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::OK, Victor has stepped in to revamp the intro of the article. There is therefore no longer a reason to restore my sentences. Let's see if Drew now leaves Victor's intro intact. --[[User:Tjo3ya|Tjo3ya]] ([[User talk:Tjo3ya#top|talk]]) 08:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
::OK, Victor has stepped in to revamp the intro of the article. There is therefore no longer a reason to restore my sentences. Let's see if Drew now leaves Victor's intro intact. --[[User:Tjo3ya|Tjo3ya]] ([[User talk:Tjo3ya#top|talk]]) 08:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Pseudogapping
Hi Tj03ya, and thanks for the great article on pseudogapping! Your contributions to linguistics on Wikipedia are very much appreciated. Have you considered joining WikiProject Linguistics? It is a space for collaboration on all aspects of linguistics on Wikipedia, so if you have time it might be worth having a look around. Also, I saw that you were developing an article on this user talk page. I wanted to say that if you want, you can put any draft articles on user subpages to make the editing easier to keep track of, and to avoid people commenting on your talk page over the end of it. For example, if you wanted to develop an article on a topic called "NewGrammarTheory", you could work on it at User:Tjo3ya/NewGrammarTheory, and then when it is ready you can just move it into the main article space using the "move" function at the top of the page. This has the advantage that it keeps all of the page history together in one place, which I gather Wikipedia administrators are quite keen on. :) I see that you have already been around Wikipedia for a while, but if you have any questions, please feel free to ask, and I will do my best to help. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 05:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The Linguistic Barnstar
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I hereby award you the Linguistic Barnstar for your excellent and prolific work in the area of syntax. Your contributions are a great boon to Wikipedia, and long may they continue. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 12:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC) |
Hello Stradivarius, Thanks for your supportive comments and the acknowledgement here. I have looked at the Wiki linguistics link you provided. I may indeed join the project. Best, --Tjo3ya (talk) 21:21, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Auxiliary Verbs
Hi Tjo3ya,
I've checked out some of the changes you've been making to Auxiliary Verbs and have quite a few concerns. Primarily I am concerned that many of the views expressed are not in line with mainstream ideas within the fields of linguistics and grammar. In particular, the recent section on "light verbs" is alarming. Simply put, there is no such thing as a light verb. I see the main light verb article has only a single source. May I ask if this is original research or something from a specific genre or set of authors you're a fan of?Drew.ward (talk) 12:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Drew,
I will be in the library today and will source the article on light verbs. You have the Google, though! Google "light verb". --Tjo3ya (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Removing AfD template
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Do-support
Hello, Tjo3ya, and thank you for your edits to Do-support. While I appreciate your attempts to improve the page and make it more accessible to non-specialists, I feel like you've thrown several babies out with the proverbial bath water. First and foremost, the lead section currently does not summarize the article's content nor give a concise overview, as required by WP:LEAD. The page also feels to me like it puts too much emphasis on the examples and explanatory notes. Although I know your intent is to make the page clearer to non-linguists, I feel like you've made it look too much like a linguists' problem set, perhaps actually making it less clear and less accessible.
Unfortunately, I'm starting final exams here, and after that I will be away for several weeks, so I'm not really able to help much in the revisions for the time being. I did want to register these concerns and wish you best of luck, though. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 01:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
WikiProject Linguistics discussion
Hi there Tjo3ya. This is just to let you know that there is a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics#Possible WP:COI/WP:UNDUE? which appears to be about you. Could you comment over there so we can work out what's going on? Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 13:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Kafka
Hey, thanks for this cool tree .
Any chance you could create one for the corresponding German sentence? Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Traumen erwachte fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Ungeziefer verwandelt. They would make for a nice comparison in the Kafka article. Best regards, ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Maunus,
- I can easily produce a tree of that sentence, but there is a problem: it's too long. The tree won't fit in the drawing program nor in one horizontal section of a Wikipedia article. If you can reduce its length (using ... perhaps) by about 1/3 (i.e. 33% shorter), I will gladly produce the DG tree. Best, --Tjo3ya (talk) 20:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I was able to get the whole thing in. We were using a different drawing program when we produced the tree above. The program I am using now is Paint, which doesn't seem to work quite as well. Concerning the actual hierarchy in the tree, there are a couple of points that one can challenge, the main one being the status of the middlefield. One could, namely, make a case for attaching sich to fand instead of to verwandelt. The issue takes one into the theory of discontinuities. If you are interested you can read about it here, where you will find lots of examples from both English and German. Best, --Tjo3ya (talk) 23:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Upon second examination, the tree I just produced is simply inaccurate. The expressions sich should be a dependent of fand, not of verwandelt.
- I have just read the part of the Kafka article that discusses the differences across English and German syntax. If you would like the trees in the same format so that they can be compared easily, let me know. I can redraw both trees (English and German), so that both are complete and follow the same drawing format. But you can see how much space the full trees take up. In this regard, I need to know exactly what the trees should show (e.g. complete or not). --Tjo3ya (talk) 23:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be best if they are comparable - they might even be in a single image file with the German above the English, it is probably fine only to have the main clause from "he discovered/fand er sich" - it'll make it easier to compare, the full sentence gets too confusing I woild say. Thanks!·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
- I have just read the part of the Kafka article that discusses the differences across English and German syntax. If you would like the trees in the same format so that they can be compared easily, let me know. I can redraw both trees (English and German), so that both are complete and follow the same drawing format. But you can see how much space the full trees take up. In this regard, I need to know exactly what the trees should show (e.g. complete or not). --Tjo3ya (talk) 23:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Kafka again
Hi Maunus,
Here's the picture:
I hope that works. Let me know. --Tjo3ya (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- That's really nice! Did you decide against seeing vervandelt as dependent on "sich"?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- The confusion was due to the predicative status in seinem Bett and zu einem ungeheuren Ungeziefer verwandelt. These constituents are dependents of fand, not of verwandelt, and they serve as predications over sich. This fact is due, I believe, to the special subcategorization traits of finden. We see the same thing in English, e.g. She found him under the bed. In this example, under the bed is a dependent of found, but it is a predication over the object him. In cases where such predicative expressions are absent, the structure would be more left branching, e.g. Er hat das gestern gesagt. In this example, das and gestern can be dependents of gesagt. We know this to be the case because the whole VP can be fronted, e.g. Das gestern gesagt hat Gregor (schon). --Tjo3ya (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Do-support and the three-revert rule
Hello Tjo3ya. You and Drew.ward appear to be engaged in an edit war on the article Do-support. I understand your frustration with editing this and other language-related articles, but there is a bright-line rule called the "three revert rule" or 3RR which says that if you revert an article three or more times within twenty-four hours you will be temporarily blocked from editing. In order to deal with an editor who repeatedly reverts an article without discussion, you should report the behavior to one of the Wikipedia:Noticeboards such as Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
I am leaving a similar message on Drew.ward's user talk page. Cnilep (talk) 06:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Cnilep,
- You must certainly be aware of how Drew operates. His behavior is well documented on a number of talk pages. Did you look at the additions I made? I added three or four sentences to the introduction in the interest of providing a better overview of what is in the article. You yourself suggested that the introduction should be improved (see your note above). Your move to undo those sentences is delivering a victory to Drew. Your decision is now encouraging his counterproductive behavior.
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 13:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)