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Hi Primefac. I noticed you were the one who closed [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_11#Time_limit_for_Template:Empty_section_and_Template:Expand_section|this discussion]] and I was wondering if there ever was an RFC or some other form of consensus about removing empty sections, and even more precisely, creating them. I'm asking because of an editor who systematically adds empty sections to hundreds of articles, which seems pointless to me, but I can't quote any policy against it. Best regards. --[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 20:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC) |
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reasoning?
Recently, you made a decision on the deletion of the 2017 Las Vegas Shooting article. The only explanation was "the result was delete". Please provide more information.
To me, it would seem to be a better explanation if you wrote "There is a lack of consensus but I believe the article should be deleted" or "Failing a lack of consensus, I weigh in and the result is delete".
What is the explanation? There does seem to be a lack of consensus. AGrandeFan (talk) 17:30, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Will you extend the courtesy of making a substantive response, Primefac? Thank you! AGrandeFan (talk) 21:39, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Sure, as soon as I have time to write something up. Likely I'll just respond to the other people in the section two spots above this, though, to save time. Primefac (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Not trying to make trouble for you but this is a topic that captivates interest. AGrandeFan (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Would you kindly let me take a last look at the article? Maybe recreate it on my sandbox and let me look at it for a few minutes? I don't live in Wikipedia but if you let me know, I will let you know after looking at it so you can delete my sandbox. AGrandeFan (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- May I see it??? AGrandeFan (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's one of those days. AGrandeFan, what is it you want to see? Primefac (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
- I would like to see the deleted page to see if it is 100.0000% junk or if there is any useful information. I think there's one or two references that is of value to the community. AGrandeFan (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Unfortunately due to there being a page currently at the redirect, I can't just undelete the page for you to view it, but I've copied its contents into this permalink for you to view. Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for this permalink. Sometimes, administrator are heavy handed or rude but this is very kind of you to show me the references in the deleted article. Some of them have information not in the deleted article but are of value to the main article. AGrandeFan (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Unfortunately due to there being a page currently at the redirect, I can't just undelete the page for you to view it, but I've copied its contents into this permalink for you to view. Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
- I would like to see the deleted page to see if it is 100.0000% junk or if there is any useful information. I think there's one or two references that is of value to the community. AGrandeFan (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's one of those days. AGrandeFan, what is it you want to see? Primefac (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
- May I see it??? AGrandeFan (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
- Would you kindly let me take a last look at the article? Maybe recreate it on my sandbox and let me look at it for a few minutes? I don't live in Wikipedia but if you let me know, I will let you know after looking at it so you can delete my sandbox. AGrandeFan (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Not trying to make trouble for you but this is a topic that captivates interest. AGrandeFan (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Primefac, you rev-delled some of the revisions of Draft:Plane of polarization. The appropriate copyright release has now been secured- can you restore the content? Thanks, jcc (tea and biscuits) 11:15, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Seeking advice with an editor/article
Hi Primefac. You mentioned I could reach out any time with questions, so here I am. A user has been editing Michael Lovell to add the "worst university president" award. Them and I have been in discussion here. As the latest discussion comes from a new IP address, it looks like there have been three IP addresses involved, but seem to be the same person.
Am I wrong in my arguments that this "award" should not be included in the article? I was hoping someone else who watches the page might weigh-in, but that hasn't happened yet. The reference they provide looks to be a blog/editorial, and not a reliable source (please help me understand if I am wrong).
Their latest comment calls me "a subordinate of Michael Lovell" (I am not). Should I reply to the comment? Should I give them one more chance before requesting an admin to protect the page? Or am I wrong, and this "award" should be included?
Oh, and I recently realized now that Lovell was considered a runner-up - so he didn't really receive the "award" to begin with. = paul2520 (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
NAST Revision
Hello,
I'm the Digital Media Manager for the National Association of State Treasurers and my boss wanted me to update our Wikipedia page with the information I provided. It seems like those pages were reverted to an earlier format. Can you explain and the thought process and what content was the issue that caused the revert.
Thank you, Jeremy Dawson — Preceding unsigned comment added by NASTDawson (talk • contribs) 15:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- NASTDawson, the text you added was directly copied from the NAST website, which is under copyright. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and removes them immediately. If you do not feel like adding in the information in your own words, you can read through WP:DONATETEXT and take steps to release the existing text for release.
