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Photo of Christine Elliott
Hi there,
I have noticed their has been a photo of Ontario PC Leadership Candidate and Deputy Leader, Christine Elliott uploaded. I was wondering if you could please edit the image File:Christine Elliott Campaign Launch.jpg by cropping the sides, and the top. So that it could fit better into articles and be more useful. Thanks, Qaqwewew
- Done; see File:Christine Elliott Campaign Launch cropped.jpg. NW (Talk) 02:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Photo of Randy Hillier
Hi there,
Not to be a pest or anything but since you've been so helpful. I have noticed their has been a photo of Ontario PC Leadership Candidate Randy Hillier uploaded. I was wondering if you could please edit the image File:Randy Hillier.jpg by cropping the sides, and the top. So that it could fit better into articles and be more useful. Thanks, Qaqwewew
- Done; see File:Randy Hillier cropped.JPG. For anything else, could you please ask at the Graphics Lab? Thanks. NW (Talk) 02:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Razhel Gee Mengullo
Hi NW. I was just looking at contributions for Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jmcw37 and came across Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Razhel Gee Mengullo which ended "no consensus". I was then surprised to find that Razhel Gee Mengullo had been later been deleted by you for an expired PROD. Polargeo (talk) 11:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Room for one more?
Hi NW. I saw on the SPI Clerk page that you wrote new clerks are needed and I was wondering if I could help out too. Elockid (Talk·Contribs) 01:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think you'd be a great fit. Could you pop a note on the Clerks' noticeboard to make sure no one else has any objections? Thanks. NW (Talk) 01:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Alexcas11: International Man of Mystery
The last checkuser did uncover a link to other socks. I was a bit surprised about the IPs connected, as any of the IPs that I ever found that were Alexcas-ish (same style and linking to deleted Alexcas articles) were Mexican ISPs, but the related IPs in the sock reports that are now in the Alexcas fold are US based ones. Darn, not only is he a pest, but it looks like he gets to travel :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oooh, not fun. Dealt with the most recent batch of articles, but I dislike this new development :( NW (Talk) 22:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Hmm
This edit- User is blocked for socking around a 3RR block. This seems like openly stating his intention to flex WP:VANISH despite his active block. --King Öomie 18:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I see that you locked the Brian Leiter entry. Do you believe that my edits were false or poorly sourced, or did you simply lock it to slow down the edit warring? If the former, then I'd like to discuss that with you. If the latter, then I would appreciate your okay for me to change it back. Jeanbaptistemuiron (talk) 18:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which IP you were using, but if you were the one adding this information, I am afraid adding controversial information to an biography of a living person, attributed solely to blogs and Urban Dictionary, is a violation of our biographies of living persons policy.
Feel free to discuss anything you wish with me though. NW (Talk) 18:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, that is the information I wanted added. I would first like to differentiate between using a blog as a source of factual information, and using a blog to cite the opinions of the bloggers.
- Example: if the entry reads, "Miss Piggy loves Kermit", and the source is some fansite or fan's blog, then I would agree that this is not acceptable as a reference.
- On the other hand, if the entry reads, "Miss Piggy loves Kermit", and the source is Miss Piggy's own blog, then wouldn't you agree that this is permissible? That is, blogs may be taken as evidence of the opinions of their writers.
- In this particular case, Brian Leiter has been involved in some very high profile spats with other public intellectuals, and the record of that is contained mostly in his own blog. Furthermore, I also included an article in the National Review as a source, which whatever you think about it politically, is not a "blog". Thanks for your time and consideration.Jeanbaptistemuiron (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The NR link is this: [1] Jeanbaptistemuiron (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The way that the material was added was inappropriate. I'm not sure if you are part of this dispute with Mr. Leiter or not, but this situation is in no way, shape, or form unique or even uncommon among professors. Any such sources on this dispute need to indicate that this is a significant and notable controversy; this will be indicated through the presence of multiple, reliable secondary sources, not just one and a couple of blogs. NW (Talk) 21:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have never met nor corresponded with nor had any personal contact whatsoever with Leiter at any time ever. Nor have I met, corresponded with, or had any personal contact whatsoever with his disputants. His very public nastiness however is undeniably the most salient part of his public persona, to the extent that he has one. I have no doubt that there is sufficient evidence to support my claim that these are significant disputes. What would you consider a sufficient threshold for "multiple, reliable" secondary sources? If I include such citation, would you be willing to reverse your decision to blank out the section? And you will note again that one of my sources was a nationally distributed print newspaper. Do you consider that a reliable secondary source? Should I just find more like that?Jeanbaptistemuiron (talk) 21:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- A single freelance publication from the National Review is certainly not significant enough. It can be used as an example of a dispute, but more is required first. Multiple major publications, from something major such as the Chicago Tribune or the Chicago Sun-Times (for examples of Chicago-based papers), would definitely be preferred to show that this is a significant dispute, worth of mention in an encyclopedia article about the man's life. NW (Talk) 21:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have never met nor corresponded with nor had any personal contact whatsoever with Leiter at any time ever. Nor have I met, corresponded with, or had any personal contact whatsoever with his disputants. His very public nastiness