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I just want to inform you that I had to restore the Antiquity section of history (at [[Arad, Romania]]), written correctly by me previously, because the user Moxy who first removed the gallery on Romania he came to [[Arad, Romania]] (after days) to say he's "restoring" but in fact he just had to change back some words. I let his changes, but I put back my work. I just hope he is not doing this in a provocative way. [[User:Cristina neagu|Christina]] ([[User talk:Cristina neagu|talk]]) 08:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
I just want to inform you that I had to restore the Antiquity section of history (at [[Arad, Romania]]), written correctly by me previously, because the user Moxy who first removed the gallery on Romania he came to [[Arad, Romania]] (after days) to say he's "restoring" but in fact he just had to change back some words. I let his changes, but I put back my work. I just hope he is not doing this in a provocative way. [[User:Cristina neagu|Christina]] ([[User talk:Cristina neagu|talk]]) 08:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
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:Moxy could be the sock of Tgeorgescu. But you are not going to catch him since he is using probably proxies. He immediately went to the talk page of Arad, Romania pinging Moxy saying I am banned. [[User:Cristina neagu|Christina]] ([[User talk:Cristina neagu|talk]]) 09:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
:Moxy could be the sock of Tgeorgescu. But you are not going to catch him since he is using probably proxies. He immediately went to the talk page of Arad, Romania pinging Moxy saying I am banned. [[User:Cristina neagu|Christina]] ([[User talk:Cristina neagu|talk]]) 09:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
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==Arbitration enforcement action appeal== |
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I've opened an appeal of your recent AE action [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Dlthewave|here]]. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 17:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
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Hello
Do you know I get along with most of the users on Wikipedia including the Hungarian nationalistics? And it's very difficult to work with them, they are much more like warriors, they kinda always want to have the last word. And the Hungarian history is against the Trianon and the international regulations. Nevertheless, I reached consensuses with Borsoka and more. And one Danish user on the handball section Cotillards always wants to have the last word. And I even let him to have the last word, although he removed some of my work which was objective, not subjective like she said. And very similar to the articles of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United etc.
Normally I don't even deserve a minimum TBAN. Some hours for my behaviour maybe, but you can't say I am really bannable. Because after, it will open other boxes of possible exclusions. Even the absolute exclusion.
When I arrived on Wikipedia, the Romanian page was full of mockeries. Now what do you think? Do you think there are some businessmen who would read it on Wikipedia or not, when they type Romania? A small armada of users even mocked us by creating pages with the Romanian towns by Roma populations (which was of course eventually deleted). We want to get along with everyone, but understand we are more than you in an area of opression. And you are really understimating the Romanians, and me. I don't like the situation, but it's the result of the stupid nationalism in Hungary, Ukraine or Russia. In Germany, Romania, we talk about patriotism. Christina (talk) 19:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Requests for undeletion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shark2six Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. Thank you.
- No, because chances are you are trying to continue to promote this non-notable person. Sandstein 10:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
TBAN appeal
Hello, Sandstein,
I am blocked from editing Romania and Romanians. By the way, I never edited Romanians, Dacia and Dacians, only Romania was problematic. Some admins even suggested that a 6-month TBAN would be harsh, and proposed 3 months or none. Can I get at least the chance to appeal it? Keep in mind please I had 0 reports and my behaviour in my opinion comes from the lack of experience on Wikipedia. I am just 1 year old though with about 150 created articles. If we don't work, we don't make mistakes! Right? I accept this TBAN but it hurts to see I am being punished because of Tgeorgescu, who proposed this to the administrators. 6 months is a very, very long period to everybody. Put yourself in my place! Christina (talk) 12:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- You can appeal the topic ban through the venues referred to in the link on your talk page. I'm open to lifting the topic ban earlier if I am convinced that you understand the reason for it and show that you can contribute competently and conflict-free in other topic areas. Sandstein 13:02, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Question: can I still edit the Romanian towns? I am getting bored without doing anything than handball, handball news these days come out very rarely. For instance on Arad and Oradea I completed with the Antiquity section on History. My only problem was with Romania, and I never edited even Romanians not just Dacia or Dacians. I will not touch Romania and Romanians, but I hope I can still touch the other Romanian articles. Because otherwise why I am on Wikipedia? I am Romanian user, I contribute to what I know. Christina (talk) 13:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, Romanian towns are part of the broader topic of Romania. Sandstein 13:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- I was so shocked to see that the Roman and even Dacian sometimes history of Romania is vanished. Romania comes from the people of Rome and we speak of course a language of Romance related to the Vulgar Latin. Some Hungarian nationalists would disagree, in order to say the Romanians are Cumans and there was nobody in Transylvania, all Roman cohorts that mixed with the Dacians were dead. And this theory IS GENERALLY AGREED BY BRITANNICA and international historians, it's universal. That we are the descendants of Dacia and Rome. DO YOU SEE A ROMANIAN CARING SO MUCH ABOUT THE HUNGARIAN TOPICS? No, but an army of Hungary is very interested about Romania (when they need to really edit big our history, they come out with proxies). The admins, most of them Americans, don't care. They ignore us, our oppression. Why do you think all the Antiquity