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Sul Ross
You are changing all of the old "Sul Ross" references to "Sul Ross State". It is my understanding that the school did not acquire the "State University" designation until the late 1960s. Do you know something I don't know?? Cbl62 (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going off Sul Ross State University, which says "State" came into the name in 1923. If that's wrong, we should change that article accordingly Jweiss11 (talk) 21:05, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- OK. The sources covering the football games don't generally use the "State" element during the 1920s and 1930s, but I have found a lot of articles from that time period referring to the school in general as "Sul Ross State Teachers College", so I guess that's appropriate. Cbl62 (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- While we're on the topic of common Texas Western / UTEP opponents, please note that North Texas was North Texas State prior to 1988 and their fight name was Eagles prior to 1966. West Texas A&M was West Texas State prior to the early 90s. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- It appears little or no care was taken in identifying contemporaneous names when most of these templates were created. Sometimes I just go with the flow of what's in the template, but increasingly I try to do some independent research and fix things. Slowly, we're getting there. Cbl62 (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, some are good. Others need work, particularly the programs that aren't currently FBS. I was planning to give you a shout regarding Northern Colorado Bears football and Northern Arizona Lumberjacks football. We should get their name histories laid out and reflected in their team navboxes, etc. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- At this time, I don't have exact date parameters for the evolving names on Northern Colorado/Colorado State-Greeley (often also referred to as Greeley State) or Northern Arizona/Arizona State-Flagstaff. I will put the team navboxes for those two programs on my "to do" list. Cbl62 (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- I forgot that I actually did it already for Template:Northern Colorado Bears football navbox. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Cbl62 (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- At this time, I don't have exact date parameters for the evolving names on Northern Colorado/Colorado State-Greeley (often also referred to as Greeley State) or Northern Arizona/Arizona State-Flagstaff. I will put the team navboxes for those two programs on my "to do" list. Cbl62 (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, some are good. Others need work, particularly the programs that aren't currently FBS. I was planning to give you a shout regarding Northern Colorado Bears football and Northern Arizona Lumberjacks football. We should get their name histories laid out and reflected in their team navboxes, etc. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- It appears little or no care was taken in identifying contemporaneous names when most of these templates were created. Sometimes I just go with the flow of what's in the template, but increasingly I try to do some independent research and fix things. Slowly, we're getting there. Cbl62 (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Revisiting the Sul Ross issue. The university's logo for its sports teams says "Sul Ross Lobos", not "Sul Ross State Lobos". See File:Sul Ross athletics logo.png. Moreover, searches of newspapers.com shows that "Sul Ross Lobos" is the WP:COMMONNAME (by a count of 4-to-1). Bowling Green is a good analogy. The university is known as Bowling Green State University, but common usage is to drop the "State" when referring to the sports teams as Bowling Green Falcons. Accordingly, we should follow the
Kent StateBowling Green precedent and refer to the team as "Sul Ross" in schedule charts. Cbl62 (talk) 12:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, then we need to rename things like Template:Sul Ross State Lobos football coach navbox and Category:Sul Ross State Lobos and Lady Lobos and subcats accordingly. That is the Kent State precedent? Jweiss11 (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
reverting an entire edit over capitalization
nest time just change the capitalization issue, don't revert my work. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 13:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- What your are doing is undermining the cross-article consistency that I and other have established—in some sense reverting our work. We should discuss this before you continue reordering every article you deem to be primarily basketball. In the meantime, perhaps you can focus on the myriad of basketball-only bio articles that remain mis-formatted? Jweiss11 (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, what I am doing is re-ordering articles about basketball coaches who happened to coach other sports so that the most relevant information sits at the top. Readers aren't going to Phog Allen's article to see his football records, with only a few exceptions, they are going to read about a historic basketball coach. You never like to hear it, but the rules were set by the college football project so the convention (I see no consensus) was set up in a biased way. Having a rigid order of sports for multi-sport coaches (football, then basketball, then baseball) makes less sense from a reader's perspective than having the sport they are known for (football for Zora Clevenger, basketball for Phog Allen, etc.) at the forefront. All the ones I have done today FYI have been coaches in the basketball HOF but no distinction as football coaches, that's cut and dried. Perhaps you can focus on college football only articles since we're making suggestions for what the other should edit? Rikster2 (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- Why is Phog Allen's playing career listed before his coaching career then if the most well-known as a coach? Why are the playing sports at Frank Keaney ordered differently from the coaching sports? It's not very well-thought out, is it? Seems more about anger and spite over someone else with a more global and collaborative view treading into your personal college basketball fiefdom. The reality, despite your delusions about it, is that even though the relevant conventions were indeed set up principally at WP:CFB (because that was the relevant hub with the most traffic), they were done so with multiple sports in mind, basketball certainly included, by editors who had and have concern about more than just college football. You are the one who has repeatedly balkanized editors into college football guys vs. college basketball guys. And you are the one between us who initiated