- As a minor note, I encourage you to read through our conflict of interest guideline, which will detail some steps you need to take regarding your affiliation with NAST. Primefac (talk) 16:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
WikiProject Rugby league
Sorry, hit the wrong button.
Was about to comment, I think if you view two of the members recent history things may be clearer. Doctorhawkes (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Doctorhawkes, no worries, it happens. If I hadn't been mindlessly refreshing to see the notification pop up I suspect you would have reverted it before I even know what was going on. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Edit notice
When you get the chance, can you be bothered to adjust the relevant edit notice to be more in line with this? I can't touch it. GMGtalk 10:32, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not firing on all cylinders this morning, which edit notice am I editing? Primefac (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Regarding Lotte Hotels & Resorts
Primefac, sorry but I don't understand your reversion of my revert at Lotte Hotels & Resorts. I reverted vandalism [2], where anon user edited "[[South Korean]]" link to "[[South Korea]]n". Although it doesn't seem to make any cosmetic change in the Wiki, it clearly was covert vandalism. I presume Matthew hk mistakenly reverted my reversion thus I incorrectly suspected him of socking, and I admit I was wrong with that, but it doesn't seem such an edit is necessary for me to assume good faith on the part of the original anon editor. Thus I don't see how you should be reverting my revision. Hope you can clarify, Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 18:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Optakeover, you did nothing of the sort. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but South Korean is a disambiguation page, which is not a suitable target for a wikilink referring to a country. When dealing with such names (such as American or French) we link to the country of origin. The proper way is to use the normal wikilinking syntax to add an "n" on to South Korea to make South Korean. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- I accept your explanation. My apologies for my mistakes. Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 18:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
process of a Page in deletion debate.
Hey Primefac, i saw your message about the procees of deletion. Could you explain further how the process works. I tried to initiate contact with the person who requested a delete for a page i watch but no response even after 4 days. I know that after 7 days a page gets automatically deleted. Since no debate is possible if the other person doesnt answer, how can this be solved. I am pretty certain the deletion request is not correct in this case atleast. Do you have any advice for me sir?Sebastiannrk (talk) 16:46, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sebastiannrk, a few things. First, an AFD does not mean that after seven days a page is "automatically deleted", it simply means that we give a week's time in order for interested contributors to comment on the page. Second, the editors who nominate pages for deletion do not always have the time or ability to respond to every comment left at a deletion discussion.
- I think that you have made some valid points at the discussion. After a week, an administrator will review the discussion and determine whether to delete the page, keep it, or relist the discussion to allow for more input. At this exact moment I think this discussion would be relisted, but there are still three days left before that decision needs to be made. Thank you for your questions, and please let me know if you have any others. Primefac (talk) 16:56, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).
- Longhair • Megalibrarygirl • TonyBallioni • Vanamonde93
- Allen3 • Eluchil404 • Arthur Rubin • Bencherlite
- The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team is creating an "Interaction Timeline" tool that intends to assist administrators in resolving user conduct disputes. Feedback on the concept may be posted on the talk page.
- A new function is now available to edit filter managers that will make it easier to look for multiple strings containing spoofed text.
- Eligible editors will be invited to submit candidate statements for the 2017 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 12 until November 21. Voting will begin on November 27 and last until December 10.
- Following a request for comment, Ritchie333, Yunshui and Ymblanter will serve as the Electoral Commission for the 2017 ArbCom Elections.
- The Wikipedia community has recently learned that Allen3 (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as JohnCD. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.
Please look into this.
Hi, Primefac.
Please I want your view and advise on this. User Doc James an adminstrator I have respect for, incorrectly deleted the page Nalaka Gunawansa (you will see the URL of the copyright violation). I tried discussing it with him amicably twice but no success, Each time I talk, he speciously kept derailing the topic with unrelated topic or accusations on me but unwilling to accept that copying within Wikipedia cannot be deleted via G12. At sometime he will made many replies before I made to confuse me, another time he will say I am accepting promotional stuff in AFC, there is time he said, one reference is not well sourced, (until now I can't figure the dot between not well sourced and what I wanted to discuss) he is completely unwilling to discuss why he tagged page with CSD G12 (because he saw in mainspace and draft) and subsequently deleted it and intimidating the person the called his attention to it. I want you to help me look into these:
1. I know I am not perfect, I do mistake, but I declined more than 100 AFC submission while accepted only less than 20. But this admin in his attempt to intimidate me, he kept repeating I am only accepting "promotional stuff" Please look into my move log, if among the articles I accepted mostly are promotional (as he kept saying), delete them all and remove my access to the script. I believe AFC project is bigger than any user. Note: On 30th October, he sent me private email, with his best example of my "promotional stuff" here is what he sent Jack Ogden (jewellery historian).