section of History at all the Transylvanian towns was erased in time? And they only started with the official attestation of the city. Which was of course in the Middle Ages, all the official documents in history were rarely younger. Tgeorgescu is a very difficult person it seems, not just a reporter, but also a Christian interested in Masturbation, pornography and is supporting some of the sins of the Decalogue. Basically a freak, but that's just my opinion. He will get ignorance from me, because of his lack of respect. He came from nowhere to report me, when we had no business together, we never edited the same articles. I wish I will live the day when a Wikipedia administrator would make justice. Basically Tgeorgescu is supporting the others, and not me. Christina (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Really, you shouldn't have agreed with him and you could have banned me for 1 month. Others got 1 week from everything for very bad actions. I would have preferred a one week block, if you really think I deserve this, instead of the 6 month TBAN. It's huge period of time! At least ban me specifically only on Romania and Romanians 3 months. Let me be able to edit about others of Romania. You can supervise me, that I am not making conflicts anymore. Christina (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Cristina neagu: you were topic-banned for what looked like nationalist ranting. Therefore, it is not helpful to continue with nationalist ranting in the course of an appeal. Instead, it confirms my view that the topic ban is necessary. Any further comments by you regarding the historical origins of the Romanians, etc., are in and of themselves a violation of the topic ban and may result in blocks. Your appeal to me is declined. Sandstein 13:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Cristina neagu: So I can edit any article I want but just not to talk about the origin of the Romanians? Christina (talk) 14:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Cristina neagu: Because in talk was the origin of the Romanians (Romania, Romanians). As long I don't talk about this, can I edit please everything? I also bring sources. I will not get involved in this subject and matter anymore. Christina (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Cristina neagu: So I can edit any article I want but just not to talk about the origin of the Romanians? Christina (talk) 14:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Cristina neagu: you were topic-banned for what looked like nationalist ranting. Therefore, it is not helpful to continue with nationalist ranting in the course of an appeal. Instead, it confirms my view that the topic ban is necessary. Any further comments by you regarding the historical origins of the Romanians, etc., are in and of themselves a violation of the topic ban and may result in blocks. Your appeal to me is declined. Sandstein 13:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Really, you shouldn't have agreed with him and you could have banned me for 1 month. Others got 1 week from everything for very bad actions. I would have preferred a one week block, if you really think I deserve this, instead of the 6 month TBAN. It's huge period of time! At least ban me specifically only on Romania and Romanians 3 months. Let me be able to edit about others of Romania. You can supervise me, that I am not making conflicts anymore. Christina (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- I was so shocked to see that the Roman and even Dacian sometimes history of Romania is vanished. Romania comes from the people of Rome and we speak of course a language of Romance related to the Vulgar Latin. Some Hungarian nationalists would disagree, in order to say the Romanians are Cumans and there was nobody in Transylvania, all Roman cohorts that mixed with the Dacians were dead. And this theory IS GENERALLY AGREED BY BRITANNICA and international historians, it's universal. That we are the descendants of Dacia and Rome. DO YOU SEE A ROMANIAN CARING SO MUCH ABOUT THE HUNGARIAN TOPICS? No, but an army of Hungary is very interested about Romania (when they need to really edit big our history, they come out with proxies). The admins, most of them Americans, don't care. They ignore us, our oppression. Why do you think all the Antiquity section of History at all the Transylvanian towns was erased in time? And they only started with the official attestation of the city. Which was of course in the Middle Ages, all the official documents in history were rarely younger. Tgeorgescu is a very difficult person it seems, not just a reporter, but also a Christian interested in Masturbation, pornography and is supporting some of the sins of the Decalogue. Basically a freak, but that's just my opinion. He will get ignorance from me, because of his lack of respect. He came from nowhere to report me, when we had no business together, we never edited the same articles. I wish I will live the day when a Wikipedia administrator would make justice. Basically Tgeorgescu is supporting the others, and not me. Christina (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, Romanian towns are part of the broader topic of Romania. Sandstein 13:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Question: can I still edit the Romanian towns? I am getting bored without doing anything than handball, handball news these days come out very rarely. For instance on Arad and Oradea I completed with the Antiquity section on History. My only problem was with Romania, and I never edited even Romanians not just Dacia or Dacians. I will not touch Romania and Romanians, but I hope I can still touch the other Romanian articles. Because otherwise why I am on Wikipedia? I am Romanian user, I contribute to what I know. Christina (talk) 13:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sandstein: Drawing your attention to this. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Person-to-Person
If you'll indulge me for a moment, I'd like to leave a quick message regarding my being short with you earlier. As an admin, you have authority. As an editor, I'm a paean that needs to keep their nose clean and cause as little disturbance as possible. Experienced editors get some leeway, by nothing resembling that which admins have, or are perceived to have. As an aside, I think admins have that leeway at great detriment to the health of the Wikipedia community. Just consider the vicious nature of RfA. That's a response to the authority gap between admin (ruler) and editor (ruled). Not to mention the lack of an accountability process that can be initiated by a disaffected community. Thus, expectations are raised to absurdity to cut-off access to the tools to all but living saints of impeccable, untarnished, and infallible records. I'm being slightly rhetorical, but you get the point.
