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I should probably apologize for my comment, even figuratively speaking it was incredibly insulting and I shouldn't pop off at the mouth like that. I think you missed the mark on the comment when it was originally made but damn it I could do better in communication sometime, either way it was out of line on my part. [[User:Hell in a Bucket|Hell in a Bucket]] ([[User talk:Hell in a Bucket|talk]]) 04:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC) |
I should probably apologize for my comment, even figuratively speaking it was incredibly insulting and I shouldn't pop off at the mouth like that. I think you missed the mark on the comment when it was originally made but damn it I could do better in communication sometime, either way it was out of line on my part. [[User:Hell in a Bucket|Hell in a Bucket]] ([[User talk:Hell in a Bucket|talk]]) 04:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You took a stand for me [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Seabhcan/Proposed_decision#Comments_on_proposed_decision here] before you were on the committee. That sure a long time ago by Wiki standards, (by any standards actually). It may have been the most acrimonious case up to that point, but seems like small potatoes compared to some that have come along since, and you have been a guiding light of fairness and decency through them all. I thank you for your dedicated service at arbcom and for Wikipedia. [[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 05:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Resolution
Dear Newyorkbrad, please see this polite request, and provide a positive thoughtful response there, if you have one. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC).
Court decision citing Wikipedia articles about Hasidic Judaism and Chabad
See Lubovitch-Chabad House of Illinois, Inc. v. Northwestern University, decided today by the Seventh Circuit. Opinion by Judge Posner and a short concurrence by Judge Bauer. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- I would be lying if I didn't admit that made me a little uneasy, knowing we often have articles vandalized or in the middle of POV wars. I'm sure the article wasn't a deciding factor, but it still raises the bar on accountability when any US Court of Appeals uses us as a source. Dennis - 2¢ 01:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- It is funny that the section they're citing has no single reference to a reliable source. 117.27.245.98 (talk) 02:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oy vey. What next? Wikipedia-guided surgery? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- If by Wikipedia-guided surgery, you mean that a surgeon might provide patients with a list of background sources to use in learning more about their disease, and that such a list might include Wikipedia articles. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if some doctors already recommend Wikipedia to their patients. (Whether or not they should do so is a separate question.) But neither such hypothetical doctors, not the judges in this case seem to be relying on Wikipedia to guide their actions. Rather the judges simply seem to be suggesting Wikipedia as a way to learn more about a topic peripherally relevant to the case. Incidentally, Judge Posner, the author of the opinion in this case has a long history of citing Wikipedia, [1][2]. and his Seventh circuit does so far more often than other appeals courts (as of 2012) [3]. Dragons flight (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- That is still true. See here for some more sources on courts citing Wikipedia, a subject on which there is now a fair amount of literature. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've had patient relatives cite something on they read wikipedia to me when discussing treatment options, and one of my colleagues saw my name pop up on a medical article on a smartphone as at the top it said "last edited by Casliber" which doesn't happen in the desktop display. Interesting times....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- That is still true. See here for some more sources on courts citing Wikipedia, a subject on which there is now a fair amount of literature. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- If by Wikipedia-guided surgery, you mean that a surgeon might provide patients with a list of background sources to use in learning more about their disease, and that such a list might include Wikipedia articles. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if some doctors already recommend Wikipedia to their patients. (Whether or not they should do so is a separate question.) But neither such hypothetical doctors, not the judges in this case seem to be relying on Wikipedia to guide their actions. Rather the judges simply seem to be suggesting Wikipedia as a way to learn more about a topic peripherally relevant to the case. Incidentally, Judge Posner, the author of the opinion in this case has a long history of citing Wikipedia, [1][2]. and his Seventh circuit does so far more often than other appeals courts (as of 2012) [3]. Dragons flight (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- If I learned that my doctor is a Wikipedian, I would have changed the doctor at once.117.27.245.98 (talk) 02:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Is this really what y'all meant by the admin board ban?