2. Explain to him that copying within Wikipedia (within drafts too) is not unambiguous copyright infringement and cannot be deleted via CSD G12 as per as we respect what the CSD 12 policy says. If I am wrong, please correct me. Note: after the deletion, he may have restored it and deleted it again with append "without attribution". I suspect this because my comment for him to restore it was made at "06:16, 30 October 2017 (UTC)" exactly, but now the deletion log, shows it was deleted at "06:35, 30 October 2017", that's "19 minutes" after my comment. Well, it is obvious, I cannot request restoring of what's not deleted. But my curiosity is why both deletions where not shown in the log. Still, his no attribution alibi is not covered in G12, I gave gave him example of admin who restored content copied within Wikipedia, Instead to reply on that he repeated his newfound phrase "promotional stuff"
3. Here is the talkpage of the author of both drafts. It has related questions and answer. Here is section of my talkpage with related answer to question for the author. [[User talk:Doc James#Deletion and CSD G12 criterion| Here is my attempt to discuss with Doc James which he speciously kept derailing despite assurance to discuss what he want in different thread.
4. I've no relationship with the page or author of whatever nature and don't bother whether it is restored or deleted. But I've great worry for deletion summarily with wrong criterion and attempted failure to show that like what policy say doesn't matter, or even if it is wrong he used it and ready to use any alibi to derail the attempt to show him he did wrong. Also worried with his persistent attempt to intimidate me, (even in email) (which he never complain on my talkpage), but only when I've shown him something wrong he did.
5. In his reply today 2, November, he claimed the drafts were created by socks, and the first draft was rejected. Well, when I accepted it I have no knowledge that similar draft was rejected. And from my conversation with the author he is newbie with two accounts. (You can see that in link to his talk above). Unless Checkuser result shows otherwise, he didn't do any wrong with the accounts, that will make me suspect him. And I only know that he control both after he answered my questions (linked above). Also when Doc James deleted the page, he knew not this either, he only deleted it because he saw it in another draft. And this is of course wrong, but he is reluctant to accept it.
6. I know this maybe too long, but it is only done to link to all relevant things for your convenience. Thanks — Ammarpad (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Ammarpad: (talk page stalker) Seriously, I think it's better to write an e-mail or post in WP:AN/WP:AN/I if you are going to complain about multiple admins, with multiple admins. What kind of response were you expecting here or here? Alex Shih (talk) 01:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Alex Shih: I am sorry Alex, if you're offended. But this is legitimate concern if indeed you read it all at content value not its "longish face". It concerns AFC and they happened the same time, I am not the one who make them so. And if you look at his talkpage somebody has already told him and he accepted what I persistently tried but he evaded. I will withdraw it after I am sure you see it. To @Primefac: I am sorry for posting what have no value (while I knew not) on your talkpage. — Ammarpad (talk) 02:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to look into this yet, but please don't assume that it has no value. I'll look into the matter. Primefac (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)- Okay, Ammarpad, I've looked into this a bit. I think there were some valid points made on both sides. From the "G12" perspective, traditionally copy/paste page moves within enwiki (without attribution) are not allowed, but generally they're either histmerged or G6'd. However, Doc James is not wrong in deleting it as G12. Also, given that there doesn't appear to much in the way of significant improvements of the newer version, there really wasn't much reason to restore/histmerge.
- You're throwing around a rather serious accusation that Doc James has somehow done something improper or shady with regards to how he handled this situation. As far as the "time" issue from point #2, he made the deletion at 05:35 while you made your post at 06:16. I'm guessing your time zone settings were showing a disconnect between server time and your local time. There was nothing untoward about his actions in that respect.
- I think overall there is simply nothing to do in this situation. I do, however, suggest taking in some of the concerns raised regarding your reviewing into consideration; there's nothing wrong with receiving criticism (constructive or not) about one's editing practice. Even if you don't change your habits, you at least know that someone has an opinion about what you're doing.
- If you still really do feel that Doc James is doing something improper, then you should take Alex Shih's advice and go to WP:AN, because there's nothing I can (or will) do about it.