demands about what content the other edit—that I clean up your half-baked and unfinished mess with the nested navboxes. Jweiss11 (talk) 08:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's not about anger, it's about being able to use WP:COMMONSENSE. I can reorder playing sports, that's a great suggestion. I don't see the playing/coaching field placement in the box being a major issue and struggle to understand why you do or why you think moving it would necessarily need to follow emphasizing the sport for which a subject is known. It is humorous to see you complain about someone else thinking Wikipedia is their own fiefdom, though, since that's kind of what you're doing on lots of things (for instance, there appears to be no consensus and definitely is no template documentation saying the sports need to go in the same order every time). I don't doubt that the original intent was pure, but the systemic bias is towards football in the way the run rules were set up. For example, Phog Allen is definitely a basketball figure first and foremost. Amos Alonzo Stagg is a football figure first and foremost (even though he is in the basketball HOF because he had major contributions to the sport). But in the case of Stagg, his primary sport is first because, well, football is always first. So the issue a basketball, baseball or lacrosse figure would experience with the current convention (again, no one has produced a consensus discussion that this was agreed to) is NEVER faced with football figures. So of course if your primary concern is football you don't see an issue. But whatever, Jweiss. I appreciate you don't like change much. Still what, 2 years later, you won't nest a navbox even though that DID go through a consensus discussion (I clean up after YOU on those ALL THE TIME because I know you just won't make those edits). So don't give me a line about how much consistency or consensus matters to you - YOUR opinions of how things should be matter to you. Full stop. I've actually been implementing things I don't personally agree with (like removing the "×" after a championship multiple) in the name of consensus. Rikster2 (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, Keaney's playing sports are in the same order as the coaching entries - football, then baseball. He didn't play basketball in college. Or, rather, that sport was not in the article. I'd need to research if he did in fact play the game, then I'd be happy to add it in the same order as the coaching entries Rikster2 (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's not about anger, it's about being able to use WP:COMMONSENSE. I can reorder playing sports, that's a great suggestion. I don't see the playing/coaching field placement in the box being a major issue and struggle to understand why you do or why you think moving it would necessarily need to follow emphasizing the sport for which a subject is known. It is humorous to see you complain about someone else thinking Wikipedia is their own fiefdom, though, since that's kind of what you're doing on lots of things (for instance, there appears to be no consensus and definitely is no template documentation saying the sports need to go in the same order every time). I don't doubt that the original intent was pure, but the systemic bias is towards football in the way the run rules were set up. For example, Phog Allen is definitely a basketball figure first and foremost. Amos Alonzo Stagg is a football figure first and foremost (even though he is in the basketball HOF because he had major contributions to the sport). But in the case of Stagg, his primary sport is first because, well, football is always first. So the issue a basketball, baseball or lacrosse figure would experience with the current convention (again, no one has produced a consensus discussion that this was agreed to) is NEVER faced with football figures. So of course if your primary concern is football you don't see an issue. But whatever, Jweiss. I appreciate you don't like change much. Still what, 2 years later, you won't nest a navbox even though that DID go through a consensus discussion (I clean up after YOU on those ALL THE TIME because I know you just won't make those edits). So don't give me a line about how much consistency or consensus matters to you - YOUR opinions of how things should be matter to you. Full stop. I've actually been implementing things I don't personally agree with (like removing the "×" after a championship multiple) in the name of consensus. Rikster2 (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- Why is Phog Allen's playing career listed before his coaching career then if the most well-known as a coach? Why are the playing sports at Frank Keaney ordered differently from the coaching sports? It's not very well-thought out, is it? Seems more about anger and spite over someone else with a more global and collaborative view treading into your personal college basketball fiefdom. The reality, despite your delusions about it, is that even though the relevant conventions were indeed set up principally at WP:CFB (because that was the relevant hub with the most traffic), they were done so with multiple sports in mind, basketball certainly included, by editors who had and have concern about more than just college football. You are the one who has repeatedly balkanized editors into college football guys vs. college basketball guys. And you are the one between us who initiated demands about what content the other edit—that I clean up your half-baked and unfinished mess with the nested navboxes. Jweiss11 (talk) 08:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, what I am doing is re-ordering articles about basketball coaches who happened to coach other sports so that the most relevant information sits at the top. Readers aren't going to Phog Allen's article to see his football records, with only a few exceptions, they are going to read about a historic basketball coach. You never like to hear it, but the rules were set by the college football project so the convention (I see no consensus) was set up in a biased way. Having a rigid order of sports for multi-sport coaches (football, then basketball, then baseball) makes less sense from a reader's perspective than having the sport they are known for (football for Zora Clevenger, basketball for Phog Allen, etc.) at the forefront. All the ones I have done today FYI have been coaches in the basketball HOF but no distinction as football coaches, that's cut and dried. Perhaps you can focus on college football only articles since we're making suggestions for what the other should edit? Rikster2 (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Template:Tusculum Pioneers football coach navbox. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Template:Tusculum Pioneers football coach navbox redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Bury the hatchet?
