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GA review of 2011 NATO attack in Pakistan
2011 NATO attack in Pakistan is getting a Good Article review. Might need some quick fixes if the reviewer asks. I'm waiting for reviewer comments though. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, check out the review page then. It is on hold till the stated issues are fixed. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Lol. Cleared overnight. Now you've to get it to FA :p --lTopGunl (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Investigation reports
Ok, this was seen coming. An IP has added this section to the NATO attack article - not in very good formatting either. It was recent content without discussion but I'm not sure if I can remove it under WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, since we were already expecting that update. Maybe we should combine the reports you gave here and improve it to match the rest of the article's quality. --lTopGunl (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I've removed it for now since there are many reports from all sides and it is something more of a recentism without processing the prose. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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Filing an SPI
. All you need is to put in Kiftaan's name, and diffs from both editors showing similar edits. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link Ian. Will do shortly. Mar4d (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- No need. [1]. He's blocked now. Keep a look out for sleepers while the case is fresh. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Good decision. What a nuisance that turned out to be. Hopefully, we can now concentrate back on the interrupted work. The only positive that probably comes out of this is that if he starts this again (he's already done it three times on me), we now have irrefutable evidence which will boomerang back on him. Mar4d (talk) 04:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- No need. [1]. He's blocked now. Keep a look out for sleepers while the case is fresh. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link Ian. Will do shortly. Mar4d (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Copy of deleted article
I see that you deleted the article Journal of Pakistan Medical Students. Is it possible if I can have access to the deleted content of the article for personal use? Mar4d (talk) 02:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- (Copying the above from my talk page) I've pasted a copy to http://pastebin.com/MpPZebYX. It will expire in a day, because of copyright/attribution issues. Sandstein 08:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Pakistan studies RFC
Can you list the RFC at some neutral WP:MOS related active noticeboard? I've not been much active on project notice boards until recently myself, so don't have much idea. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't go much on noticeboards or RfC's so I don't quite have an idea as to where it could be listed. I'll try my best to look for a place though. However, isn't it just better to be bold and carry out the move? I've already given my reasons, so have you, and we've also got an admin who shares a similiar opinion. The opposing users have not made any effort to clarify their points further even after so many days, apart from pretty much repeating the same points. This is a failure and lack of willingness on their part. It is also clear that some of them have a WP:Conflict of interest there. Mar4d (talk) 13:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I know, that is exactly the case and that's why I involved an admin and called an RFC, there was no point from the start otherwise except WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Anyway, JCAla (who was not even related to the discussion) reported me for removing the content on the pretext of editwarring and I said (which got the page protected only), I'll make an edit now after a consensus. They'll just WP:NINJA revert if I move that (actually remove, since it's already there in that article). This needs to be closed with a template for them to stay off. Ok, I'll do some searches then. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- On a side note, if you really want a valuable third-party opinion, one person who I would really recommend for you to contact is User:Fowler&fowler. He's one of the most knowledgeable editors on South Asia-related topics who's contributed to heaps of Indian and Pakistani history/academic-related articles; I've often asked him to give his viewpoints in disputed content. I'm sure that (if he is willing to participate) he will provide a very neutral, balanced and logical judgement on the issue, either for or against and steer this otherwise dead discussion to some direction. Mar4d (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- That might be really helpful but inviting single users previously not involved who will (obviously) give a reasonable answer to the supporting side will be misrepresented by the opposing editors (since you know their ways) as canvassing. I'll find a noticeboard or wait for RFC comments. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- On a side note, if you really want a valuable third-party opinion, one person who I would really recommend for you to contact is User:Fowler&fowler. He's one of the most knowledgeable editors on South Asia-related topics who's contributed to heaps of Indian and Pakistani history/academic-related articles; I've often asked him to give his viewpoints in disputed content. I'm sure that (if he is willing to participate) he will provide a very neutral, balanced and logical judgement on the issue, either for or against and steer this otherwise dead discussion to some direction. Mar4d (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I know, that is exactly the case and that's why I involved an admin and called an RFC, there was no point from the start otherwise except WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Anyway, JCAla (who was not even related to the discussion) reported me for removing the content on the pretext of editwarring and I said (which got the page protected only), I'll make an edit now after a consensus. They'll just WP:NINJA revert if I move that (actually remove, since it's already there in that article). This needs to be closed with a template for them to stay off. Ok, I'll do some searches then. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't go much on noticeboards or RfC's so I don't quite have an idea as to where it could be listed. I'll try my best to look for a place though. However, isn't it just better to be bold and carry out the move? I've already given my reasons, so have you, and we've also got an admin who shares a similiar opinion. The opposing users have not made any effort to clarify their points further even after so many days, apart from pretty much repeating the same points. This is a failure and lack of willingness on their part. It is also clear that some of them have a WP:Conflict of interest there. Mar4d (talk) 13:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about the tb templates, I'm watching your page and get an SMS (lol, yes a bit wikiholic) for the watchlist changes (RSS feed of watchlist to facebook (via RSS-to-email) to SMS (via fb msgs)), haha. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fowler&fowler is a trusted editor who's significantly contributed to making India an FA article. He's got a background in South Asian articles due to his intellectual knowledge and expertise of the area. It wouldn't make sense if anyone calls asking for his opinion as "canvassing". Just a subtle suggestion on my part :) Mar4d (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe that, but if you follow Talk:Taliban and Talk:Indophobia in detail, you'll know they don't listen. It can be waited out I guess. All they need is a few sensible editors opposing them and a closure. Let's see, Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:45, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Btw, there's been some fun at Kiftaan's talkpage and I've requested protection. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Don't waste too much time there unless you want to hear stories like racist admins / day of jugement and I have over 1,000 g/fs on MySpace and on Facebook. Mar4d (talk) 14:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fowler&fowler is a trusted editor who's significantly contributed to making India an FA article. He's got a background in South Asian articles due to his intellectual knowledge and expertise of the area. It wouldn't make sense if anyone calls asking for his opinion as "canvassing". Just a subtle suggestion on my part :) Mar4d (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Lol. That's why I said 'fun'. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Nuclear weapons
I think the statement is now a bit ambiguous as compared to the previous one since Turkey shares NATO small scale weaponry. So, first Muslim-majority to posses nuclear weapons and first nuclear weapon state in Muslim world would be more descriptive. I could be wrong. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:09, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, this was the previous statement:
Pakistan has the eighth largest standing armed force and is the only Muslim-majority nation to possess nuclear weapons also being the first nuclear power country in the Muslim world
- New version:
Pakistan has the eighth largest standing army internationally and is a recognised nuclear weapons state, being the first and only nation to have that status in the Muslim world
Which part sounds different? Mar4d (talk) 16:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Possession of nuclear weapons has been removed, which brings in Turkey as a NATO member to atleast posses some small scale. Since you've mentioned them together, I saw another problem, it's not the 8th largest standing army, it's the 8th largest standing armed force (including Navy and Airforce). Would be a good idea to move this section to Talk:Pakistan? --lTopGunl (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Categories and templates
- There seems to be a naked template at Pakistan "Template:Navbox", or is that normal?
- The category "Muhajir people" for Muhammad Ali Jinnah might be confusing as he lived in Karachi long before partition.
--lTopGunl (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- I've removed the category. As for the template, I noticed that long ago. Apparently, the last few templates related to "languages" are not being displayed for some odd reason. I'm a bit puzzled and don't quite understand why the templates aren't being shown. Mar4d (talk) 12:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. I tried to fix the template once, but ended up self reverting in the end. You are more into templates and categories than I am, so messaged you... it might be objected in FAC... the source seems to be correct, still this displays. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Aah, I think I figured out the problem. Just give me a few minutes to try and fix it. Will tell you later. Mar4d (talk) 12:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- It seems that the article cannot tolerate too many templates at the bottom as it overloads, and some templates don't end up displaying, thus resulting in the naked link you were talking about. I've sort of trimmed it down by removing two unnecessary templates: Template:Major non-NATO ally and Template:World Trade Organization since both these don't wikilink to the Pakistan article anyway but rather Military of Pakistan and Economy of Pakistan. All the rest templates are being displayed correctly now. Mar4d (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Aah, I think I figured out the problem. Just give me a few minutes to try and fix it. Will tell you later. Mar4d (talk) 12:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. I tried to fix the template once, but ended up self reverting in the end. You are more into templates and categories than I am, so messaged you... it might be objected in FAC... the source seems to be correct, still this displays. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
December 2011
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ANI
While you added your comments on your own probably via your watchlist, an administrator has hinted you to be a meat puppet... although that is technically not possible since you are an established user and not called by me to join Wikipedia for any purpose - the other possible assumption of canvassing has no evidence too. Thought of notifying you if you lost track of that IP discussion at ANI. --lTopGunl (ping) 23:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice. I gave my view of things at the expense of my own time and just wanted to raise the recent content removal on Pakistan's role in the War on Terror as well as the article Anti-Pakistan sentiment, where the correction action should have been to reword the disputed sentence or at least take it to the talk page to reach an agreement (as Bbb23 did). Darkness Shines didn't do any of that but instead chose to go down the path of removing the sentence completely along with the source, and didn't give any clear rationale either - thus my judgement of it being as a contentious edit. In any case, the issue seems to have been closed so there's no point of replying there. Mar4d (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. Yeah, it's closed now. What the immediatists don't understand is vandalism is something like "ljflsjdfljsdlj" entered into the article which was not the case on these articles. I'll continue to keep those on my watch list too.. since every time a page blanker comes by, some one more experienced chooses to be an immidiatist and encourage the blanking vandal, who wouldn't even give a reason, to editwar. --lTopGunl (ping) 02:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Huh.... malware? Are you sure? That website has a lot of interviews with notable personalities as Google shows and complies with WP:RS. I doubt it has malware but I'll check it again and remove it if something's fishy. Mar4d (talk) 06:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Running a scan, will let you know, may be a false positive. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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Image for Rawalpindi (Template:Largest cities of Pakistan)