- If in the future you have concerns or questions about any part of your experience with the AFC process, I would ask that you post on the AFC noticeboard. I ask this because not only will it allow other admins to weigh in on the issue, but also it will give other AFC reviewers an opportunity to see how these situations can/should be handled in the future. Primefac (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Alex Shih: I am sorry Alex, if you're offended. But this is legitimate concern if indeed you read it all at content value not its "longish face". It concerns AFC and they happened the same time, I am not the one who make them so. And if you look at his talkpage somebody has already told him and he accepted what I persistently tried but he evaded. I will withdraw it after I am sure you see it. To @Primefac: I am sorry for posting what have no value (while I knew not) on your talkpage. — Ammarpad (talk) 02:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- The primary issue is that (1) there was already a submission to AfC which was declined (2) a second creation of the exact same content as a new AfC looks like a simple attempt to disregard the first decline. You add to that that the content was promotional and poorly referenced and the 2nd account copied from the first (socking or copyright problems) that is enough to qualify it for deletion. It is not simply copying within WP, there are a bunch of problems. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Requesting to restore page Syed Hasan Askari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Hasan_Askari)
Dear Primefac: Kindly assist in restoring the page Syed Hasan Askari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Hasan_Askari) which I created earlier with the help of several wikipedia editors. This page has been recently deleted due to copyright issue per the message received below. . In reality, I also created the FB page of https://www.facebook.com/professorsyedhasanaskari therefore it should not be in violation of copyright. Due to this reason, requesting you to restore the page Syed Hasan Askari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Hasan_Askari) at your earliest possible convenience. Thanks in advance!
Reference: Wikimedia Commons <wiki@wikimedia.org> Primefac left a message on your talk page in "File:1. Prof Askari 05 09 2016.jpg". File:1. Prof Askari 05 09 2016.jpg has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Wikimedia Commons This page has been deleted. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference. • 16:22, 2 November 2017 Primefac (talk | contribs) deleted page Syed Hasan Askari (G11, G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://www.facebook.com/professorsyedhasanaskari/posts/1744203005801902:2 (TW)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedahmerraza (talk • contribs)
- Unfortunately pages written on Facebook are copyrighted, and even though you may have written the original version the copyright still exists. You are welcome to recreate the page, but you will need to rewrite it entirely. Primefac (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Tag deletion
Hi primefac, I'd be pleased to know about tag deletion from Draft:Yishaan Varma Aarveti. I feel the draft does not contain appropriate references. As it didn't contain even a single reference that could be considered reliable, I thought it would be better to get it deleted under 'promoting a person' tag. I have read on a few Wikipedia pages that BLP with unreliable sources should be removed immediately, though I doubt if that is applicable for drafts as well, and unfortunately I was unable to find a better tag than G11 for this. I feel I would have done a BLP PROD if it was there for drafts. I'll appreciate if you can improve my approach on this. Thanks! Simranpreet singh (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Simranpreet singh, the G11 tag is (I feel) a bit over-used, especially on Draft pages. The point of the Draft space is for new users to work on pages and get them to an acceptable point. Obviously, there will be some drafts that will never be acceptable, but being slightly promotional isn't really a reason to delete something outright.
- My general rule (as a G11-patrolling admin) is to focus on the "would require a substantial rewrite" clause of the G11 tag. In reading through the page I saw that obviously there would need to be better references, but it wasn't so bad that it couldn't be easily rewritten to remove some of the promotional language. If I looked at a page and went "well, I'm going to have to remove 95% of the article leaving just the opening sentence" then it would be G11-worthy.