Jweiss - I archived my talk page today and had a chance to scan through all the old conversations on it. It reminded me that we have had a very positive and cooperative relationship in the past, but for whatever reason (generally difference of opinion on various standards) the past year to 18 months has been aggressive. I want to apologize for being overly aggressive and let you know that I will try hard to be more polite, even in disagreement. I know you are working to build a better encyclopedia and please know that I am also here to try and do the same. I hope that you will accept my apology when I say that I am sorry for anything I have said to offend you. Cheers. Rikster2 (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Rikster, thanks for reaching out. Yes, let's bury the hatchet. Happy new year. May this be a fruitful one for everyone. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Question
Hey JW, since you are the go to on standardization. Who is right on this dispute regarding coach salaries? [1]-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- UCO2009bluejay, the contract field actually isn't something I've spent a lot of time dealing with. What's the nature of the dispute? Average yearly value of contract versus pay in current year? I'm not there is much of a standard in place. Probably makes sense to open a discussion about it somewhere. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Question
Hey, JW, do you have a source for this edit? Ejgreen77 (talk) 21:35, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
- See https://www.newspapers.com/clip/28225680/the_oneonta_star/. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:25, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nice! I knew Peelle was still the AD there into the 60's, but didn't know an end date for him. This article said that Cappiello was the "acting AD" in '69 (interestingly enough, I think it's the same Cappiello who was recently featured in this recent Buffalo News article, lol). I wasn't aware that Deming was also AD there, too. Nice find! Ejgreen77 (talk) 03:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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College Division
Hey, I really am glad that you created the seasons for the College Division seasons. I have one small issue though, what is your criteria for listing a conference as being part of the CD? For instance in 1964 you have a slot for the Lone Star Conference, but Sam Houston State won (tied for) the NAIA championship that year. I know it wasn't unusual for teams to be in both at times. In any event thanks.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- UCO2009bluejay, thanks for chipping in with the related cleanup on this. The conference/team alignments are going to need some verification. For the most part, I've gone with how things were already categorized; e.g. Category:1958 Lone Star Conference football season, which happens to be your edit! Sam Houston State was also ranked in the 1964 College Division polls. As I discussed with Cbl62 the other day, it's unclear if and when the Mid-American Conference reclassified from College Division to University Division. The 1960 Ohio Bobcats football team won the College Division national title, but the 1969 Toledo Rockets football team and subsequent Toledo teams were ranked in the major polls. Looks like MAC teams were last ranked in the College Division polls in 1961. It appears that Idaho moved between the College and University Divisions in the late 1960s while remaining a Big Sky Conference member throughout—that's messy. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough, (on the LSC, I think I followed a previous editor on the LSC to an extent). I noticed the Idaho issue also goes with Northern Illinois. I noticed that the 1977 CFB season, is now a redirect to the D-I page, and the others are now in a dab page. I am not saying this is wrong by any means but I assumed based upon the discussion we had on WT:CFB that the redirects would be warranted.–UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- We could really benefit from having a definitive source indicating when each school was in College Division vs. University Division vs. NAIA. If anyone knows of such a source, please share it. I will see what I can find by searching Newspapers.com. Cbl62 (talk) 22:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Based on a preliminary review of newspaper coverage from 1956 and 1957, I find nothing referring to a "University Division" vs. "College Division" split for purposes of football. The only references to such a split during these years seem to be in the context of basketball and track tournaments. Absent some reliable sources confirming in these early years (a) that such a split was recognized for purposes of football, and (b) delineating which teams were College/University, I am concerned that we may be engaged in WP:OR. We really need to find reliable sources for this. Cbl62 (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- This (from 1962) is the earliest item I have found so far showing that there was a formal division of football teams with 140 teams in the University Division and 370 in the College Division. If we could only find a list of the 140. Cbl62 (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- By 1963, per this report, there were only 120 University Division football programs and 299 college division programs. This means that some 20 teams went from the University to College Division in 1964. With such a high degree of divisional migration from year to year, this emphasizes the need for reliable sources showing who was UD vs. CD from one year to the next. Without such sourcing, we are engaged in guesswork in violation of WP:OR. Cbl62 (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- By 1966, this account indicates that the number of University Division teams had dipped to 114 -- a drop of 26 teams from the 1962 total. More evidence of significant year-to-year flux. Cbl62 (talk) 23:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Per this report, the University Division expanded in 1969 from 114 to 118 teams with the addition of Northern Illinois, Idaho, San Diego State, and Pacific. A lot of year-to-year flux. Cbl62 (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- In 1970, the University Division remained stable at 118 teams. See here.
- In 1971, two teams were added to the University Division (Temple and UT-Arlington). See here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- In 1972, two teams were added to the University Division (Tampa and Long Beach State), bringing the total to 121. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- The conundrum here is that Long Beach State remained a member of the same conference between 1971 and 1972. So, how do we represent that? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- It appears that conference membership was irrelevant to University Division status. The two appear to be apples and oranges, as schools appear to have been elevated to University Division one-by-one rather than as a group conference-by-conference. Cbl62 (talk) 01:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- See here: "Classifications are not made by conferences . . . and being in the Southern Conference does not automatically make a school be of major standing. Nor does one sport affect another." Cbl62 (talk) 02:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- The conundrum here is that Long Beach State remained a member of the same conference between 1971 and 1972. So, how do we represent that? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- This (from 1962) is the earliest item I have found so far showing that there was a formal division of football teams with 140 teams in the University Division and 370 in the College Division. If we could only find a list of the 140. Cbl62 (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Based on a preliminary review of newspaper coverage from 1956 and 1957, I find nothing referring to a "University Division" vs. "College Division" split for purposes of football. The only references to such a split during these years seem to be in the context of basketball and track tournaments. Absent some reliable sources confirming in these early years (a) that such a split was recognized for purposes of football, and (b) delineating which teams were College/University, I am concerned that we may be engaged in WP:OR. We really need to find reliable sources for this. Cbl62 (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- We could really benefit from having a definitive source indicating when each school was in College Division vs. University Division vs. NAIA. If anyone knows of such a source, please share it. I will see what I can find by searching Newspapers.com. Cbl62 (talk) 22:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough, (on the LSC, I think I followed a previous editor on the LSC to an extent). I noticed the Idaho issue also goes with Northern Illinois. I noticed that the 1977 CFB season, is now a redirect to the D-I page, and the others are now in a dab page. I am not saying this is wrong by any means but I assumed based upon the discussion we had on WT:CFB that the redirects would be warranted.–UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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See discusssion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Unused sports standings.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Mark Driscoll change
Hello, why did you change the reference display option ?, now you don't see them in 2 columns and it is a more ineffective way of displaying them.Tecmo (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
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TCU Horned Frogs
JWeiss, almost done with the Cal Golden Bears....moving on to TCU next.....Looking at TCU's history, they were called AddRan Male & Female College up until 1902. Looks like the Horned Frog mascot was used throughout...….did you want to change article titles for the yearly football teams?.... Pvmoutside (talk) 20:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Pvmoutside, looks like TCU was actually known as "AddRan Christian University" from 1889 until taking is current name in 1902. So, it looks like the articles that need name changes are for the 1896 thru 1901 seasons. What do you think makes sense? "1896 AddRan Christian Horned Frogs football team"? I recently did a bunch of work to clean up the schedule tables for the TCU articles up thru 1960. Some of the early years are still missing schedule tables, and we don't have articles at all for 1911 thru 1913. Also, it seems the home stadium/location info has to be wrong for the years the school was located in Waco (1895 to 1910). Jweiss11 (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- AddRan Christian Horned Frogs sounds great.....I read somewhere the Horned Frogs didn't get adopted until 1897, so I guess listing the school football team without the mascot is good for 1896?..Also, I did see the school moved twice before settling in to Fort Worth, so I was going to make those changes when I begin schedules tomorrow...Pvmoutside (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Got a question on the 1901 AddRan football team scores...TCU's media guide lists the November 23 Baylor game as 0-36, College Football Data Warehouse lists it as 0–39. Similarly, TCU's media guide lists the other Baylor game as 0-42, and College Football Data Warehouse lists as 9-42. any idea on which is better to go with?....Pvmoutside (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- I added two contemporaneous newspaper articles. They both list the score as 39-0. Cbl62 (talk) 22:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Also -- my searches of contemporaneous newspaper accounts indicate that the school's WP:COMMONNAME was "Add–Ran" and less frequently "Add Ran" rather than the unhypenated and unspaced "AddRan". See, e.g., here, here, here, here. These same sources suggest the common name did not include "Christian". Cbl62 (talk) 22:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Similar WP:COMMONNAME results in 1900. It's either hyphenated (here, here, here) or spaced (here and here), but not unhyphenated and unspaced. Cbl62 (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Similar in 1899. E.g., here, here, here. Also some spaced "Add Ran" but no unspaced and unhyphenated usage found. Cbl62 (talk) 12:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Evidence seems pretty clear, so I went ahead and moved 1901 to 1901 Add–Ran Horned Frogs football team. Unless someone disagrees, the others should be moved similarly. Cbl62 (talk) 12:53, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Cbl, seems to have been hyphenated or spaced, but never dashed in those examples. Whatever the prevailing formatting is determined to be, it should be reflected at Texas Christian University, which currently uses only "AddRan". Jweiss11 (talk) 23:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed on rolling out the prevailing formatting in all applicable locales. The reason for the dash instead of the hyphen is that MOS provides for use of dashes, not hyphens, in such situations. I'd be fine with a hyphen, but I think the MOS folks would end up objecting. Cbl62 (talk) 23:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Cbl, seems to have been hyphenated or spaced, but never dashed in those examples. Whatever the prevailing formatting is determined to be, it should be reflected at Texas Christian University, which currently uses only "AddRan". Jweiss11 (talk) 23:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Similar WP:COMMONNAME results in 1900. It's either hyphenated (here, here, here) or spaced (here and here), but not unhyphenated and unspaced. Cbl62 (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Also -- my searches of contemporaneous newspaper accounts indicate that the school's WP:COMMONNAME was "Add–Ran" and less frequently "Add Ran" rather than the unhypenated and unspaced "AddRan". See, e.g., here, here, here, here. These same sources suggest the common name did not include "Christian". Cbl62 (talk) 22:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- I added two contemporaneous newspaper articles. They both list the score as 39-0. Cbl62 (talk) 22:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Got a question on the 1901 AddRan football team scores...TCU's media guide lists the November 23 Baylor game as 0-36, College Football Data Warehouse lists it as 0–39. Similarly, TCU's media guide lists the other Baylor game as 0-42, and College Football Data Warehouse lists as 9-42. any idea on which is better to go with?....Pvmoutside (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- AddRan Christian Horned Frogs sounds great.....I read somewhere the Horned Frogs didn't get adopted until 1897, so I guess listing the school football team without the mascot is good for 1896?..Also, I did see the school moved twice before settling in to