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:So Reading should be ahead of QPR. But the EFL, Sky Sports, and BBC all have QPR in first, since QPR comes before Reading alphabetically. Google, Goal, and Soccerway correctly have Reading first and QPR 2nd. Those three sources also have the teams who won 1–0 in the correct order (i.e. the teams that scored an away goal [Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, and Swansea] are listed first [ahead of Birmingham and Watford]), whereas the sources you gave just list them alphabetically (Birmingham, Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, Swansea, Watford). [[User:Bmf 051|Bmf 051]] ([[User talk:Bmf 051#top|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC) |
:So Reading should be ahead of QPR. But the EFL, Sky Sports, and BBC all have QPR in first, since QPR comes before Reading alphabetically. Google, Goal, and Soccerway correctly have Reading first and QPR 2nd. Those three sources also have the teams who won 1–0 in the correct order (i.e. the teams that scored an away goal [Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, and Swansea] are listed first [ahead of Birmingham and Watford]), whereas the sources you gave just list them alphabetically (Birmingham, Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, Swansea, Watford). [[User:Bmf 051|Bmf 051]] ([[User talk:Bmf 051#top|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Stage Hypnosis == |
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Hi. Just checking on something. Where is the policy that one has to gather consensus on the talk page to remove content that is *not* sourced except to impossible to verify self-published courses? You've twice said that it's "sourced" content - it's not, except to sources that for all intents and purposes do not exist. [[Special:Contributions/87.228.210.13|87.228.210.13]] ([[User talk:87.228.210.13|talk]]) 13:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Please add a header next time
have you checked the edit’s comment at all before arbitrarily removing it? petrosian was armenian, not russian. the article lists his russified patronym, which is a) factually wrong and b) culturally ignorant.
if you need a reliable source that he was armenian, just check the article and the references:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Petrosian#cite_note-1973CLR-1 https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8F%D5%AB%D5%A3%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6_%D5%8A%D5%A5%D5%BF%D6%80%D5%B8%D5%BD%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%B6#cite_note-_f3139c01441189e7-1
tired of these ownership moves under the guise of »reliable sources«.
- I'm not asking for a source that he was Armenian. You need to provide a source that that was his patronym. Bmf 051 (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Also, I'm confused of how you can accuse me of WP:OWN when I've only edited the article once. Bmf 051 (talk) 09:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Big Comfy Couch
Lmfaooo loss of editing privileges... I’m an IP address. I can do this all day every day. Remember the months long attack on this page back in 2017? Multiple times a day from multiple accounts every single day for weeks and weeks. I’m back 😊. You can’t block an anonymous user. I just refresh my IP and keep going. Good luck, my friend.
check the page's edit history... it's all there. I changed Loonette to Loonetta and couch to sofa over and over and over,among other things. ok well let's do this... i will let everyone thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.177.195 (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, whatever. Thanks for letting me know this page is persistently vandalized. There's plenty that can be done to stop it. Bmf 051 (talk) 08:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
comment re 1924 palace law of succession
not sure what source you would like me to provide as this is a matter of definition - the thai constitution articles referring to princess succeeding is translated from Thai as "princess" - but in that พระราชธิดา specifically means "daughter of monarch" if you look at the thai wikipedia pages, you will see that chulabhorn is พระราชธิดา as she was daughter of rama ix, her daughter is referred to as พระธิดา i.e. princess (not higher princess, daughter of monarch) so chulabhorn's daughters should not be in the line of succession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.115.195.112 (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- All information of Wikipedia needs to be sourced (and no, other versions of Wikipedia do not count as sources). It is your job to find an appropriate source as the person adding or removing content. It's not just a matter of what's correct, but what's reliably sourced. Bmf 051 (talk) 19:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Also, the fact that your edit summary says that this information is "likely" true is a dead giveaway that this is WP:OR. Bmf 051 (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Deletion of revision history
hello, can you help me to delete the revision history on the page "Dion Chen". It's the one that has ip address on it. I accidentally changed the content since I thought it is inappriopriate, however it was denied right after, exposing my ip address. Can you help me to delete the Revision history thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortimerch19 (talk • contribs) 10:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I am not an admin, so I couldn't do this if I wanted to. Also, I don't think an admin will help you do this either. They can delete the revision itself, but it will still show your IP address. Bmf 051 (talk) 10:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add a new header next time
I keep getting blocked despite the fact that I have made good edits. For example on the topic of the President of South Korea it stated that they were the head of state and head of government of the Korean Armed Forces when in fact it should say he was the head of state and government of South Korea. Please be more respectful to me to if you wish for me to be respectful. I have faced a lot of hate from DrKay for no reason. If I make contributions you should please at least be kind and not quick to judge.