So, when you responded to me with I do not discuss sanctions with people other than the sanctioned users themselves
, you might as well have said You're a paean, so f*** off
. All I can leverage in this situation is policy (ADMINACCT for example) and scrutiny (AN for example). I'm certain you didn't appreciate my you wanna go, mate? I'll fight you at AN. Come at me bro.
response, but there's little action I can seek, besides that.
Most TBAN sanctions I see come attached with the "broadly construed" disclaimer, and I was unaware that where not specified that "broadly construed" was inherently integrated. I should have been, but wasn't. Thanks for clarifying that. If it's always been that way, then I'm entirely unsure why so many admins (and even arbitrators) make that clarification when imposing those kinds of sanctions. Maybe redundancy? I don't know.
I hope that clarifies my complete lack of patience. If it was unjustified, or disproportionate, feel free to let me know. Otherwise: Carry on, Mr rnddude (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry if I came across as arrogant on my part. I don't see myself as a "ruler", but as a functionary. To give you some perspective: On previous occasions, when I imposed sanctions on users with many friends, many of them showed up on my talk page to yell at me and to contest the sanctions. This quickly becomes exhausting and redundant, hence my practice to discuss the merits of sanctions only in the structured format of an appeal by the sanctioned user. As to the "broadly construed" issue: I do not know what "broadly construed" is supposed to mean. It is a confusing term, and I do not use it. The scope of a normal topic ban is, in my view, adequately (and already fairly broadly) described at WP:TBAN. I don't know what "broadly construed" would additionally cover. Sandstein 14:30, 18 February 2019 (UTC) — On the other hand, I now see that somebody wrote Wikipedia:Broadly construed, so it seems to make sense to others. Sandstein 14:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- We're good. I suspect most admins don't consider themselves, or act like, rulers. It's just an unfortunate result of privileges and how much easier it is to lose editing privileges than admin privileges. I understand that in imposing sanctions, you run the risk of being uh... what's that thing called where you're placed in a cage and have an angry mob throw tomatoes and whatever else at you. I thought it was pillocked, but I'm confusing pillock meaning "stupid person" for something else. Pilloried perhaps? I've seen it happen, and it's often unwarranted.
Yeah, the central problem with "broadly construed" is how broad is broad?There's WP:Broadly construed but it's hazy on meaning tooNvm, you mentioned it before I posted this. Coincidentally, this fuzziness was the impetus for my second question, but that's not important anymore. Have a good day, Mr rnddude (talk) 14:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- We're good. I suspect most admins don't consider themselves, or act like, rulers. It's just an unfortunate result of privileges and how much easier it is to lose editing privileges than admin privileges. I understand that in imposing sanctions, you run the risk of being uh... what's that thing called where you're placed in a cage and have an angry mob throw tomatoes and whatever else at you. I thought it was pillocked, but I'm confusing pillock meaning "stupid person" for something else. Pilloried perhaps? I've seen it happen, and it's often unwarranted.
Deletion review for Aprimo
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Aprimo. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Moxy
Hello,
I just want to inform you that I had to restore the Antiquity section of history (at Arad, Romania), written correctly by me previously, because the user Moxy who first removed the gallery on Romania he came to Arad, Romania (after days) to say he's "restoring" but in fact he just had to change back some words. I let his changes, but I put back my work. I just hope he is not doing this in a provocative way. Christina (talk) 08:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Moxy could be the sock of Tgeorgescu. But you are not going to catch him since he is using probably proxies. He immediately went to the talk page of Arad, Romania pinging Moxy saying I am banned. Christina (talk) 09:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement action appeal
I've opened an appeal of your recent AE action here. –dlthewave ☎ 17:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)