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*'''Delete''' - per nomination. The 9 cases mentioned in the article are too few to merit an article in Wikipedia, and some of the people mentioned were not [[Conviction|conviced]] for sex-abuse (e.g. [http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Nov23/0,4670,OrthodoxAbuse,00.html Yehuda Kolko], Lipa Margulies). Apart from this, just a very brief check up on the [[User:ADM|article's creator]] reveals a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ADM/Archive_1&oldid=273006902 disruptive] and apparent [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive511#User:ADM_a_Single-purpose_account.3F single-purpose editor] who is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AReuters&diff=267381816&oldid=248225326 biased against the Jews], and thus it appears as if he has, the way [[User:Avraham|Avi]] puts it, created this article merely to provoke. [[User:Amsaim|Amsaim]] ([[User talk:Amsaim|talk]]) 17:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - per nomination. The 9 cases mentioned in the article are too few to merit an article in Wikipedia, and some of the people mentioned were not [[Conviction|conviced]] for sex-abuse (e.g. [http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Nov23/0,4670,OrthodoxAbuse,00.html Yehuda Kolko], Lipa Margulies). Apart from this, just a very brief check up on the [[User:ADM|article's creator]] reveals a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ADM/Archive_1&oldid=273006902 disruptive] and apparent [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive511#User:ADM_a_Single-purpose_account.3F single-purpose editor] who is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AReuters&diff=267381816&oldid=248225326 biased against the Jews], and thus it appears as if he has, the way [[User:Avraham|Avi]] puts it, created this article merely to provoke. [[User:Amsaim|Amsaim]] ([[User talk:Amsaim|talk]]) 17:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - per nom and Boing. WP:SYNTH. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 19:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - per nom and Boing. WP:SYNTH. --[[User:Shuki|Shuki]] ([[User talk:Shuki|talk]]) 19:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' - most of the ''Delete'' votes are by Jewish partisans and zealots, therefore they have a conflict of interest and their votes should be discounted. This has been in the public domain for a long time, it is wiedly acknowledged in respectibe communities and should absolutely not be censored for biased motives. [[User:ADM|ADM]] ([[User talk:ADM|talk]]) 20:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Jewish sex abuse cases
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Delete - Unlike the Catholic case, which was treated as a single issue concerning the reaction of the Catholic church to various accusations, this article is a collection of various unrelated cases lumped together for what seems to be prurient and provactive purposes. Notable cases are already discussed in the articles of the people involved. Wikipedia is NOT theawarenesscenter, which has in the past been considered a non-reliable source, and this can be a BLP disaster to boot. Individual cases, if notable, should be handled as they are now, in the articles about their protagonists, and non-notable cases should be removed forthwith. The implication that there is a relationship between the cases is incorrect, unlike the other article, mentioned as "somewhat" similar. Avi (talk) 06:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. —Avi (talk) 06:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete, WP:POINT. If anything, this article shows how rare sexual abuse is in the Jewish community. The parallel article about the Catholic church discusses an endemic phenomenon; this article is just a shopping list of isolated cases, which is unencyclopedic. JFW | T@lk 07:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete as per nomination. (I'll preface my remarks by saying that this is a topic that can easily be a case of "I don't like it" or "I do like it" so I am consciously trying to avoid such arguments.) As pointed out in the nom, there is no commonality tying these people together other than their ethnic identity as Jews. The article also does not establish "Jewish sexual abuse" as different from any other type of sexual abuse.
This seems to be a violation of WP:FORK by trying to create an image of a large phenomenon where there is only individual actions. This impression is reinforced by closing the list of offenders with a list of watchdog organizations.
Any information that is here should be in the individual articles. At most there should be a category of "Sex offenders" and a category of "Sex crimes watchdog groups". Joe407 (talk) 08:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC) - Delete: Seems to be a list of cases of sexual abuse by people who just happen to be Jewish, which doesn't seem any more notable to me than, say, "Sex abuse cases by tall people" would be. The Catholic church article, by contrast, is about alleged systemic cover-up by the church hierarchy, which makes it more than the sum of the individual cases. -- Boing! said Zebedee 13:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep The commonality is not simply that the abusers were Jewish, but that they were teachers, school officials or Rabbis, who were convicted of or pled guilty to having while in positions of trust, authority and responsibility, sexually abused children. The incidents are referenced in reliable and independent newspapers. The article also notes organizations set up to deal with the problem. Edison (talk) 15:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- For teachers and school officials, I don't think it's their religion that is the notable issue though - I would have thought the fact they happen to be Jewish teachers and school officials is incidental -- Boing! said Zebedee 16:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - per nomination. The 9 cases mentioned in the article are too few to merit an article in Wikipedia, and some of the people mentioned were not conviced for sex-abuse (e.g. Yehuda Kolko, Lipa Margulies). Apart from this, just a very brief check up on the article's creator reveals a disruptive and apparent single-purpose editor who is biased against the Jews, and thus it appears as if he has, the way Avi puts it, created this article merely to provoke. Amsaim (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom and Boing. WP:SYNTH. --Shuki (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep - most of the Delete votes are by Jewish partisans and zealots, therefore they have a conflict of interest and their votes should be discounted. This has been in the public domain for a long time, it is wiedly acknowledged in respectibe communities and should absolutely not be censored for biased motives. ADM (talk) 20:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)