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:#{{cite news |last=McFeely |first=Dan |date=2011-03-20 |title=Genius at work: 12-year-old is studying at IUPUI |url=http://www.indystar.com/article/20110320/LOCAL01/103200369/Genius-work-12-year-old-studying-IUPUI |newspaper=[[The Indianapolis Star]] |accessdate=2014-06-28 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6Qf4aspqn |archivedate=2014-06-28 }} |
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:#{{cite news |last=Castillo |first=Michelle |date=2011-03-26 |title=12-Year-Old Genius Expands Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, Thinks He Can Prove It Wrong |url=http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/26/12-year-old-genius-expands-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/ |newspaper=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |accessdate=2014-06-28 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6Qf4c48QT |archivedate=2014-06-28 }} |
:#{{cite news |last=Castillo |first=Michelle |date=2011-03-26 |title=12-Year-Old Genius Expands Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, Thinks He Can Prove It Wrong |url=http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/26/12-year-old-genius-expands-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/ |newspaper=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |accessdate=2014-06-28 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6Qf4c48QT |archivedate=2014-06-28 }} |
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:#{{cite book |last1=Ruthsatz |first1=Joanne |last2=Stephens |first2=Kimberly |date=2016 |title=The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=4stJBgAAQBAJ |location=New York |publisher=[[Penguin Random House]] |pages=99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213 |isbn=0698168607 |accessdate=2016-11-15 }} |
:#{{cite book |last1=Ruthsatz |first1=Joanne |last2=Stephens |first2=Kimberly |date=2016 |title=The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=4stJBgAAQBAJ |location=New York |publisher=[[Penguin Random House]] |pages=99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213 |isbn=0698168607 |accessdate=2016-11-15 }} |
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:#{{cite news |last=Andrews |first=Avital |date=2017-05-19 |title=Jacob Barnett's Curious and Computational Mind |url=https://psmag.com/magazine/jacob-barnett-30-under-30 |newspaper=[[Pacific Standard]] |accessdate=2017-06-16 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6rFy1c7z7 |archivedate=2017-06-16 }} |
:#{{cite news |last=Andrews |first=Avital |date=2017-05-19 |title=Jacob Barnett's Curious and Computational Mind |url=https://psmag.com/magazine/jacob-barnett-30-under-30 |newspaper=[[Pacific Standard]] |accessdate=2017-06-16 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6rFy1c7z7 |archivedate=2017-06-16 }} |
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[[WP:PROF]], which redirects to [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)]], is cited in the nomination statement and by one of the delete votes. [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria]] states that "Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions ''may'' still be notable if they meet the conditions of [[WP:BIO]] or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]]."<p>[[WP:BIO]] redirects to [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)]]. [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria]] states that "A [[person]] is presumed to be '''notable''' if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published [[Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources|secondary sources]] which are [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable]], intellectually independent of each other, and [[WP:Independent sources|independent of the subject]]."<p>The sources cited above are sufficient for Jacob Barnett to pass [[Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline]], which requires "significant coverage in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject". Therefore, the subject is notable and this article should be kept.<p>[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 19:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)</li></ul> |
[[WP:PROF]], which redirects to [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)]], is cited in the nomination statement and by one of the delete votes. [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria]] states that "Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions ''may'' still be notable if they meet the conditions of [[WP:BIO]] or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]]."<p>[[WP:BIO]] redirects to [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)]]. [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria]] states that "A [[person]] is presumed to be '''notable''' if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published [[Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources|secondary sources]] which are [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable]], intellectually independent of each other, and [[WP:Independent sources|independent of the subject]]."<p>The sources cited above are sufficient for Jacob Barnett to pass [[Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline]], which requires "significant coverage in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject". Therefore, the subject is notable and this article should be kept.<p>[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 19:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)</li></ul> |