- You've asked a good question, though, and if you have any others (or want to discuss this further) I'm happy to chat. Primefac (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, mate. Considering the fact that the draft didn't contain a single reliable source and the person mentioned was not of much significance (as no such coverage was found anywhere on the web or in the news), what good could have done to it? Simranpreet singh (talk) 16:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know, I probably could have ignored the rules and just deleted it as G11 anyway (and if it were in Article space I probably would have done so). The issue becomes one of balancing the reviewer's time with the creator's time. It could very well be that the subject is notable per our guidelines, but the creator just messed it up by not including the "right" sources. Not G11'ing the page means that they still have an opportunity to show this without requiring them to rewrite everything. On the other hand, it's not the reviewers job to make sure that a draft (as submitted) is actually one of these "sleepers". This is why MFD is a good option for a "never gonna work" page, and is a little more enforceable when the creator invariably complains. Primefac (talk) 16:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, mate. Considering the fact that the draft didn't contain a single reliable source and the person mentioned was not of much significance (as no such coverage was found anywhere on the web or in the news), what good could have done to it? Simranpreet singh (talk) 16:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Account Creator Permission in active by your command
Hi user Primeface
I noticed that each time that i try using my "account creator" permission . The system do pop up a message see it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount. Therefore, it been difficult using the right to create for group people during our meet up. Kindly help me out. Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 10:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Olaniyan Olushola, I'll be honest, I've never dealt with ACC so I cannot help you. I will throw out a ping @Chrissymad, Dane, DatGuy, and Drewmutt: they all have the perm and I've worked with them before. Primefac (talk) 15:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Editor of the Week
Greetings! You did some fantastic work at Editor of the Week, back in June, that made everything about creating and distributing the actual Award so much easier. In preparation for next year, I wonder if it wouldn't be too much to ask if you could create (when you get a chance) the "#if exist" in the Hall of Fame designations for the year 2018. Thanks so much for all your efforts on behalf of EotW. ―Buster7 ☎ 15:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sure thing Buster7. What's the first date the award will be presented? Also, as a note, I used the #ifexist when I rewrote the page so that one didn't need to go through and edit the list every time a new award was given out ;) Primefac (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
RfC on the username policy
The RfC on WT:U has now been closed with the entirety of the proposed text inserted into the policy page. I still think that the text has its shortcomings, particularly not being specific enough as to which characters are actually allowed (List of writing systems does not currently link to Arabic numerals, which technically means they aren't allowed even though Egyptian and Maya hieroglyphs are?), the direct use of live Wikipedia articles instead of defining the policy on groups of characters or Unicode blocks, and the "decorative" thing which would be more useful if it were clarified to be more specific or were changed to a ban on some combinations of diacritics with non-letters and multiple combining diacritics.
Is it worth the time to make another RfC to amend these things, given that the policy would obviously be looked at with common sense and that the issue almost never comes up with non-emoji usernames anyway? Should the policy be amended? I probably wouldn't write it since I don't think I have the time for it right now. Jc86035 (talk) 03:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think further discussion would be useful at this stage. I suppose WP:C and WP:NLT are exceptions, but generally nothing at Wikipedia is spelled out in glorious detail (not bureaucracy). A key point is that any action against a name that is considered to violate the new policy should occur in a gentle way, with persuasion before sanctions are considered. Let's see what happens. If examples occur where the new wording is inadequate, the issue can be dealt with then. If a new account is created with a name that looks as if it has been devised to test the boundaries of the new policy, that new account should get a sharp response IMHO. On the other hand, if a user whose name is nothing but a symbol comes along, and it turns out that user has a thousand productive edits at other projects, we should take more time to see what might be done. Johnuniq (talk) 04:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Salina Vortex Corporation
When explaining the company's international presence, is it advised to still list country names without using flags/grandeur, or is it best to leave country names ambiguous and avoid using bulleted lists? Thanks for the help Ltc1993 (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Ltc1993, when a company is in 80+ countries, it's not necessary to list all of them, but maybe give a few of them? Something along the lines of "...80 countries, including those in Europe, Africa, and Asia" - it shows (in general) where the companies are located, without bogging us down about every specific one. Primefac (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Great advice. Thanks, Primefac!Ltc1993 (talk) 17:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Two questions...
- If we raised the bar for AfC reviewers to include either a minumum of 2 articles created or autopatrolled rights plus 1000 edits, it would reduce our work load at NPP and AfD, would it not?
- If I promote an article to mainspace from the AfC queue, is it automatically marked as NPR patrolled or is that what is being discussed now re: combining the two? Atsme📞📧 18:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Personally I already do that (check their creation history, talk page, etc), which is why it sometimes takes a while to get someone approved.