Fort Worth, so I was going to make those changes when I begin schedules tomorrow...Pvmoutside (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Just wanted to make sure that the infos you added in the article with the title Dick Clausen actually refer to this person - the info box was titled "Willis Barnes" and also the categories were refering to Barnes but I suppose that was just a copy/paste error as Willis Barnes has his own article with different (and I suppose correct) data. I now changed the name in the Clausen article to Clausen and hope this is correct. --Proofreader (talk) 15:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, it was just a copy/paste error. Thanks for catching and fixing it! Jweiss11 (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Just stumbled across it during maintenance work on the categories. --Proofreader (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Jweiss11. I'm perplexed by your class assessment of stub for this article. The amount of detail in this article is far greater than the standards established for a stub, and are comparable to those found in Chris Hurd, an article you recently assessed at start. I would have guessed this to be a simple mistake, had you not reverted the earlier assessment. So, given the fact that it was intentional, I would like to know your rationale for this edit. Gulbenk (talk) 01:35, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Gulbenk, I generally make class assessments based only on the prose of an article. This is one is almost all tables thus far. As for prose, it has two sentences in the lead, one sentence in the "Previous season" section, and four in the "Schedule" section—most of which will become stale once the season actually happens. Start class would be reasonable. It's definitely not C class. Furthermore, I don't think any season article like this should be assessed above Start, no matter how developed the prose is, before the season in question is complete. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Jweiss11, thanks for the quick and thoughtful response. I would agree that C class is a much higher standard, and that an article about an upcoming season could not reasonably be expected to achieve that level absent the unfolding of the actual events. However, I would suggest to you that there is valuable information to be found in lists, and references, and that an assessment based solely on prose runs the risk of missing the mark. I'm glad that you agree that start class would be reasonable. As a member of WikiProject Georgia, I've made the class change there. I'll leave WikiProject College Football up to you, as you see best. Gulbenk (talk) 02:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
John Peterson (American football)
I appreciate the clean up that you did on the article. Since Peterson worked for the San Antonio Riders of the World League (which is later rebranded as NFL Europe and then as NFL Europa), shouldn't the code be World League of American Football (WLAF)? "NFL Europe" refers to the league in the late '90s and early 2000s, so it feels misleading to state that he worked in that league. Americanfootballupdater (talk) 15:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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In the overly detailed obsessive compulsive department, I was going to clean up the Army yearly football seasons, and noticed some years called the army navy game simply Rivalry, while others actually called it the Army-Navy Game with under no chronological order.....any idea when everyone started calling it the Army-Navy Game, or did it start from the beginning in 1890?....Pvmoutside (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Pvmoutside: not sure. @Cbl62: any thoughts here? Seems like this might be hard to pin down by text searches on Newspapers.com and the like because the proper name of the rivalry is composed of such common words. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Preliminary point -- the schedule charts should never refer to "Rivalry" with a capital "R"; where appropriate is should say "rivalry". With that said, my understanding is that the rivalry was not called the "Army-Navy game" at the outset. We should be able to do some newspaper research to pin down approximately when that naming convention became common, though I have not the time to do that tonight and will be tied up on work matters tomorrow. A related issue that has been gnawing at me is that the Army football team itself does not appear to have been commonly referred to as "Army" in the early years. The more common name in the early years seems to have been "West Point" though this needs some more empirical data. I've had the latter point on my "to do" list for some time. Cbl62 (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- User:Cbl62... Those "Rivalries" were done prior to standardization....i'll move on to another football team then....i'm pretty sure Army (and for that matter Navy) can be edited collectively once you determine what is proper, and most if not all the edits for the 2 schools are minor in nature anyway...Pvmoutside (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, there are still many instance of mis-capitalized "Rivalry" in the schedule tables. I'm cleaning them up along with other stuff as I encounter them. My rule of thumb for listing the rivalries in the schedule tables is to simply display "rivalry" in cases where the rivalry article in question is titled "X—Y football rivalry" or "X—Y rivalry". In cases where the rivalry article has a specific proper name, like Little Brown Jug (college football trophy), I display that proper name, e.g. "Little Brown Jug", except in cases where that proper name is anachronistic. For example, on 1902 Michigan Wolverines football team, the Minnesota rivalry displays simply "rivalry" because the term "Little Brown Jug" was not yet in existence. Cbl, I have a couple other historical team name issues I want to discuss with you. Will follow up on your talk page soon. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Happy to discuss other historical team names. My view on proper name rivalries is that the proper name should only be used for season articles on years when the proper name was actually the common usage. For example, it would make no sense to refer to the New Mexico State-UTEP game as Battle of I-10 for years before that name came into common usage (in many cases before I-10 was even built). In such cases, I have tried to clean that up with piping to rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, there are still many instance of mis-capitalized "Rivalry" in the schedule tables. I'm cleaning them up along with other stuff as I encounter them. My rule of thumb for listing the rivalries in the schedule tables is to simply display "rivalry" in cases where the rivalry article in question is titled "X—Y football rivalry" or "X—Y rivalry". In cases where the rivalry article has a specific proper name, like Little Brown Jug (college football trophy), I display that proper name, e.g. "Little Brown Jug", except in cases where that proper name is anachronistic. For example, on 1902 Michigan Wolverines football team, the Minnesota rivalry displays simply "rivalry" because the term "Little Brown Jug" was not yet in existence. Cbl, I have a couple other historical team name issues I want to discuss with you. Will follow up on your talk page soon. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- User:Cbl62... Those "Rivalries" were done prior to standardization....i'll move on to another football team then....i'm pretty sure Army (and for that matter Navy) can be edited collectively once you determine what is proper, and most if not all the edits for the 2 schools are minor in nature anyway...Pvmoutside (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Preliminary point -- the schedule charts should never refer to "Rivalry" with a capital "R"; where appropriate is should say "rivalry". With that said, my understanding is that the rivalry was not called the "Army-Navy game" at the outset. We should be able to do some newspaper research to pin down approximately when that naming convention became common, though I have not the time to do that tonight and will be tied up on work matters tomorrow. A related issue that has been gnawing at me is that the Army football team itself does not appear to have been commonly referred to as "Army" in the early years. The more common name in the early years seems to have been "West Point" though this needs some more empirical data. I've had the latter point on my "to do" list for some time. Cbl62 (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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There is only two active links... do you plan on creating a third (or even fourth) article in the near future? It currently fails our guidelines... which is why it was moved to your user space. Corky 15:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, working on that at the very moment! Jweiss11 (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Great, I just wanted to make sure! Corky 15:26, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Would it be worthwhile to file a sockpuppet investigation for these to users, whom you suspect to be related to each other? TitanSymphony (talk) 02:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not, it would not be worthwhile. It's almost certainly the same person, but they're not trying to subvert Wikipedia. They simply haven't had a handle on how Wikipedia works, but I've been in contact with them on another platform and am filling them in. What would be more helpful is some discussion at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Steve Kazor DOB. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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Can you look this over
Hey JW, I know you frequently overhaul a few articles that have obvious issues, (especially those that I completely overlook because I am usually focused on linking cfb seasons/team seasons in coaching articles. But can you look over my rewrite of sections of the Oklahoma football article. It was recently brought to my attention that a significant portion of the history section had a very serious COPYVIO problem, (and was momentarily up for deletion!) and I tried to paraphrase it as best I could. But I trust your editing skills (both wiki and prose) better than my own. Thanks. PS. I also removed a whole section about the '39 Northwestern team because I found the information dubious.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- UCO2009bluejay, I'll try to take a look at this in the next few days. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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July 2019
Hello, I'm Simonm223. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Keep your debate concentrated on content, and not on what you think of my political motivations. See also WP:AGF. Simonm223 (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Simonm223, you're projecting. You're the one acting rude with your "Lol, No" comment and ""Go away"" edit summary. Jweiss11 (talk) 13:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You've been told to stop by an admin at article talk. So stop. Simonm223 (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You're misrepresenting what ST47 said. Jweiss11 (talk) 13:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ST47: told us both to take a step back. Which I was perfectly willing to do. Instead you came back to your user talk and called me rude again. Which is WP:NPA again. Simonm223 (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You've deleted a comment of mine, made rude edit summaries ("Go away"), put spurious a warning template on my talk page, and are now manipulating the chronology of things to reverse the reality of incivility here. ST47 posed questions to me and I'm answering them. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ST47: told us both to take a step back. Which I was perfectly willing to do. Instead you came back to your user talk and called me rude again. Which is WP:NPA again. Simonm223 (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You're misrepresenting what ST47 said. Jweiss11 (talk) 13:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You've been told to stop by an admin at article talk. So stop. Simonm223 (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm calling foul again. This was before all of this. So I don't understand this. I think the civility issues were relatively mild, involved both sides, and I'd like to believe that they're behind us. If you're going to insist on leaping at each other's throats, then this is going to end up at WP:AE. Again. ST47 (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ST47: I agree the civility issues here were mild. Probably could have been handled in place at the Andy Ngo talk page, rather than coming here with a spurious having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too template warning. I'm confused what Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement has to do with any of this. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Jweiss, as Andy Ngo is an article related to post-1932 American Politics, a system exists to place restrictions on articles which commonly attract issues and to sanction editors who show a tendency to violate policy on such articles. I believe you've both already received the standard alert about this, but essentially, any uninvolved administrator is permitted to impose topic bans, interaction bans, and other sanctions if needed. WP:AE is one place to request such sanctions or to report violations of them. There was a case on that noticeboard about this article a few weeks ago, which is why I said that it looked like the article was heading there "again". ST47 (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's this alert. ST47 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ST47: I agree the civility issues here were mild. Probably could have been handled in place at the Andy Ngo talk page, rather than coming here with a spurious having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too template warning. I'm confused what Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement has to do with any of this. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Question about Head coaching tables
Hey, JW. I was thinking in regards to the season articles campaign and the links to the head coaches. Do you think it would be a good idea on FBS program head coaches to go ahead and use cfb links, or do you think that it could open Pandora's box and potential overlink issues?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- This edit is what I am referring to.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- I would avoid that in the head coaching record tables as it produces a lot of redundant links and also make it unclear at a glance which seasons have articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 19:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- I would avoid that in the head coaching record tables as it produces a lot of redundant links and also make it unclear at a glance which seasons have articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Reflist|30em