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*'''Book source that demonstrates [[WP:NOTNEWS]] does not apply.'''<p>{{cite book |last1=Ruthsatz |first1=Joanne |last2=Stephens |first2=Kimberly |date=2016 |title=The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=4stJBgAAQBAJ |location=New York |publisher=[[Penguin Random House]] |pages=99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213 |isbn=0698168607 |accessdate=2016-11-15 }}<p>From the index: <blockquote>Barnett, Jacob, 99–111, 169, 171, 203<p>⇨ Asperger's disorder diagnosis of, 102<p>⇨ autism of, 30, 102, 110–11<p>⇨ birth of, 99<p>⇨ in college, 212–13<p>⇨ media attention to, 113-14<p>⇨ synesthesia of, 111, 112<p>⇨ TEDxTeen talk of, 213<p>⇨ training the talent, 181, 192<p>⇨ turnaround of, 30</blockquote> The book notes: <blockquote>'''Jacob Barnett'''<br><br>Jacob reveled in every aspect of college. He loved his classes. He liked getting to know the other students and even tutored some of them: the only prerequisite was that they bring spoons to partake in the giant tubs of peanut butter he brought along to snack on during study sessions.<p>After his freshman year, he worked as a paid research assistant in quantum physics at IUPI as part of an undergraduate program; during this time, he tackled a previously unsolved math problem. Afterward, he and his mentor coauthored a paper that was published in a noted, peer-reviewed physics journal. It's titled "Origin of Maximal Symmetry Breaking in Even PT-Symmetric Lattices."<p>At fifteen, he enrolled at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Ontario. The Barnetts sold their home in Indiana and moved to Canada, and Jacob is now a Ph.D. candidate. His TEDxTeen talk, "Forget What You Know," in which he urges listeners to stop learning and start thinking and creating, has been viewed more than six million times.</blockquote> This provides extensive biographical background about Jacob Barnett's secondary and postsecondary experiences and accomplishments and can be used to expand the article.<p>The book also notes: <blockquote>...<p>Jacob's synesthesia memory boost is associated with numbers. When Jacob thinks about a number (say, 3), he doesn't just picture the numeral; he perceives it as having a specific color (like red) and a specific shape (like a triangle). As Jacob once put it during a conversation with a reporter, "Every number or math problem I ever hear, I have permanently remembered." But he has trouble remembering smells and conversations.</blockquote> The book then notes: <blockquote>In 2011, a reporter from a small Indiana newspaper wrote a story about Jacob. Two months later, the ''Indianapolis Star'' published a lengthy profile on the twelve-year-old scientist who was trying to disprove the big bang theory, and that story got picked up by a wire service. Word of the whiz kid was rehashed in print and plastered all over the Internet. The full weight of the media crashed down on the Barnett household.<p>...<p>It was in the midst of this media frenzy that Joanne contacted the Barnetts about her research. Kristine was skeptical. "At first I sort of thought, well, I don't know about that," she recalled. But then Joanne asked if Jacob might like to go to Cedar Point, a Sandusky, Ohio, amusement park jammed with roller coasters. The Barnetts packed their kids into the car and began the five-hour drive to Sandusky, eager to talk to someone who might provide a new perspective on the child who couldn't get enough theoretical physics.<p>The Barnetts also consented to one more interview. They had been approached by ''60 Minutes'', and convinced that the reporters and producers there would do a thoughtful piece, the Barnetts said yes. They pointed them to Joanne as a prodigy expert.<p>[several more paragraphs about Jacob Barnett]</blockquote> The book chronicles how Jacob Barnett received substantial attention: from a small local Indiana newspaper to the ''[[Indianapolis Star]]'', to a wire service, to [[Glenn Beck]] to ''[[60 Minutes]]'' to being contacted by the book's coauthor, Joanne Ruthsatz.<p>[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 19:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Book source that demonstrates [[WP:NOTNEWS]] does not apply.'''{{ctop|Books}}<p>{{cite book |last1=Ruthsatz |first1=Joanne |last2=Stephens |first2=Kimberly |date=2016 |title=The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=4stJBgAAQBAJ |location=New York |publisher=[[Penguin Random House]] |pages=99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213 |isbn=0698168607 |accessdate=2016-11-15 }}<p>From the index: <blockquote>Barnett, Jacob, 99–111, 169, 171, 203<p>⇨ Asperger's disorder diagnosis of, 102<p>⇨ autism of, 30, 102, 110–11<p>⇨ birth of, 99<p>⇨ in college, 212–13<p>⇨ media attention to, 113-14<p>⇨ synesthesia of, 111, 112<p>⇨ TEDxTeen talk of, 213<p>⇨ training the talent, 181, 192<p>⇨ turnaround of, 30</blockquote> The book notes: <blockquote>'''Jacob Barnett'''<br><br>Jacob reveled in every aspect of college. He loved his classes. He liked getting to know the other students and even tutored some of them: the only prerequisite was that they bring spoons to partake in the giant tubs of peanut butter he brought along to snack on during study sessions.<p>After his freshman year, he worked as a paid research assistant in quantum physics at IUPI as part of an undergraduate program; during this time, he tackled a previously unsolved math problem. Afterward, he and his mentor coauthored a paper that was published in a noted, peer-reviewed physics journal. It's titled "Origin of Maximal Symmetry Breaking in Even PT-Symmetric Lattices."<p>At fifteen, he enrolled at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Ontario. The Barnetts sold their home in Indiana and moved to Canada, and Jacob is now a Ph.D. candidate. His TEDxTeen talk, "Forget What You Know," in which he urges listeners to stop learning and start thinking and creating, has been viewed more than six million times.</blockquote> This provides extensive biographical background about Jacob Barnett's secondary and postsecondary experiences and accomplishments and can be used to expand the article.<p>The book also notes: <blockquote>...<p>Jacob's synesthesia memory boost is associated with numbers. When Jacob thinks about a number (say, 3), he doesn't just picture the numeral; he perceives it as having a specific color (like red) and a specific shape (like a triangle). As Jacob once put it during a conversation with a reporter, "Every number or math problem I ever hear, I have permanently remembered." But he has trouble remembering smells and conversations.</blockquote> The book then notes: <blockquote>In 2011, a reporter from a small Indiana newspaper wrote a story about Jacob. Two months later, the ''Indianapolis Star'' published a lengthy profile on the twelve-year-old scientist who was trying to disprove the big bang theory, and that story got picked up by a wire service. Word of the whiz kid was rehashed in print and plastered all over the Internet. The full weight of the media crashed down on the Barnett household.