however is undeniably the most salient part of his public persona, to the extent that he has one. I have no doubt that there is sufficient evidence to support my claim that these are significant disputes. What would you consider a sufficient threshold for "multiple, reliable" secondary sources? If I include such citation, would you be willing to reverse your decision to blank out the section? And you will note again that one of my sources was a nationally distributed print newspaper. Do you consider that a reliable secondary source? Should I just find more like that?Jeanbaptistemuiron (talk) 21:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The way that the material was added was inappropriate. I'm not sure if you are part of this dispute with Mr. Leiter or not, but this situation is in no way, shape, or form unique or even uncommon among professors. Any such sources on this dispute need to indicate that this is a significant and notable controversy; this will be indicated through the presence of multiple, reliable secondary sources, not just one and a couple of blogs. NW (Talk) 21:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd like some advice. I've tried to apply some subheaders to the thread in order to make it more manageable and readable, but Tbsdy has reverted them. I feel he is possibly deliberately trying to keep the thread confusing to look at, because that would benefit him. I know WP:AGF and all, but still, the thread could use some organization. What should I do? Equazcion (talk) 20:44, 13 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- I'd also like to basically hide the mess of irrelevant exchanges Tbsdy facilitated, as I feel they muddy the thread and further confuse potential outside commenters. I'm hesitant to do this myself. Do you think you could, using your own discretion, clean up the thread of any irrelevance, however you see fit? Equazcion (talk) 20:55, 13 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- Sigh, that's not the case here, seriously. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Sorry NW, I tried a compromise to try to implement your suggestion, which is to leave the article alone but do some copyediting and fact checking later on when Giano was finished, but even that wasn't working. Honestly, I did try! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- What happened there is what I knew would happen there, if we moved the discussion: Tbsdy pitched a fit, muddied the waters, and someone closed it with no result. He wins, and lives to harass Giano, and cause chaos at Talk:Blenheim Palace another day. He has made it clear that he's not stopping, as he thinks he's done nothing wrong, NW. How does archiving the entire proposal with no action (as opposed to collapsing his off-topic rants) help the current situation? It just puts it off on another day, instead of dealing with it today. Scottaka UnitAnode 21:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I actually was willing to make a compromise, I was willing to discuss if further, but then you started your ban proceedings and well, that conversation was somewhat derailed. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tell us now, then, what exact concessions you're willing to make in compromise. Equazcion (talk) 21:20, 13 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- Helps to read the thread on the talk page, Equazcion. The thread title is confusingly entitled "A compromise". You did read this before you supported my ban, right? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The thread was "confusingly titled", since you didn't do anything remotely resembling a "compromise", but rather made a list of ultimatums. No editors who have commented there have supported your distorted view of the situation. Scottaka UnitAnode 21:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Helps to read the thread on the talk page, Equazcion. The thread title is confusingly entitled "A compromise". You did read this before you supported my ban, right? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tell us now, then, what exact concessions you're willing to make in compromise. Equazcion (talk) 21:20, 13 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- I actually was willing to make a compromise, I was willing to discuss if further, but then you started your ban proceedings and well, that conversation was somewhat derailed. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
No one is in the proper mood to deal with it today. In 24 hours (or so), this particular dispute will be behind us, and we can try from scratch to build a proper consensus as to what should happen at that article. We can afford to let things lie for 24 hours; the wiki won't explode if we do. But if we are going to let sleeping dogs lie, then we actually have to try. Could you all please disengage from this entire topic for the next little while?? Thanks. NW (Talk) 21:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- As long as Tbsdy leaves Giano alone, and leaves that article talkpage in peace, I have no problem doing so. Scottaka UnitAnode 21:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I never caused the consternation on that talk page. Seriously, the only one making personal attacks and being incivil was Giano! I even managed to have a very civil discussion with others about the infobox, and though I'm not entirely convinced I agreed with the editors that an infobox is not required. I didn't take a ban proposal, I didn't make rude comments about other's ability, I didn't intimidate other editors like I saw Giano do (the guy literally told Giano that he was stepping down, but Giano hounded him at his user talk page with insults!) and I certainly didn't try to ban anyone from making constructive comments or say that I would refuse to work with another editor on the article.
- I have asked a few people now to show me precisely where I was causing trouble, and so far nobody has been able to provide any evidence that I have been. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- As long as Tbsdy leaves Giano alone, and leaves that article talkpage in peace, I have no problem doing so. Scottaka UnitAnode 21:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Given that they just tried to ban me, this is a bit of an ask. However, I'm really about to drop so sure :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm up for waiting 24 hours, if that's the consensus... I'm honestly not sure a break period will help matters, but I'm willing to do it, if everyone else thinks it's the way to go. Equazcion (talk) 21:33, 13 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- If at first you don't succeed, try, try again, huh? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)