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== "Investigation" == |
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Hi, just so you know, we don't give deadlines, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACeoil&action=historysubmit&diff=461795615&oldid=461626430 as you did here], to volunteer editors asking for responses; many editors only edit on weekends; others only on weekdays. And just so you know in the future, Wikiquette isn't a place for "investigations". People respond and that's pretty much it. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 18:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC) |
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A small translation required
Hi, I am reviewing some content on the wp:en April 1961 page (16 April), where a widely-distributed part of a Spanish language speech of Fidel Castro is quoted. At present, no English translation is provided. I think I have found the most accurate Spanish version, from the Granma website:
- "Compañeros obreros y campesinos, esta es la Revolución socialista y democrática de los humildes, con los humildes y para los humildes. Y por esta Revolución de los humildes, por los humildes y para los humildes estamos dispuestos a dar la vida." http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/secciones/6to-congreso-pcc/artic-04.html and http://www.ecured.cu/index.php/Socialismo
- Two machine translations, below:
- 1. "Fellow workers and peasants, this is the socialist revolution democratic and humble, the lowly and the humble. And this revolution of the humble, by the humble and for the poor, are willing to give life."(google)
- 2. "Working companions and farmers, this is the socialist and democratic Revolution of the humble ones, with the humble ones and for the humble ones. And by this Revolution of the humble ones, the humble ones and to the humble ones we are arranged to give the life."(yahoo-babel & bing)
- I know very little Spanish, and I only have a pocket Spanish-English dictionary, but my crude interpretation is as follows: "Fellow workers and peasants, this is the socialist and democratic revolution of the humble, with the humble, and for the humble. And with this humble revolution, we wish to give a humble life to the humble."(peterwd)
- So far, I have been unable to locate a convincing English version (eg today borrowed Volker Skierka Castro biography). I would be most grateful if you can help find a reliable and uncontroversial translation that can be quoted in wp:en, or perhaps suggest a translation of your own. MTIA, PeterWD (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your speedy response; I intend to use your translation in my planned changes. PeterWD (talk) 19:31, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- Update. I amended the article as planned, but now I have found an English version (but not the Spanish) in Fernandez, Jose Ramon. 2001. Playa Giron/Bay of Pigs: Washington's First Military Defeat in the Americas, p. 56: "Companero workers and peasants, this is the socialist and democratic revolution of the working people, with the working people, and for the working people. [Applause] And for this revolution of the working people, by the working people, and for the working people we are prepared to give our lives." The publisher's note says: "This book is being published by Pathfinder simultaneously in English and Spanish. The 1961 speeches and documents included here have either been out of print or not easily accessible in either language for several decades. In English some are appearing for the first time, and all are published in new and more accurate translations. The April 16 speech by Fidel Castro has been translated into English for the first time; the April 23 report to the Cuban people on the battle of Playa Giron has been newly translated, and the May 1 speech was previously published only in an unreliable English text prepared by the U.S. government's Federal Broadcast Information Service..."
- Your comments will be welcome, to help decide whether to stick with the currently posted version, or amend it to suit. MTIA, PeterWD (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks very much for your advice, and your generous award tags; I hope you won't mind if I clean out the tags after a period - I'm not keen for my efforts to be proclaimed. In the amended page, I have continued with the truncated version of the speech, to suit the summarised nature of the day entries, but I intend to use a fuller version elsewhere, perhaps in Wikiquote. PeterWD (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors
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MedCab case
Hi Historian. I'm one of the co-ordinators at the Mediation Cabal. We'd really like to thank you for jumping in to try to mediate a dispute, but we're a little concerned that you may not have the dispute resolution experience needed to handle the burden that a mediation entails. We were wondering if you would ask on the MedCab talk page for some other mediator to co-mediate the case with you, or perhaps consider withdrawing and returning the case status to "New", as we feel the case may be a little tricky for someone a bit new with mediation. If you choose to withdraw, we'd encourage you to get some experience working at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard or at the Third Opinion project then come back and take or co-mediate a MedCab case later because we always need some help. Perhaps you could have a read over our suggestions page and let us know what you'd like to do? Regards, Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 06:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Notice of intent to torture
The Dive Right In Award
I award this Dive Right In Award to you as a newcomer who has shown real enthusiasm in helping with administrative tasks at Wikipedia. It's sometimes hard to get your balance, and there's a lot to learn, but keep on trying. Many, many thanks, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC) |
Nonetheless, in light of your user page, please be on notice that as a speaker of the Texan dialect of American English I intend to torture you by using the word "y'all" as the second person plural pronoun each time we are editing on the same talk page, just as I do in everyday informal speech. (Just be thankful that I'm not from Arkansas and use "you-uns" instead of "y'all". That would really get your panties in a wad. Oh, sorry, let me translate that: get your knickers in a twist.) Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
And If I see such a thing such as "y'all", I will viciously correct you! --Thehistorian10 (talk) 17:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Trial of Conrad Murray
Do you still want to mediate your issues? You had two, and one of them is now moot because I replaced the infobox with a case infobox that doesn't include the names of the participants. So, the only thing left to "mediate" is the verdict. The verdict is now mentioned in two places in the article, in the lead and in the body. It has to be mentioned in the body because it's so obviously important, and the lead is a summary of the highlights of the body, and, clearly, the verdict is a highlight. So, the only thing left to discuss is whether it deserves its own section. As I said on the Talk page, there's no existing section to put it into (I didn't create the strange structure of the article). It doesn't belong in the prosectuion or defense sections, so where would you put it?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- The point is that I wouldn't have it in the article at all (other than in the infobox). If I had it my way, the section "verdict" would be struck out. --Thehistorian10 (talk) 17:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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Guild of Copy Editors November 2011 backlog elimination drive update
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