Thanks.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.162.122 (talk) 09:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you are going to delete entire sourced paragraphs from an article, you need to explain why in you edit summary. It's as simple as that. Bmf 051 (talk) 17:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Abuse of noticeboards
Do not slander edits as vandalism when they are not. 51.7.229.251 (talk) 23:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Your edits are clearly disruptive, and your initial explanation was vague. The problem isn't that you didn't provide an explanation, it's that it wasn't a sufficient reason to remove sourced content. If you think the content should be removed, you need to discuss in on the talk page. Regardless, your personal attacks are more than enough to get you blocked. It is perfectly reasonable for me to use the noticeboards to report your behavior. Bmf 051 (talk) 23:40, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Pictures on the Wikipedia page of Jahannam
Dear Bmf 051, I see that you have removed the edit I made on the page, perhaps I did not explain myself correctly. Let me start by saying that I greatly appreciate and respect the commitment to keep Wikipedia neutral and censor-free. That being said, Wikipedia itself states that "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." There are a million pictures that depict Jahannam in an informative and neutral way, yet the two pictures on the page involve the Prophet Muhammed and other characters which when depicted in art is seen as offensive to Muslims. These characters have no reason of being in picture as they are not directly related to the picture describing Jahannam. I would be more understanding if those pictures were the only options but as I stated before, there are many pictures that depict "Jahannam" in an informative and neutral way without the addition of offending the viewers of the page. Thank you so much for reaching out and I truly hope that you are understanding in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noshirkallowed (talk • contribs) 17:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Noshirkallowed: WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is an invalid argument for removing images. You may also want to read Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. And I disagree that these pictures are not directly related to Jahannam, as the section in which they appear discusses depictions of Jahannam in Hadith literature. And again, the fact that some will find the images offensive for religious reasons is irrelevant due to WP:NOTCENSORED. "Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia." Removing content because it may offend some is the exact opposite of neutral. Keeping the content and allowing the user themselves to choose whether to hide or show images (e.g. by following Help:Options to hide an image) is impartial. In short: if you don't like the images, don't look at them. Bmf 051 (talk) 18:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Shaddap You Face
Hi Bmf 051. You have removed my revisions due to my not citing sources. I am the creator and performer of this song and my source is myself. There is inaccurate information on this website that I have corrected. Please restore the corrections. Thank you, Joe Dolce, Dolceamore Music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.59.40 (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- If it were true that you are this person (which it isn't) then you'd be violating WP:COI and WP:OR. So please consider that. Bmf 051 (talk) 22:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I guess I am guilty of violating WP:OR then because I am indeed the artist and creator of the song and I paid for it myself so the information is incorrect and misleading. (Here is my website: joedolce.net and my email: dolcej@yahoo.com for further corresponence.) eg. In the very first paragraph you cite Mike Brady as having financed the recording which is totally wrong. Mike is my good friend by the way and the completed recording was assigned to him, by me, after it was recorded and paid for only for him to market.
I did not know that there was a conflict of interest for me to be editing my own wiki pages as have been doing it for the past decade without any problem. In fact, most of the information on the Shaddap You Face site and my own personal wiki site has been put there by me so I guess you might as well take the whole thing down if you have a problem with this. My only intention is to keep my pages up to date and accurate so any help you can give me on how to do this within the parameters of what is acceptable would be appreciated. Joe Dolce — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.59.40 (talk) 22:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Regardless of who you are, you need to cite sources for adding information. But if you are who you say you are, you need to report it. Bmf 051 (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Ok. That is helpful and I will familiarize myself a little more with the WP:COI and WP:OR better before effecting any further changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.59.40 (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Lance 'n' Masque
Sorry for your troublesome. Some of the citation seem to be replaced better source, so I erased one of them. However, with your request, it is not suitable for any change of source without further notice towards other users. Honestly speaking, this would be one of my mistaken article change. 211.237.125.110 (talk) 14:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Notability is not the standard for inclusion in embedded lists
You've recently made several edits that remove material from lists embedded in articles with edit summaries saying "...If this person was notable enough to be included here, he'd be list in <related list article> and also have his own article." This is a friendly reminder that notability only applies for the subject of an article; it does not apply to the contents of an article. WP:LISTBIO is the guideline for embedded lists and it was rewritten a few years to make it clear that notability is not the standard applied for inclusion in embedded lists. (However, your other point of "we can't include everyone in this article" is a valid one so your edits are still fine.) ElKevbo (talk) 23:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- These are not a just simple embedded lists. These are specifically sections containing lists of notable people (hence the word "notable" in the section titles). That is to say the list Alabama A&M#Notable people is less like List of Alabama A&M people and more like List of notable Wikipedians. The former may include people who aren't notable enough to be the subject of an article, but the latter is implicitly people who are notable by the standard set by WP:NOTABILITY (hence the word "notable" in the title). If the list on Alabama A&M simply said "Famous Alumni", I would agree with you. But it says "Notable people". If a page had a list called "List of Wikipedia articles with one-letter titles", would it make sense to have either red links or articles with more than one-letter titles? No, because a stricter standard for inclusion is set by the section title. Bmf 051 (talk) 17:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- No, "embedded lists" are simply those lists that are in articles; they're distinguished only from "list articles." And we most certainly do not mean "notable in the Wikipedia sense" every time we use the word "notable" in an article. If you think that readers or editors might be confused about this, you're welcome to propose alternatives or make changes (I've seen and used "noteworthy" in Talk page discussions to avoid this confusion). ElKevbo (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree. If you're saying I broke a rule but still improved the encyclopedia in the process, then you're welcome. I'll continue to do it this way then. Bmf 051 (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- No, "embedded lists" are simply those lists that are in articles; they're distinguished only from "list articles." And we most certainly do not mean "notable in the Wikipedia sense" every time we use the word "notable" in an article. If you think that readers or editors might be confused about this, you're welcome to propose alternatives or make changes (I've seen and used "noteworthy" in Talk page discussions to avoid this confusion). ElKevbo (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I would like clarity. What can be done, where can I add his information? I would like to add him as a notable alumnus as he is a president of a university. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbell322 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- These "Notable people" sections are essentially summaries of the articles List of Alabama A&M people and List of Howard University people. These sections are kind of like Mount Rushmore and the articles are like all 45 U.S. presidents. That is, the sections contain some of the more notable (but not necessarily the most notable) people, and are generally limited in size. You can't put every U.S. President on Mount Rushmore. You have to draw the line somewhere, in terms of who is included and how many people are included in total.