<p>...<p>It was in the midst of this media frenzy that Joanne contacted the Barnetts about her research. Kristine was skeptical. "At first I sort of thought, well, I don't know about that," she recalled. But then Joanne asked if Jacob might like to go to Cedar Point, a Sandusky, Ohio, amusement park jammed with roller coasters. The Barnetts packed their kids into the car and began the five-hour drive to Sandusky, eager to talk to someone who might provide a new perspective on the child who couldn't get enough theoretical physics.<p>The Barnetts also consented to one more interview. They had been approached by ''60 Minutes'', and convinced that the reporters and producers there would do a thoughtful piece, the Barnetts said yes. They pointed them to Joanne as a prodigy expert.<p>[several more paragraphs about Jacob Barnett]</blockquote> The book chronicles how Jacob Barnett received substantial attention: from a small local Indiana newspaper to the ''[[Indianapolis Star]]'', to a wire service, to [[Glenn Beck]] to ''[[60 Minutes]]'' to being contacted by the book's coauthor, Joanne Ruthsatz.<p>{{cbot}}[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 19:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Jacob Barnett
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Egregious puffery and BLP violations that appear to be unrepairable after discussion on the talk page. A collection of lies about a 12 year old in the media does not make a person notable, and there is no other claim to notability. This has been deleted once, and (barely) survived two other AfDs. Power~enwiki (talk) 18:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Sławomir Biały (talk) 18:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Sławomir Biały (talk) 18:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete for all the same reasons I voted delete in the three previous AfDs: although there is plenty of media coverage, it consists entirely of puffery, and much of it is verifiably false. If we have an article, the only thing we can say about the subject with any intellectual honesty is that he is known for the false claims that he would soon overthrow Einstein, in promotion of his mother's book. That is just an embarrassment to the subject, that is going to stand as an obstacle to the legitimate scholarly career he appears to be aiming towards (but has no notability for yet). He is very far from WP:PROF, so it is not possible to recenter the article to ignore the media circus and only discuss his academic activities; an article alone those lines would invite an immediate A7 deletion, because he has no claim of significance as a researcher yet. Better to have no article at all. That all said, I expect this article to be kept, just as it has in two of the three previous deletion discussions, by the legions of editors who see the many high-profile sources about the subject but do not put any critical thinking towards the quality of those sources. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep
Sources (ordered chronologically):
- He was interviewed on the Glenn Beck Program on Fox News on March 30, 2011. See http://video.foxnews.com/v/4616857/beck-12-year-old-child-prodigy-aims-high/.
- He was profiled in 60 Minutes, which is broadcast on the CBS television network on January 17, 2012. See http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jake-math-prodigy-proud-of-his-autism/
- He was interviewed by the BBC on May 10, 2013. See http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22477958.
- He was interviewed on Katie by Katie Couric on May 30, 2013. See http://katiecouric.com/2013/05/30/living-with-autism/.
- He was interviewed by CTV News on October 1, 2013. See http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/15-year-old-jacob-barnett-one-of-the-world-s-most-promising-physicists-1.1479602.
- The sources span from March 2011 to May 2017.
- The sources include a 2016 Penguin Random House–published book, The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent, that covers Jacob Barnett on pages 99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213.
- The sources are international.
- The Independent, The Times, and The Spectator are from Britain.
- CBC News, CTV News, Maclean's, and the Waterloo Region Record are from Canada.
- es:El Definido is from Chile.
- Agenzia Nazionale Stampa Associata, IO Donna, and The Huffington Post (Italy) are from Italy.
- RTL Television is from Germany.
- ABC News, The Indianapolis Star, Pacific Standard, and Time magazine are from the United States.
- vi:Zing is from Vietnam.
WP:PROF, which redirects to Wikipedia:Notability (academics), is cited in the nomination statement and by one of the delete votes. Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria states that "Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions may still be notable if they meet the conditions of WP:BIO or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable."
WP:BIO redirects to Wikipedia:Notability (people). Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria states that "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."
The sources cited above are sufficient for Jacob Barnett to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Therefore, the subject is notable and this article should be kept.
- Book source that demonstrates WP:NOTNEWS does not apply.
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Ruthsatz, Joanne; Stephens, Kimberly (2016). The Prodigy's Cousin: The Family Link Between Autism and Extraordinary Talent. New York: Penguin Random House. pp. 99–111, 169, 171, 203, and 212–213. ISBN 0698168607. Retrieved 2016-11-15. From the index: The book notes: This provides extensive biographical background about Jacob Barnett's secondary and postsecondary experiences and accomplishments and can be used to expand the article. The book also notes: The book then notes: The book chronicles how Jacob Barnett received substantial attention: from a small local Indiana newspaper to the Indianapolis Star, to a wire service, to Glenn Beck to 60 Minutes to being contacted by the book's coauthor, Joanne Ruthsatz. |