- Unless an NPR/admin marks a draft as patrolled, it still needs to be patrolled by an NPR after it is approved. This is what the discussion is about currently, because some feel that removing that second check is an acceptable course of action in order to reduce the backlog. Primefac (talk) 18:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- TY. Atsme📞📧 19:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)@Atsme:If the 1st proposal is strictly implemented, I will be prob. immediately shown the door from any matters related to AFC. And autopatrolled....Sigh....Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 04:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- No way, Godric. You've got more than enough edits, and you already have NPP user rights and lots of good experience. Admins would still have the discretion to make allowances and judgement calls based on an editors performance but I have seen a few articles in mainspace that passed NPP which will in all likelihood end up at AfD or possibly back into Draft. That's what motivated my questions here about raising the bar. Atsme📞📧 05:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Well AfC is not going to be perfect. It depends on the proportion that get AfDed or PRODed, and right now it is about 1 Afd and 1 PROD a day, which is not that much. Hardly a workload decrease but would remove many many reviewers from AfC, which is struggling with backlog. Also why does the bar have to be higher than that of to get NPR? Galobtter (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- No way, Godric. You've got more than enough edits, and you already have NPP user rights and lots of good experience. Admins would still have the discretion to make allowances and judgement calls based on an editors performance but I have seen a few articles in mainspace that passed NPP which will in all likelihood end up at AfD or possibly back into Draft. That's what motivated my questions here about raising the bar. Atsme📞📧 05:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)@Atsme:If the 1st proposal is strictly implemented, I will be prob. immediately shown the door from any matters related to AFC. And autopatrolled....Sigh....Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 04:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- TY. Atsme📞📧 19:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Some help...
Can you reverse the move at this edit by a non-experienced promotional-editor in light of the thread at User talk:Davykamanzi#Articles moved to draftspace.Regards:)Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 04:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Looks like it's already been dealt with. Primefac (talk) 12:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, this has been resolved.And thanks for the lightning-quick action at User talk:Vishnuvardhana.Regards:)Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 16:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Request on 13:56:12, 8 November 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Thomasmurrell
- Thomasmurrell (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Mary Wigg ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Mary Wigg has passed away now. So I'm not sure this is possible. Who would be a person who could do more research? An arts editor based in South Australia? I'm sure there is information in the public domain but it is pre-internet.
Thomasmurrell (talk) 13:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thomasmurrell, pre-internet sources are perfectly acceptable for use on Wikipedia. If you do not know anyone who lives in Australia, you might want to contact the folks over at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board and see if you can get some help with that. Primefac (talk) 14:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
User User:HASHEM KOTBY and User:6G PROJECT are possibly the same editor due to their userpage content. --Marvellous Spider-Man 16:13, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
PROD on Pando v. Fernandez.
Hi, I removed your Prod on Pando v. Fernandez. It was put back with various incorrect claims twice by an editor whose username matches the defendant in the case, I have left a comment on the talk page there and warned the user, but as it was your PROD to begin with I thought it best to bring it to your attention. The issue does not seem to have reoccurred after my warnings so no further action is obviously needed at this point. Dysklyver 13:13, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Extended confirmed
I don't understand which ones of my edits are counted as "not legitimate". I'd be happy to receive an explanation of why you removed my extended confirmed status and how excacly I can conduct "legitimate" edits. Mr. Dodo'sss (talk) 17:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- That section of the notice was part of the "some of your edits may have been deleted", and since none of your edits were deleted they should not necessarily be considered "illegitimate".
- I removed your EC status because you created an account, made no edits for a month, and then proceeded to make 500 edits in three days on one page. Following your confirmation of EC status you immediately rolled back a bunch of edits made to EC pages. This is what we call "very suspicious". Primefac (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- First of all, I made 500 edits on ca 10 pages, not one. Second of all, you're right – I made this account over a month ago. The edits I rolled back to were made less than a week ago, so how could I possibly have created an account for the soul purpose of rolling back to edits that weren't even made yet? Plus, the only reason I restored those versions at all is because I looked in to the sources listed and they are actually factually correct.
- Also, you still haven't answered how I can get my extended back. My edits on protected pages were deleted, but I've still made over 500 very useful edits on non-protected pages, including updating a whole list of countries' populations to Nobel prizes, reinforcing already existant and adding new entities to the lists, adding info & illustration about new research in quantum mechanics, etc.
- So, what more do I need to do to become extended again? Mr. Dodo'sss (talk) 17:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) My only question is - why are you so desperate to become extended confirmed? Galobtter (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Pfft, how am I the one stalking you when you're the one who removed my rights and then told me to contact you here in the first place? I'm not desperate, I just care about restoring (and adding more) correct information, which I am unable to do right now. Mr. Dodo'sss (talk) 17:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, the {{tps}} comment was from someone else who is watching my talk page. Please make sure you check the signatures left at the end of comments.
