Not notable per [[WP:BIO]]. All references are to non notable websites. '''Note''': I have informed the user who created the article of this AfD process, as the nominator does not seem to have done so. —[[User:Gorgan almighty|gorgan_almighty]] 09:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. Not notable per [[WP:BIO]]. All references are to non notable websites. '''Note''': I have informed the user who created the article of this AfD process, as the nominator does not seem to have done so. —[[User:Gorgan almighty|gorgan_almighty]] 09:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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::'''Comment''' It's not actually required that the refs pass notability only reliability. The Weekly World News passes notability, but I pity any editor claiming it's reliable.[[User:Horrorshowj|Horrorshowj]] 23:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''Keep''' The main argument for notability is that the subject is a woman working as a successful professional magician, ie. one who headlines shows under her own name rather than working as an assistant to a male magician. That is still quite rare and especially so in escapology. In addition, she seems to command respect from other established professionals in the magic and escapology business (as evidenced by threads on forums such as ''The Magic Cafe''). This is certainly not one of those cases of a little-known local performer seeking to use Wikipedia as free advertising. I agree that the references could be improved, although I don't think they are quite as bad as at least one critic implied. For example, the Hong Kong Magic Festival is a genuine and substantial event that attracts recognised international names. The book to which she contributed was edited by a respected name in escapology. It is my hope and intention to get the references improved. I had planned to do some more work on this but I haven't had as much time recently as I'd reckoned on and most of my editing has been focused on another article. I am told there are articles in magazines such as ''Magic'' that could be cited to bolster her claims to notability but I am still waiting to obtain copies.[[User:Circusandmagicfan|Circusandmagicfan]] 22:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan |
* '''Keep''' The main argument for notability is that the subject is a woman working as a successful professional magician, ie. one who headlines shows under her own name rather than working as an assistant to a male magician. That is still quite rare and especially so in escapology. In addition, she seems to command respect from other established professionals in the magic and escapology business (as evidenced by threads on forums such as ''The Magic Cafe''). This is certainly not one of those cases of a little-known local performer seeking to use Wikipedia as free advertising. I agree that the references could be improved, although I don't think they are quite as bad as at least one critic implied. For example, the Hong Kong Magic Festival is a genuine and substantial event that attracts recognised international names. The book to which she contributed was edited by a respected name in escapology. It is my hope and intention to get the references improved. I had planned to do some more work on this but I haven't had as much time recently as I'd reckoned on and most of my editing has been focused on another article. I am told there are articles in magazines such as ''Magic'' that could be cited to bolster her claims to notability but I am still waiting to obtain copies.[[User:Circusandmagicfan|Circusandmagicfan]] 22:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan |
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*'''Delete'''The references don't amount to independent, reliable coverage. The bulk of it comes from the escape key website, and appears to have been written by the subject. I'm not finding any newspaper coverage to bolster the notability argument. All google hits for name in quotes appear to be for sites she's affiliated with or wikipedia mirrors. While I think she'll get there, she doesn't pass [[WP:Bio]] at this time.[[User:Horrorshowj|Horrorshowj]] 23:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Morgan the Escapist
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Non-notable performer. Unable to find significant reliable sources to confirm notability.[1]. The fact that the first reference in the article is a Yahoo group doesn't help. Saikokira 23:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, I found YouTube, MySpace and Wikipedia entries as the primary search hits. Not noteable enough. Pharmboy 00:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable per WP:BIO. All references are to non notable websites. Note: I have informed the user who created the article of this AfD process, as the nominator does not seem to have done so. —gorgan_almighty 09:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It's not actually required that the refs pass notability only reliability. The Weekly World News passes notability, but I pity any editor claiming it's reliable.Horrorshowj 23:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep The main argument for notability is that the subject is a woman working as a successful professional magician, ie. one who headlines shows under her own name rather than working as an assistant to a male magician. That is still quite rare and especially so in escapology. In addition, she seems to command respect from other established professionals in the magic and escapology business (as evidenced by threads on forums such as The Magic Cafe). This is certainly not one of those cases of a little-known local performer seeking to use Wikipedia as free advertising. I agree that the references could be improved, although I don't think they are quite as bad as at least one critic implied. For example, the Hong Kong Magic Festival is a genuine and substantial event that attracts recognised international names. The book to which she contributed was edited by a respected name in escapology. It is my hope and intention to get the references improved. I had planned to do some more work on this but I haven't had as much time recently as I'd reckoned on and most of my editing has been focused on another article. I am told there are articles in magazines such as Magic that could be cited to bolster her claims to notability but I am still waiting to obtain copies.Circusandmagicfan 22:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
- DeleteThe references don't amount to independent, reliable coverage. The bulk of it comes from the escape key website, and appears to have been written by the subject. I'm not finding any newspaper coverage to bolster the notability argument. All google hits for name in quotes appear to be for sites she's affiliated with or wikipedia mirrors. While I think she'll get there, she doesn't pass WP:Bio at this time.Horrorshowj 23:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)