Good evening, Why are you removing the the 30em parameter from the Reflist citation template?.Tecmo (talk) 02:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- Tecmo, it seems like unnecessary code because Reflist defaults to 30em when there are at least 10 citations in the article. With a short list of a citations, the single column looks better. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The problem is when the article doesn't have 10 or more references (most of the time in NFL articles). It makes the reading of the references more inefficient. I would request for you not to keep changing it, when ever the previous editors left the parameter already there in the article, as we are trying to improve the reading experience.Tecmo (talk) 19:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Bill Donovan
I removed today the information you inserted at Bill Donovan (baseball player) asserting that he was also the Georgetown football coach in 1898. While the confusion is understandable, I am now confident that the assertion is incorrect. Per this article, the William Donovan who coached at Georgetown played football at Brown from 1891 to 1895. Baseball player Bill Donovan was born October 13, 1876 and would have been only 14 years old when Brown's football season began in 1891. Also there is no mention of football in the SABR biography of Donovan found here. Cbl62 (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm. This website claims they are the same person: http://www.hoyafootball.com/players/coaches.htm. This from a Brown University encyclopedia suggest it was a "William F. Donovan" who played at Brown. Let me look into this closer. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:43, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- The Brown Univsity link supports the conclusion that we have two different William Donovans at play since the ballplayer's middle name was Edward. I suspect that the hoyafootball.com site (which appears to be a fan site -- it says "not affiliated with Georgetown University") simply made an erroneous assumption that we need to squelch. Cbl62 (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Here's another Brown publication indicating that the Brown football player (later Georgetown coach) had the middle name "Fitz". Cbl62 (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- And here's a 1905 Brown alumni directory indicating that William Fitz Donovan was then in business in Washington, D.C., not playing major league baseball for the Detroit Tigers. All this evidence seems pretty overwhelming that the Brown football player/Georgetown football coach Wm. Fitz Donovan is not the same person as baseball player Wm. Edward Donovan. Cbl62 (talk) 02:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- This may an obit for the William F. Donovan we are looking for. The association with Dave Fultz makes sense. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:51, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- See also: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196391309/william-fitz-donovan. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- We need to avoid confusion with William F. Donovan who seems to be altogether different. Cbl62 (talk) 02:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- I created the article for William Fitz Donovan. I wonder if that's how we should name it though per common name conventions. Perhaps "William Donovan (American football, born 1873)" or "William F. Donovan (American football, born 1873)"? Jweiss11 (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have no preference on naming the new article. Feel free to move as you deem appropriate. I am just glad we were able to get the facts straight. Cbl62 (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- If the Georgetown coach was commonly known as Bill (I'm not sure, haven't done the research), another possibility would be "Bill Donovan (American football)". Cbl62 (talk) 18:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- I created the article for William Fitz Donovan. I wonder if that's how we should name it though per common name conventions. Perhaps "William Donovan (American football, born 1873)" or "William F. Donovan (American football, born 1873)"? Jweiss11 (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- This may an obit for the William F. Donovan we are looking for. The association with Dave Fultz makes sense. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:51, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- And here's a 1905 Brown alumni directory indicating that William Fitz Donovan was then in business in Washington, D.C., not playing major league baseball for the Detroit Tigers. All this evidence seems pretty overwhelming that the Brown football player/Georgetown football coach Wm. Fitz Donovan is not the same person as baseball player Wm. Edward Donovan. Cbl62 (talk) 02:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Here's another Brown publication indicating that the Brown football player (later Georgetown coach) had the middle name "Fitz". Cbl62 (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- The Brown Univsity link supports the conclusion that we have two different William Donovans at play since the ballplayer's middle name was Edward. I suspect that the hoyafootball.com site (which appears to be a fan site -- it says "not affiliated with Georgetown University") simply made an erroneous assumption that we need to squelch. Cbl62 (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Bruce Veazie
As a newbie here, I'm making some "improvement" edits. If you don't mind (NO is a fine answer) woud you do a quick review of, and comment on, my edits to Wildes Veazie? You seem to be generally active on football pages, and there are several coach pages that REALLY need some improvement, e.g., Chesley Johnston.
Also, am new to talk page stuff, and if I need a slap upside the head for this post, please do so. Buckeye1971 (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Buckeye1971: thanks for the message and welcome. Your edits on the Veazie article look good. The only change I made was tp bring the formatting of the dates in the references in line with the rest of article, using the American standard of month-before-day. Yes, I focus largely here on the biography articles for college coaches. There are indeed many articles like Chesley Johnston that are bare bones and many articles that still need to be created. Let me know if you have questions here. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:23, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Asking review for Chesley Johnston edits. Also see talk for my assumptions.
If it looks good, should "Notabilities" tag be removed? Buckeye1971 (talk) 15:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
- I removed the notability tag and made some other cleanup edits. I found your Boston Globe clipping on Newspapers.com. Those clippings are readable for anyone, not just those with subscriptions, so the URL to the clipping should be included in the citation. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks bunches for your time on the profile. Your edits provide plenty of stuff to review as "comments" on my work. Re: speculation - yeah, I know better.