Hello! If you have visited Islamabad you may also have visited Daman-e-Koh. This picture is actually taken from Daman-e-Koh of 7th Avenue of Islamabad and this road is in no way in Rawalpindi or leads to Rawalpindi. Neither is it named Islamabad-Rawalpindi freeway. A simple google image search of 7th Avenue Islamabad will result in scores of image similar to this. And if you see this on google maps, this road is just beneath Daman-e-Koh and is in between sector F-7 & F-6 and G-7 & G-6. And if you see Map of Islamabad you will identify this road yourself and also its vicinity to Rawalpindi. I hope this is enough to convince you about my stand on that image. --SMS Talk 20:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indians in Afghanistan
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indians in Afghanistan. Informing you as you created the page. Inform any other editors who you know are major contributors to the page (or it's previous deleted versions) I don't find any though... seems like this page was deleted and restored at your request. --lTopGunl (talk) 23:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
TTP
Are you ready now with adding content to the lead? Or is there more to come? Regards, JCAla (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Country Forecasting
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I noticed that you posted an external link to the Pakistan page for Development Forecasts from International Futures. Just recently, I've posted a few of the same external links to other country pages. I think that it's a tool that has a great deal of utility, and the forecasts add something new and interesting to country discussions. I believe it's a valuable addition, and I'd like to see these forecasts on more country pages. Do you have any thoughts on this? Or are you interested in joining me in adding more forecasts to country pages? I look forward to hearing from you. (Shredder2012 (talk) 16:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC))
- Hi there! From what I gather, this external link that you're mentioning (International Futures) had already been in the article long before; I never added it. To be honest, I never even noticed it until you posted about it here, so I might not be the relevant person to ask an opinion from :) I think an appropriate place to discuss the inclusion of this link on country articles (and get third opinions) might be at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard. Happy editing! Mar4d (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. Cheers! (Shredder2012 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC))
- Hi there! From what I gather, this external link that you're mentioning (International Futures) had already been in the article long before; I never added it. To be honest, I never even noticed it until you posted about it here, so I might not be the relevant person to ask an opinion from :) I think an appropriate place to discuss the inclusion of this link on country articles (and get third opinions) might be at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard. Happy editing! Mar4d (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Switches
I've added the switches. Take a look at the article and the talk page section. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Will reply soon. Mar4d (talk) 02:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, whenever you get to, also take a look at the discussion about images in the same discussion section... I'm on widescreen now and almost all the images are displacing headings and edit buttons. September88 has suggested to use percentages instead of pixels to size the images. --lTopGunl (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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Youm-e-Takbir
Created an article for Youm-e-Takbir... a little help with relevant templates/categories/your usual drive through business ;) --lTopGunl (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll take a look. Mar4d (talk) 05:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Added the article to the template as well. Is it possible to modify the fair use rationale of the Chagai-I infobox image so that can be added here too? After all the image is irreplaceable and directly related to this article too. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Don't think there should be any problem, just edit the template at the image page though and add the name of this article, if you're keen to add it. As for the categories, note that I've done a minor cleanup, since some of the categories were redundant as the article was already indirectly part of them (Category:Nuclear history of Pakistan for example is itself a sub-category of the science and technology history and military history categories, which themselves are further a sub-category of Category:History of Pakistan). :) Mar4d (talk) 03:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Added the article to the template as well. Is it possible to modify the fair use rationale of the Chagai-I infobox image so that can be added here too? After all the image is irreplaceable and directly related to this article too. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll take a look. Mar4d (talk) 05:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Fair enough. I didn't see that template before so that's why I had re-added it. Mar4d (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, no problem I created it later.-- Assassin'S creed T - E - C - G - 08:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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Pakistan copy-edit
Hi, TopGun has suggested to proceed the article to FAC in the coming days and I am of the opinion to get it copy-edited before to make it perfect, preferably by fresh eyes. What do you think? And can you suggest any specific user for the task? September88 (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Let's make some final touches and put it up in the next two days or so, I reckon. I still think we should do something about the images because some of them are overused and redudant (for example, we're using three pictures of Mount K2 when really one is enough, and there could be so many different places instead. Same goes for the Swat and Balochistan pics - there's two when we only really need one each. Just my opinion. Mar4d (talk) 16:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll see what improvements I can make. And you're not wrong about the pics. I just opened up a discussion on Pakistan talk page on final touches. How about you list all the improvements you want there and see if any objections arise and it can be modified then? September88 (talk) 17:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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