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::::That's not correct - the main case was based around the wheel warring over the template. Joeyramoney was blocked indefinitely, until he clarified that he only added the template as a joke and he wasn't in fact a pedophile. {{Userlinks|Zanthalon}}, {{Userlinks|Silent War}}, {{Userlinks|Jim Burton}} (who all had the userbox on their userpage before the wheel war began are all now currently blocked because they identified as pedophiles. Fred Bauder made those blocks whilst he was a sitting arbitrator. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 12:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
::::That's not correct - the main case was based around the wheel warring over the template. Joeyramoney was blocked indefinitely, until he clarified that he only added the template as a joke and he wasn't in fact a pedophile. {{Userlinks|Zanthalon}}, {{Userlinks|Silent War}}, {{Userlinks|Jim Burton}} (who all had the userbox on their userpage before the wheel war began are all now currently blocked because they identified as pedophiles. Fred Bauder made those blocks whilst he was a sitting arbitrator. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 12:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::I think you're missing a couple of things here. Two of those accounts had been inactive for 6mths in one case and a year in the other before the blocks, so there is a profound sense of stable doors closing after horses had legged it. Also both had been active on Wikipedia in what could be seen as paedophile advocacy, so it is far from clear that the block was not de facto for that offence. In the case of Jim Burton, the block was specified as for paedophile advocacy. This category is something I'd be quite happy to see blocks about, but Tyciol was very careful never to identify on Wikipedia that he was a paedophile, nor to undertake any form of advocacy - his edits are all strictly neutral and conform to all policies. Be that as it may, I will wait to see the response from the Arbs, as nothing more is to be gained by discussion here I think. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
::::::I think you're missing a couple of things here. Two of those accounts had been inactive for 6mths in one case and a year in the other before the blocks, so there is a profound sense of stable doors closing after horses had legged it. Also both had been active on Wikipedia in what could be seen as paedophile advocacy, so it is far from clear that the block was not de facto for that offence. In the case of Jim Burton, the block was specified as for paedophile advocacy. This category is something I'd be quite happy to see blocks about, but Tyciol was very careful never to identify on Wikipedia that he was a paedophile, nor to undertake any form of advocacy - his edits are all strictly neutral and conform to all policies. Be that as it may, I will wait to see the response from the Arbs, as nothing more is to be gained by discussion here I think. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::No, there wasn't anything strange going on. Fred (presumably after discussion with other arbitrators) decided that their further participation on the project after identifying as pedophiles was not welcome. From what I recall, one of the reasons other than the ones mentioned above (editing with children, POV |
:::::::No, there wasn't anything strange going on. Fred (presumably after discussion with other arbitrators) decided that their further participation on the project after identifying as pedophiles was not welcome. From what I recall, one of the reasons other than the ones mentioned above (editing with children, POV potential) was that it has the potential to be a serious PR nightmare for Wikipedia - if the press cottoned on to the fact that we allowed people who self identified as pedophiles to edit our encyclopedia we'd get hit hard. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 12:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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It has been about six weeks since I raised concerns about a mediator, and about four weeks since you promised a reply "within the next 3 days". Can you provide a complete, on-wiki report, detailing the positions of all parties involved, within the next 24 hours? Gimmetrow 10:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Apologies, someone had said they would take this over but I guess not. We looked into the complaint against Sunray and found him not to be at fault at all. We believe at no point he stepped out of line as a mediator and when he felt like he had started to get too personally involved, he removed himself as a mediator. We are not in a position to start reviewing the the conduct of the parties so we won't be providing a report detailing the positions of all parties - it's completely out of our remit and would go against the privileged nature of mediation. Regards, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an unacceptable response. Given the time and delay you have caused, you should provide detailed explanation of the position of everyone who discussed this off-wiki, with a detailed description of all evidence used, since you at no point contacted me for further information. Your prompt reply is requested. Gimmetrow 15:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's an entirely appropriate response Gimmetrow, especially considering you failed to give a single diff to back up your allegations - When asked a question here by KillerChihuahua when she was wanting more information about your complaint, you failed to acknowledge the question at all. Myself, Xavexgoem and KillerChihuahua looked into the complaint and we went through the mediation and a number of discussions after the mediation had concluded (in which Sunray participated as a non-mediator) and found not a single problem with any of his mediating skills, nor bias as you suggested. We also found no evidence that he had been colluding off-wiki as you mentioned (which you should know is a very serious accusation and should have been backed up with evidence before even thinking of bringing it on-wiki). If you wish to discuss what your options now about where you can request further review then that's something we can discuss, however the initial complaint that you made has been fully reviewed and I've quite frankly got nothing else to say. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 17:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- The diff you present from KC contains no request for further information. Did you ask Sunray for any response? In any event, even assuming for the sake of argument that Sunray participated post-mediation as a non-mediator, does it not give you even the slightest pause to find a mediator immediately entering a dispute post-mediation on one side? That should be prima facie an indication of bias. Gimmetrow 17:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I find your failure to respond rather troubling. Do you consider this conduct appropriate dispute resolution for the chair of medcom? Gimmetrow 14:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what else you want me to say. We've investigated this internally and found nothing unbecoming in Sunray's conduct - If you wish to discuss where you can seek review, then let's discuss it - as far as the complaint is concerned, we've looked at it and disagreed and in our eyes the matter is closed. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- Very well. Where does the chair of the mediation committee, who has already assumed jurisdiction over the arbitration committee, suggest going for review of alleged "findings" by that chair that are not presented on-wiki? Gimmetrow 16:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what else you want me to say. We've investigated this internally and found nothing unbecoming in Sunray's conduct - If you wish to discuss where you can seek review, then let's discuss it - as far as the complaint is concerned, we've looked at it and disagreed and in our eyes the matter is closed. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I find your failure to respond rather troubling. Do you consider this conduct appropriate dispute resolution for the chair of medcom? Gimmetrow 14:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- The diff you present from KC contains no request for further information. Did you ask Sunray for any response? In any event, even assuming for the sake of argument that Sunray participated post-mediation as a non-mediator, does it not give you even the slightest pause to find a mediator immediately entering a dispute post-mediation on one side? That should be prima facie an indication of bias. Gimmetrow 17:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's an entirely appropriate response Gimmetrow, especially considering you failed to give a single diff to back up your allegations - When asked a question here by KillerChihuahua when she was wanting more information about your complaint, you failed to acknowledge the question at all. Myself, Xavexgoem and KillerChihuahua looked into the complaint and we went through the mediation and a number of discussions after the mediation had concluded (in which Sunray participated as a non-mediator) and found not a single problem with any of his mediating skills, nor bias as you suggested. We also found no evidence that he had been colluding off-wiki as you mentioned (which you should know is a very serious accusation and should have been backed up with evidence before even thinking of bringing it on-wiki). If you wish to discuss what your options now about where you can request further review then that's something we can discuss, however the initial complaint that you made has been fully reviewed and I've quite frankly got nothing else to say. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 17:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- That is an unacceptable response. Given the time and delay you have caused, you should provide detailed explanation of the position of everyone who discussed this off-wiki, with a detailed description of all evidence used, since you at no point contacted me for further information. Your prompt reply is requested. Gimmetrow 15:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
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You're going to need to explain this given that you just popped back on the site after being gone for five days. Nothing I can see in recent history gives any credence to this extremely serious accusation. Thanks for your time. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've emailed the arbitration committee about this. Some of the evidence is on a site which I'd rather not post to WP (it's a pedophilia advocacy site). If you don't mind viewing it (it's basically only a forum so I don't think there'll be any problems with regards to breaking the law) then I'll happily email you the link. It's fairly clear cut once you see it. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 23:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, please do email me. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Call me stupid, but I see nothing here] that justifies this blocking. Whatever happens on other websites, if it does not impinge here, should be irrelevant, and if it really matters, should not be kept secret if there is no impact on Wikipedia. In the absence of rational explanation, I can only assume unrelated bias, in the nature of "pitchforks and torches". So please, let's have this up front and not hidden behind some agenda. Rodhullandemu 00:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, this is very serious - but again, I'm not willing to post the link on this site. If you want to see my evidence, then please email me and I'll gladly send it to you, but the link I'll be sending is to a pro-pedophilia site. I'll happily give it to anyone upon request. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, if you're that bothered you can hav it here. Here is the url which shows that Tyciol is a self admitted pedophile. He's made edits to pedophilia related articles here, hence the block. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm...I definitely don't condone pedophilia at all, but I don't think we should be blocking people for activity over which Wikipedia/Wikimedia has no control. As long as the edits to WIkipedia are within the policies and guidelines here, I don't care who edits the site, and neither do our policies and guidelines. I think you have overstepped your authority here, Ryan. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- So you're happy for a self confessed pedophile to be editing child sexual abuse and child pornography articles? There's also the small issue of the fact that he's editing with kids here. Forgive me for taking the morale high ground here, but that strikes me as utterly wrong. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 09:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- As long as he is abiding by the policies and guidelines here, I don't see how his personal life has anything to do with it. As for editing with kids (which is fairly difficult to determine as people generally don't indicate their ages here, and anyone under 18 who does has that information removed fairly quickly), unless he can be shown to be doing something illegal or inappropriate, I don't see it as an issue. We don't convict people for what they might do unless they've shown they can't be trusted by flouting the policies and guidelines. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- So you're happy for a self confessed pedophile to be editing child sexual abuse and child pornography articles? There's also the small issue of the fact that he's editing with kids here. Forgive me for taking the morale high ground here, but that strikes me as utterly wrong. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 09:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)} I read it. However, whatever a username (is there a Checkuser for this?) may say elsewhere, I don't see anything *here* that confirms this. Perhaps I've missed it, but if you would like to point out diffs for pedophile advocacy "on wikipedia", please email me, or, preferably put them up front. It's within my legal experience that innocent people are sometimes caught in law enforcement operations due to their credit card details being used, and have very great difficulty proving their innocence due to the circumstantial evidence. However, prima facie, in this case, you may have a point; but unless and until User:Tyciol is shown to be using Wikipedia for pedophile advocacy, we should tread very carefully indeed; he/she is a person, and has rights. Those rights should not be taken away arbitrarily, and certainly not without defensible evidence. So far, it's weak, in my opinion. Rodhullandemu 00:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's clear they're the same person. Same username for starters, and primary editing area is anime related articles; as he says in the email I linked to above; "I'm not faulting you for it though, temptation can be quite strong at times. I'm more fortunate in that I'm such an anime geek I probably find them (or cosplayers) more attractive than real people." which clearly shows his interest in Anime. There's no chance they aren't the same person. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 09:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm...I definitely don't condone pedophilia at all, but I don't think we should be blocking people for activity over which Wikipedia/Wikimedia has no control. As long as the edits to WIkipedia are within the policies and guidelines here, I don't care who edits the site, and neither do our policies and guidelines. I think you have overstepped your authority here, Ryan. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
It's Tyciol's hotmail account - for whatever that's worth (he has his email accounts on his userpage). I havta say, I've been following his edits since the great redirect kerfuffle, and I haven't noticed anything dubious. He's a member of the defunct Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch according to one of the eleventy zillion userboxes also on his page, but I haven't seen him make any edits related to them, although perhaps you have. Also, those messages are from 2006!! Making it even less relevant. Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC) OK, I've found some edits on their talk page from much earlier this year, but nothing of an advocative nature. In fact, this [1] is significant as showing an intent to keep in with Wikipedia policy. I have kids of my own and I don't like paedophiles, but I don't care for lynchings either.Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think that it's fair to say that Ryan has contacted Arbcom about his actions and asked them to examine the issue further. I would suggest contacting Arbcom directly, either on WT:ARB or by email at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org should you have any remaining concerns, as it is now a matter for them to conclude. Many thanks, Gazimoff 09:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I'll leave it with them. I have also struck the last line of my post. Reading it now, it appears rather too pointy - I didn't mean to say that Ryan personally was lynching anyone. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is that ArbCom aren't the ones who should be involved here unless this is directly connected to a specific case against Tyciol. As far as I know, there isn't one, and Ryan hasn't referenced one. This is clearly an abuse of authority here, and Ryan is trying to hide behind "Well, I sent the info to ArbCom," as if that somehow condones what he has done. His blocking of Tyciol was not policy-based at all. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I've blocked other people for very similar reasons and it's never been an issue before. If I find a user to be a self identified pedophile then they get blocked, whether they identify here or on a different site. In fact, there is a precedent for this whereby Fred Bauder (who was a member of the Arbitration Committee at the time and I'm sure was making the blocks on behald of the committee) blocked a number of users (Zanthalon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Silent War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), ) simply because they were self identified pedophiles. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- You aren't paying attention to what I'm writing: there is no policy which supports this block. Just because someone hasn't called you on it before (perhaps no one noticed it before) doesn't mean you can keep blocking people outside of policy. Passing the buck to ArbCom doesn't give you the right to keep doing it, either. If you block someone, you need to give specific policy reasons which back up your block if someone asks you about it. Referring them to ArbCom instead of providing the reason doesn't remove your responsibility for your actions. So far, you haven't provided any policy which supports your block of Tyciol. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Quite frankly Nihonjoe, I'm appalled at such a flippant attitude you're displaying toward pedophiles editing here. I've explained my reasons for the blocked (notably, he has edited child abuse/pornography articles and also the fact that he is sharing the online space with children). I'm not sure what else you want me to say. As far as I'm concerned, it was a great block. If you feel differently, then please contact the Arbitration Committee (as I'm sure you're aware, all request for block reviews which are done for child abuse/pedophilia advocacy should be directed to the arbitration committee by email (arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org)). Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 11:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I've blocked other people for very similar reasons and it's never been an issue before. If I find a user to be a self identified pedophile then they get blocked, whether they identify here or on a different site. In fact, there is a precedent for this whereby Fred Bauder (who was a member of the Arbitration Committee at the time and I'm sure was making the blocks on behald of the committee) blocked a number of users (Zanthalon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Silent War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), ) simply because they were self identified pedophiles. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think that it's fair to say that Ryan has contacted Arbcom about his actions and asked them to examine the issue further. I would suggest contacting Arbcom directly, either on WT:ARB or by email at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org should you have any remaining concerns, as it is now a matter for them to conclude. Many thanks, Gazimoff 09:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Actually I think this has come up before at a high level, to do with editing paedophilia/child sex articles, with the argument being that such articles for balance need to include some aspect of the pro-p POV. In many ways, I am less bothered by a paedophile editing child sex articles that I would be with them editing manga/anime articles, where the possibility exists of identifying targets. That however is theoretical - there's no evidence of it happening here AFAIK, and I am concerned that there is probably a widespread perception that upon such slender evidence someone has "you are a paedophile" plastered all over their account in large (un)friendly letters.Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- I found what I was thinking of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war specifically Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war/Proposed_decision#Wikipedia_is_open_to_all. During the events leading up to the RfAR, Jimbo Wales blocked someone that he suspected was a paedophile and stated that pedophiles were not allowed to edit Wikipedia. ArbCom overturned this (or rather found that he didn't have the right to make the statement - it was from some other event involving a Jimbo 'pronuncement from on high' that he didn't have the right to make, that I came across this case) and endorsed the rather guarded statement that It is not an accepted practice to ban users from editing Wikipedia unless they are actively disrupting, endangering, or otherwise harming the project. Such bannings usually require either broad community consensus, an action from the Arbitration Committee, or an action from Jimbo Wales. In addition, "The Wikimedia Foundation prohibits discrimination against current or prospective users and employees on the basis of race, color, gender, religion, national origin, age, disability, sexual orientation, or any other legally protected characteristics." Which while certainly not a ringing endorsement of paedophilia (which I would neither expect nor want) does suggest that the current action was somewhat premature. There needs to be some actual evidence of harm.Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- That case had absolutely nothing to do with Jimbo blocking a suspected pedophile. It all centred around a userbox which someone created stating "this user is a pedophile". There was a wheel war about the deletion of the userbox, people did get blocked, but for disruption at the deletion discussion and for wheel warring. Don't attempt to use the Wikimedia Foundation's discrimination policy here - are you trying to suggest I'm being discriminatory about pedophiles? If so, good - I see nothing wrong with that in the slightest. If you don't agree then that's slightly worrying. