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:: {{Ping|Doncram}} It seems that you need to be reminded that [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive132#Doncram|you were warned]] {{tq|"not to approach discussions confrontatively [sic]... not to comment on contributors rather than content, and not to assume bad faith."}}; and that [[User:Gatoclass]] similarly told you: "{{tq|"you are hereby reminded that comments on contributor rather than content may result in the imposition of sanctions"}}. Yet you continue, despite being told otherwise, repeatedly to falsely assert that I have motives which are alien to me. Your posting about this nomination at other nominations, and vice versa, also consitutes [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]], about which you have also been previously warned. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
:: {{Ping|Doncram}} It seems that you need to be reminded that [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive132#Doncram|you were warned]] {{tq|"not to approach discussions confrontatively [sic]... not to comment on contributors rather than content, and not to assume bad faith."}}; and that [[User:Gatoclass]] similarly told you: "{{tq|"you are hereby reminded that comments on contributor rather than content may result in the imposition of sanctions"}}. Yet you continue, despite being told otherwise, repeatedly to falsely assert that I have motives which are alien to me. Your posting about this nomination at other nominations, and vice versa, also consitutes [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]], about which you have also been previously warned. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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:::Please discuss accusations of canvassing and other (I disagree), at Pigsonthewing's similar accusation at my Talk page. --[[User:doncram|<font color="maroon">do</font>]][[User talk:Doncram|<font color="green">ncr</font>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<font color="maroon">am</font>]] 15:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
:::Please discuss accusations of canvassing and other (I disagree), at Pigsonthewing's similar accusation at my Talk page. --[[User:doncram|<font color="maroon">do</font>]][[User talk:Doncram|<font color="green">ncr</font>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<font color="maroon">am</font>]] 15:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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:This [http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/manning-named-jackson-nationalr-president-and-ceo-74163227.html 2002 profile of Clark P. Manning, Jr., at his appointment to CEO of Jackson and to board of Prudential] provides details of his education, involvement in actuarial science, and more. It's a PR newswire item, so I don't mean it establishes notability independently, but it is reliable for facts to include in the article. The "Clark P. Manning, Jr." name is what appears in SEC filings and legal documents, in the searches. |
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:Also, listed as Clark Preston Manning, he was Sr. Vice President at [[Sunamerica, Inc.]], life insurance company based in NYC, according to Dun & Bradstreet's Million Dollar Profile [https://books.google.com/books?id=w60UAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Clark+Preston+Manning%22&dq=%22Clark+Preston+Manning%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NAjJVO71JsfIsATjzICwBw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBg Google book snippet here]. |
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:I think the sources provided by editor Lady Lotus and these are adding up to substantial coverage, although I acknowledge others can disagree. It's definitely not "one event" coverage, though, and i think it adds up. I'll add some to the article next. --[[User:doncram|<font color="maroon">do</font>]][[User talk:Doncram|<font color="green">ncr</font>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<font color="maroon">am</font>]] 16:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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Clark Manning
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No evidence of notability.
Note: My proposal for speedy deletion as CSD A7 ("an article about a real person that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject") was reverted with an edit summery of "rm Speedy deletion request with false statement of purpose. Real reason appears to be to remove the infobox". That claim is bogus. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: Related AFDs, with similar nomination assertions, and prod removals, involving direct calls to {{infobox}} are:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boss of the Pool, Australian play
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boy Overboard , Australian play
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark Manning
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lord Abbett (closed keep)
- --doncram 04:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Two of the four articles listed in the above canvassing use {{infobox book}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Yes the two Australian play articles use {{infobox book}}; Pigsonthewing's way to them was via another article by same creator that used {{infobox}}, as I already noted at their AFDs (and Pigsonthewing does not disagree). Please discuss accusations of canvassing (I disagree), at Pigsonthewing's similar accusation at my Talk page. --doncram 15:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Two of the four articles listed in the above canvassing use {{infobox book}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I found these references The Guardian, Business Wire, Business Week, Forbes, and The Telegraph. Meets WP:GNG. Article does need work but article content doesn't determine notability. LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:ONEEVENT. Forbes and a couple other similar profiles notwithstanding, I've not found any coverage that's not about his leaving Prudential. Alakzi (talk) 14:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 16:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 16:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 16:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Lady Lotus. Even though the article needs expansion, it definitely meets WP:GNG, as illustrated by the subject's references in secondary sources. These references should be incorporated into the article to clean it up. BenLinus1214talk 01:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete for failing GNG. All there is really is an announcement that he was stepping down as CEO of Jackson National Life. The same announcement in three different publications doesn't somehow add to the notability. There's not enough to construct an article. Also, I strongly suspect from prior experience that Forbes bios are submitted by people related to the subject, and are therefore useless as sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Note the article appears to be targeted for its using {{Infobox}}. The deletion nomination shows no evidence of performing wp:BEFORE; the nom spends more time/text complaining about removal of the prod, which was by me. It's not "bogus" to point out the apparent purpose of removing infoboxes the nom does not like. The nom was indeed working from this worklist of articles having "direct calls" to infobox template. I note related AFDs above.
- Clark Manning is apparently also known as Clark Preston Manning, or Clark P. Manning, Jr., so try also:
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
- There's this more recent Bloomberg profile about him
- He is this person, with birth and wife info], consistent with age in that profile.
- There is [1] (if i typed that correctly, or if not Google "Record of Society of Actuaries Clark Manning" to get it), a 20 page publication he wrote based on a panel discussion that he moderated, on valuation law changing. Probably more activity among actuaries.
- Though I don't feel hugely strongly about it, I think keeping and developing is best. Focusing a lot of editor attention on an article because it uses a certain infobox seems crazy. --doncram 04:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Doncram: It seems that you need to be reminded that you were warned
"not to approach discussions confrontatively [sic]... not to comment on contributors rather than content, and not to assume bad faith."
; and that User:Gatoclass similarly told you: ""you are hereby reminded that comments on contributor rather than content may result in the imposition of sanctions"
. Yet you continue, despite being told otherwise, repeatedly to falsely assert that I have motives which are alien to me. Your posting about this nomination at other nominations, and vice versa, also consitutes canvassing, about which you have also been previously warned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Doncram: It seems that you need to be reminded that you were warned
- This 2002 profile of Clark P. Manning, Jr., at his appointment to CEO of Jackson and to board of Prudential provides details of his education, involvement in actuarial science, and more. It's a PR newswire item, so I don't mean it establishes notability independently, but it is reliable for facts to include in the article. The "Clark P. Manning, Jr." name is what appears in SEC filings and legal documents, in the searches.
- Also, listed as Clark Preston Manning, he was Sr. Vice President at Sunamerica, Inc., life insurance company based in NYC, according to Dun & Bradstreet's Million Dollar Profile Google book snippet here.
- I think the sources provided by editor Lady Lotus and these are adding up to substantial coverage, although I acknowledge others can disagree. It's definitely not "one event" coverage, though, and i think it adds up. I'll add some to the article next. --doncram 16:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)