- As for your question - please feel free to continue editing Wikipedia. If you see incorrect information on an EC-protected page, you should make a request on the talk page using {{EPER}}. I have zero issues reinstating your EC status, but so far all I see is a quick succession of suspicious activity. The only thing that will alleviate that is to continue editing Wikipedia productively. Primefac (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Pfft, how am I the one stalking you when you're the one who removed my rights and then told me to contact you here in the first place? I'm not desperate, I just care about restoring (and adding more) correct information, which I am unable to do right now. Mr. Dodo'sss (talk) 17:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
My apologies, I'll make sure to check who's writing what in the future.
I'm happy to continue editing Wikipedia, but many articles within my area of expertise are now locked for me. So unless you wanna fact-check (which I have already done) the info that you rolled back, I'd suggest you reinstating my status. Mr. Dodo'sss (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I am Chris I just want to recreate the page called Mayestron (rapper) which you deleted on the 22 February, 2017. The article was created by Papamayani which is now already banned on Wikipedia. I just contact you because the page told me if I want to recreate it, I need first contact you, that why I contacted you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrislogan (talk • contribs) 22:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Chrislogan, I think you have the wrong admin. I never edited, deleted, or otherwise had anything to do with that page. You might want to contact either GB fan or Deb, as they were the two that most recently deleted it. You might also be able to convince There'sNoTime to un-salt the page, but I think you're best off creating a draft using the Article wizard, as it will be reviewed by experienced editors and will be less likely to be immediately deleted. Primefac (talk) 22:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
______ Hello,
I'm iteemh 11/13
Can you please create a redirect page for "Ghalib Alhinai" to "Ghalib bin Ali" as I am not sure how to do that. The last time I tried to do it, I was warned for creating a new page for the same person. I do not want to fall in the same trap again. Please help me do this correctly this time. Or, kindly change the title of the page "Ghalib bin Ali" to "Ghalib Alhinai" as this is the correct format and representation of the person, first name then last.
Your support is highly appreciated.
Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iteemh (talk • contribs) 23:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Iteemh, I'm genuinely not sure what the proper title of the page should be. If you want to change it to a different/better title, you should go to Talk:Ghalib bin Ali and start a Move Request (see WP:RM#CM). A Move Request gives people the opportunity to provide input onto a potentially controversial page move. If you need assistance with this task please let me know. Primefac (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for the help Primefac. I have made this request to the "talk", but I am not entirely sure how this will work out. So who gets to make the decision? Is the vote made by any person or does it come from specifically assigned people? Also, I kindly need your support in knowing how to file a complain on an administrator on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iteemh (talk • contribs) 14:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- (Iteemh (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC))
- Iteemh, I see you have done the move request properly, and so now other editors will be notified of the request and discuss the situation. An RM runs for a minimum of a week, though sometimes it can take longer if there is a lack of consensus. At the end of a week or two, an uninvolved editor will assess the consensus and close the discussion appropriately.
- As far as "complaining" about another editors conduct: the first best place to discuss the issue is with the editor themselves. If that doesn't work, and if it is a content issue, then a discussion should take place at the article's talk page or at DRN. If it is a behavioural or systemic issue, then it should be brought to WP:ANI. Please note this final option should be viewed as a "last resort" as there are many less toxic ways of dealing with situations. Primefac (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- (Iteemh (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC))
- Thank you Primefac for your support. Helping me out by explaining the proper way of editing has helped me avoid making the same mistake again. I appreciate it. As for complaining about another editor, I have already written to the person directly but so far, there is no reply; I will wait and see. Thanks again! All the best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iteemh (talk • contribs) 14:53, 13 November 2017 (UTC)`
Plant taxonomy templates
I note that you recently protected a whole series of Plant taxonomic templates without any discussion at WP:PLANTS. We are scheduled to begin a massive update of bryophyte and pteridophyte taxonomy based on recent papers, and our members do not have template editing access. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:57, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- EncycloPetey, I misread the initial request for protection. I will drop the protection to semi. Tom.Reding, I think you just broke my record for "fastest note concerning an administrative change"... Primefac (talk) 00:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry! (not sorry!) ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 01:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- Addendum here. It's quite big though, just over 1 MB... Let me know if you need me to split the page up. Thanks! ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 18:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Thanks on behalf of harassed editors everywhere. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2017 (UTC) |
Adding empty sections
Hi Primefac. I noticed you were the one who closed this discussion and I was wondering if there ever was an RFC or some other form of consensus about removing empty sections, and even more precisely, creating them. I'm asking because of an editor who systematically adds empty sections to hundreds of articles, which seems pointless to me, but I can't quote any policy against it. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)