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 11:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ryan, that is extremely disingenuous. Although the kerfuffle was about wheel warring, the incident revealed that an admin felt it was OK to block paedophiles on sight, and that the same admin intended to make a change to the blocking policy in order to allow this (when pointed out that it wasn't contained in the current at the time policy). Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war/Workshop#Carbonite.2C_et_al_advocated_banning_pedophiles. The very cautious statement of the arbitrators in my previous post was intended to highlight that this was not supported. You'll notice that the block policy never changed - it still does not support banning paedophiles on sight. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's not correct - the main case was based around the wheel warring over the template. Joeyramoney was blocked indefinitely, until he clarified that he only added the template as a joke and he wasn't in fact a pedophile. Zanthalon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Silent War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Jim Burton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (who all had the userbox on their userpage before the wheel war began are all now currently blocked because they identified as pedophiles. Fred Bauder made those blocks whilst he was a sitting arbitrator. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 12:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're missing a couple of things here. Two of those accounts had been inactive for 6mths in one case and a year in the other before the blocks, so there is a profound sense of stable doors closing after horses had legged it. Also both had been active on Wikipedia in what could be seen as paedophile advocacy, so it is far from clear that the block was not de facto for that offence. In the case of Jim Burton, the block was specified as for paedophile advocacy. This category is something I'd be quite happy to see blocks about, but Tyciol was very careful never to identify on Wikipedia that he was a paedophile, nor to undertake any form of advocacy - his edits are all strictly neutral and conform to all policies. Be that as it may, I will wait to see the response from the Arbs, as nothing more is to be gained by discussion here I think. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, there wasn't anything strange going on. Fred (presumably after discussion with other arbitrators) decided that their further participation on the project after identifying as pedophiles was not welcome. From what I recall, one of the reasons other than the ones mentioned above (editing with children, POV potential) was that it has the potential to be a serious PR nightmare for Wikipedia - if the press cottoned on to the fact that we allowed people who self identified as pedophiles to edit our encyclopedia we'd get hit hard. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 12:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're missing a couple of things here. Two of those accounts had been inactive for 6mths in one case and a year in the other before the blocks, so there is a profound sense of stable doors closing after horses had legged it. Also both had been active on Wikipedia in what could be seen as paedophile advocacy, so it is far from clear that the block was not de facto for that offence. In the case of Jim Burton, the block was specified as for paedophile advocacy. This category is something I'd be quite happy to see blocks about, but Tyciol was very careful never to identify on Wikipedia that he was a paedophile, nor to undertake any form of advocacy - his edits are all strictly neutral and conform to all policies. Be that as it may, I will wait to see the response from the Arbs, as nothing more is to be gained by discussion here I think. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's not correct - the main case was based around the wheel warring over the template. Joeyramoney was blocked indefinitely, until he clarified that he only added the template as a joke and he wasn't in fact a pedophile. Zanthalon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Silent War (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Jim Burton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (who all had the userbox on their userpage before the wheel war began are all now currently blocked because they identified as pedophiles. Fred Bauder made those blocks whilst he was a sitting arbitrator. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 12:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ryan, that is extremely disingenuous. Although the kerfuffle was about wheel warring, the incident revealed that an admin felt it was OK to block paedophiles on sight, and that the same admin intended to make a change to the blocking policy in order to allow this (when pointed out that it wasn't contained in the current at the time policy). Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war/Workshop#Carbonite.2C_et_al_advocated_banning_pedophiles. The very cautious statement of the arbitrators in my previous post was intended to highlight that this was not supported. You'll notice that the block policy never changed - it still does not support banning paedophiles on sight. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- That case had absolutely nothing to do with Jimbo blocking a suspected pedophile. It all centred around a userbox which someone created stating "this user is a pedophile". There was a wheel war about the deletion of the userbox, people did get blocked, but for disruption at the deletion discussion and for wheel warring. Don't attempt to use the Wikimedia Foundation's discrimination policy here - are you trying to suggest I'm being discriminatory about pedophiles? If so, good - I see nothing wrong with that in the slightest. If you don't agree then that's slightly worrying. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 11:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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