This?. Some of the usual suspects are whipping themselves into an orgiastic frenzy because I dared to bring a matter to ANI. I was pretty sure that our understanding was that exceptions were possible if it was a matter in which I was personally involved...e.g. I am named in an ANI complaint or am in need of admin assistance in a case in which I have already been personally involved in, i.e. Gamergate. As I understood the intention of the topic ban, y'all wanted to get me out of admin-area topics in which i had no prior connection to. Tarc (talk) 19:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- I voted against that remedy, so someone else should probably opine on what it means. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Looking for a legal term
I came across a source discussing this, but I can't find it now, and I don't remember the magic words to search for. Someone was opining that the 4th circuit Halbig en banc review may get put on hold to see what happens with King at scotus, rather than wasting time on something that will get mooted. They had a particular term for this (waiting), but I can't remember what it was. Gaijin42 (talk) 01:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Most likely the term you want is stay. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- the magic word was abeyance Gaijin42 (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but actually "stayed" is the more common term in this context, at least in my state. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting. You are certainly orders of magnitude more of an expert in the area than I am, but my layman's interpretation of stay is to suspend a ruling that has already been made. Of course my legal knowledge is 1/2 reading cases/blogs, and 1/2 watching perry mason so my interpretation is obviously suspect. Here is the ScotusBlog entry I was looking for at the time I made my original post above. http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/delay-sought-on-health-care-at-appeals-court/ Gaijin42 (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but actually "stayed" is the more common term in this context, at least in my state. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- the magic word was abeyance Gaijin42 (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
GGTF case
I recommend you consider a change of the point on "expletives" to "profanity", which is a much more apt description. RGloucester — ☎ 18:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, but then we'd have to distinguish among profanity and vulgarity and obscenity, which to purists are three quite different things. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, "vulgarity", as I'm sure you are aware, is about being "common", "low", or "coarse". Whereas "profanity", as I'm sure you're aware, is about being disrespectful or irreverent. Hence, I think it is quite clear that "profanity" is what is at issue here, not "vulgarity". "Expletive" is not a good description of anything. RGloucester — ☎ 18:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Man, your hope that Sitush now understands that he should not write articles about editors he's in conflict with seems to be contrary to what Sitush is actually saying. See his reponse to Demiurge in ggtf talk page please! DoctorTerrella (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Latin Phrase
Quousque tandem is how the First Speech against Catilina begins: "For how long are you going to abuse our patience?" The backstory is Catilina's attempt to overthrow the Senate and assassinate Cicero the evening before. It gets only more vehement and much better further in: Ad mortem te, Catilina, duci iussu consulis iam pridem oportebat! "You should have been taken away to execution long ago!" But policital realities are against taking that path: Tum denique interficiere, cum iam nemo tam inprobus ... inveniri poterit qui id non iure factum esse fateatur. Quamdiu quisquam erit, qui te defendere audeat, vives "Only then will you lose your life when no one so criminal can be found who won't believe that it wasn't done with good cause. You will stay alive as long as you find a defender."
Wikipedia and the Roman Senate are strikingly similar. No constitution, no laws that the members are bound by, an assembly of more or less powerful people, led by force of personality.
Do ban Carol, though. 67.255.123.1 (talk)
- Yes; 67.etc but the usual takeaway from someone quoting that is simply that patience is being tried.
as far as 'Quousque' v 'Quo usque' goes, the old Romans allowed words to be run together; the two mean the same. English as she is spoke nowadays has this too, whoever, whatever, henceforth etc. The Germans love all this; some German words can be several metres long. pablo 19:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Help please
At User_talk:Worm_That_Turned#I_know_you.27re_busy.2C_but_..., I'm having trouble getting a response to my request for at least some of you on the Committee to have a look at something that happened yesterday that you may or may not find relevant to a case you're voting on as we speak. Could I ask you to have a look? Reply anywhere you like. P.S. Dennis has already "unhatted" per my request. - Dank (push to talk) 21:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've seen it and I believe other arbitrators have also. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
The statement
Sorry I wasn't able to get to it today. After seeing how the talk page has degenerated, I can understand your wish to move forward, things are quite out of control. This is the virtual version of mob violence, it is a palpable wave. I can't imagine similar outbursts against gays, blacks, Jews, ... by now the normal people would have been able to step in and revdelete everything as vandalism. Best I stop for the evening before I say something I'll regret. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 06:44, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Please post your statement as soon as you can. You should ignore anything extraneous and focus simply on the evaluation of your behavior in the proposed decision. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- I know, I know, I'm still a bit medicated and on crutches, but stepping away from the keyboard for a while seems to have helped, and I will post something tonight. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 04:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
My comment on the Proposed decision talk, and yours
Brad, I had second thoughts about speaking so unkindly to Neotarf, who is a guest in Bishzilla's pocket, and removed my post. I realize you had sort of commented on mine, or at least used my comment as a background to yours, sorry about that. I hope you don't mind. Maybe you could just change the "concur"? Bishonen | talk 00:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
- Done. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Short
Re [4], seems to me a certain arbitrator is is getting very short. NE Ent 03:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Apology
I should probably apologize for my comment, even figuratively speaking it was incredibly insulting and I shouldn't pop off at the mouth like that. I think you missed the mark on the comment when it was originally made but damn it I could do better in communication sometime, either way it was out of line on my part. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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You took a stand for me here before you were on the committee. That sure a long time ago by Wiki standards, (by any standards actually). It may have been the most acrimonious case up to that point, but seems like small potatoes compared to some that have come along since, and you have been a guiding light of fairness and decency through them all. I thank you for your dedicated service at arbcom and for Wikipedia. MONGO 05:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC) |