- My reason for saying that this person should not be added is that:
- These sections are already big enough, and maybe even too big.
- The people already listed in these sections seemed (to me) to be more notable than the person you want to add.
- I suspect that even if I had not removed him from these lists, someone else would have for the same reasons that I did. If you would like to add this person to either page, I would recommend starting a conversation on Talk:Alabama A&M University and Talk:Howard University. I am personally not that familiar with the alumni of either university, so you may get a different answer from someone who is. But just keep in mind, it is not just a question of notability, but also a question of list size. That is, don't just ask "is this person notable enough to include in this section?", but rather "is this person notable enough to make this list (which is already too big) even bigger?" or "is this person notable enough to replace this other person who is currently listed?" Bmf 051 (talk) 23:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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The New Mutants
Your comment: "Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to The New Mutants (film). Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia."
It is not "my own point of view". This is what Bob McLeod said: "I was disappointed when they didn’t give Dani braids, although I like Blu Hunt. I was disappointed when Rahne wasn’t a redhead with spiky hair, although I adore Maisie Williams. I was disappointed that Sam isn’t tall and gawky, although I do like Charlie Heaton. But mainly I was very disappointed that Roberto isn’t short and dark-skinned." And I provided a link to it. 92.220.125.90 (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- You presented it as a statement of fact rather than as a direct quotation. That is what makes it non-neutral. If you want to quote someone, then quote them properly. If you want to paraphrase them, then don't copy their quote word-for-word without using quotations. Paraphrase it properly. You've done some amalgamation of quoting and paraphrasing which comes off as a statement of fact. Regardless, Metro is not a reliable source. See: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. You will need to find another source if you want to add this to the article. Bmf 051 (talk) 20:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
League tables
I'm not sure where your getting your league standings from, but please look at these and away goals do not get ranked before total goals scored.
--Skyblueshaun (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Skyblueshaun: See here:
- I'm not saying away goals are ranked before total goals (and I don't know where you are getting that from). The ranking procedure is: 1) Points; 2) Goal difference; 3) Number of goals scored; 4) Head-to-head results; 5) Wins; 6) Away goals; 7) Penalty points; 8) 12-point sending off offences.
- The references you cite are generally accurate. However, they only seem to break ties down to #3 from the ranking procedure (i.e. Number of goals scored), then after that they just list tied teams alphabetically. On the other hand, the sources I gave break ties down to #6 (i.e. Away goals). So early in the season (when tiebreakers beyond #3 actually come in to play), sources like the ones I've given are more accurate than the EFL, BBC, and Sky Sports. This is demonstrably true. Take Reading and QPR for example:
- Both have 3 points.
- Both have a goal difference of +2.
- Both score 2 goals.
- Both have 0 points head-to-head.
- Both have 1 win.
- Reading have 2 away goals, while QPR have 0.
- So Reading should be ahead of QPR. But the EFL, Sky Sports, and BBC all have QPR in first, since QPR comes before Reading alphabetically. Google, Goal, and Soccerway correctly have Reading first and QPR 2nd. Those three sources also have the teams who won 1–0 in the correct order (i.e. the teams that scored an away goal [Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, and Swansea] are listed first [ahead of Birmingham and Watford]), whereas the sources you gave just list them alphabetically (Birmingham, Luton, Norwich, Rotherham, Swansea, Watford). Bmf 051 (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Stage Hypnosis
Hi. Just checking on something. Where is the policy that one has to gather consensus on the talk page to remove content that is *not* sourced except to impossible to verify self-published courses? You've twice said that it's "sourced" content - it's not, except to sources that for all intents and purposes do not exist. 87.228.210.13 (talk) 13:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)