- Interesting WRT the Boston Globe clipping. That's the clip I made yesterday. The ref info is sufficient for future (paywall) lookups if needed, but I wonder if the link will be open access when I'm no longer subscribed. [shrug]
- Also, I found a book that shows Johnston attended Maine State College (non-graduate of class of 1893). Going to add that in. Buckeye1971 (talk) 17:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
- I believe that clips remain publicly visible even after the clipper's subscription expires. There may be more on that Wikipedia:Newspapers.com. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Source for changes to John Wallace article
Your recent edits to the article for John Wallace (American football) removed details about his collegiate playing career, addded details regarding a high school coaching spot, changed a category regarding his football playing position from end to quarterback, and added a category for people from Rutherford, New Jersey. Unfortunately, I don't see anything in the article to support these changes, nor could I find any sources to support the changes in a Google search. Am I missing something? Alansohn (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Alansohn: I just added some sources from Newspapers.com to the article. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the additions as they flesh out and reference the necessary details. How comprehensive is your Newspapers.com access? Is this a freebie or are you accessing this through the paywall? Alansohn (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have a subscription through the Wikipedia Library: Wikipedia:Newspapers.com. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the additions as they flesh out and reference the necessary details. How comprehensive is your Newspapers.com access? Is this a freebie or are you accessing this through the paywall? Alansohn (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I have been having trouble getting the above article published, so I request your review and comments. This article is about a football team having 20+ years of history, and the article published for the 2019 season is virtually the same as articles published before. I have 3 citations, each to the official USF web site. I don't know know what could be more authoritative than material published by the school itself. Also, almost every fact quoted within this article is present somewhere within the 3 pages cited. I am not familiar with the 2 reviewers who have thus far held up publication. Have the Wiki standards changed or become more specific? I would appreciate your review of this article to let me know what I must/can do to satisfy the review standards. Also, some tags have been attached to the 2018 article for the same team. If you could look at that one too, I would appreciated it. Jlhcpa (talk) 17:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- Jlhcpa, thanks for the message. Standards here haven't changed, but new articles put through the draft process are going to be held to standards more closely. You can see that 2018 Saint Francis Cougars football team has been tagged for several issues including sourcing. Some of the other Saint Francis season articles, like 2017 Saint Francis Cougars football team clearly have the same sourcing issue, but no one has gotten around to flagging them. Any article on Wikipedia should have some third-party sources. Can you add some to the 2019 article? Here's one I found: http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/20190806/naia-preseason-poll-ranks-cougars-no-3. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:23, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have serious doubts as to whether NAIA teams warrant season articles. NAIA championship teams (e.g., 2016 and 2017 Saint Francis Cougars football teams) presumably warrant articles, but the 2019 season has not even been played. Cbl62 (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- This is where I disagree with Wikipedia publishing standards. Even NAIA teams can be colorful and storied enough to be worthy of note. The team covered here, the Saint Francis Cougars, has one of the most successful histories in all of NAIA football. Their coach is a living legend - he has been head coach for each and every season of Saint Francis Cougars football, a tenure that has resulted in him becoming the NAIA all-time leader in coaching wins. In addition, Coach Donley is the current wins leader among all active coaches at all levels of collegiate football. The team is worthy of coverage, having 2 national championships to their credit as well as other appearances in the title game. I have the pleasure of living close enough that I can see a good share of USF football games in person. So this is not just a casual article about some no-name team. USF and Coach Donley are defacto faces of NAIA football in the current era. So I disagree with Wiki standards that deem this team not worthy of coverage. Yes, this is an article about a season that has not yet been played. But you should know with confidence that I will be observing the 2019 Saint Francis Cougars football team, and I will update this article with additional prose as the season unfolds. This team is expected to compete for another title in the postseason if it matures and the season unfolds as hoped for. But, I believe some here would call that just another worthless, biased statement. I'm trying not to get bitter, but I am getting weary of butting heads with the Wiki overlords.Jlhcpa (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have serious doubts as to whether NAIA teams warrant season articles. NAIA championship teams (e.g., 2016 and 2017 Saint Francis Cougars football teams) presumably warrant articles, but the 2019 season has not even been played. Cbl62 (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jlhcpa: There are no "overlords". Your opinion is as important as any other. Wikipedia operates based on consensus. You may want to express your thoughts at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Question regarding notability of WP:NSEASONS. Cbl62 (talk) 21:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- I stick to what I have said previously. In my years of trying to make decent contributions to Wikipedia, I have routinely been shot down by others. Whether you call them overlords or consensus, the results are the same: one man's passions are another man's "ho hum.....". Somebody(s) somewhere has deemed that the team led by the winningest active coach in all of college football, at any level, 7th winningest coach of all time, is not worthy of publication. Because I have been able to personally follow Saint Francis Cougar football over the years, I saw them as reasonable subject matter worthy of publication. Criticize the publisher as one not skilled in artfully constructing prose that appeals to your "consensus", or make constructive recommendations about how to bring an article up to your standards; but I strongly disagree with the determination that the subject matter is not worthy. "Consensus" is just another name for censorship. References to NAIA football as being "5th tier" is quite condescending in my opinion. Explain that to those men who have excelled enough to attract post high school athletic scholarships to play "pretender's football" while attending real colleges. Using your criteria, I would suppose that Clemson and Alabama are the only two college programs truly worthy of mention. When is the last time that teams like Notre Dame won a national championship? In the current era, even Notre Dame can't play well against these two SEC teams. Should we discount their past success because the current team is not a championship caliber team? I stand by what I have said. I am not being overly dramatic to say I may have made my last contribution to Wikipedia. It's no fun watching others repeatedly shoot down my efforts.Jlhcpa (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jlhcpa: I moved the 2019 Saint Francis Cougars football team article from draft to the mainspace in light of the sources you've added and long-standings existence of articles for previous Saint Francis Cougars seasons. That being said, many of the Saint Francis seasons articles, starting with 1999 Saint Francis Cougars football team, lack sufficient sourcing and have other major formatting issues. Kevin Donley is clearly a notable subject. But his notability alone does not confer notability on each and every Saint Francis football season that he coaches. Also, there is no article for Saint Francis Cougars football. It's a redirect to Saint Francis Cougars, the main article for the school's athletic programs. It would make sense to develop a main article for the football program. Wikipedia can be frustrating for everyone, but I think you've overreacted a bit to Cbl62's comments here. The worst teams in Division I tend to get far more coverage than the best teams in the NAIA. This is a simple fact. But that doesn't mean NAIA teams or even NAIA team seasons necessarily lack notability. I hope you'll stick around. I'm happy to help with your efforts. There are other editors like User:Paulmcdonald, User:UCO2009bluejay User:Corkythehornetfan with strong interests in lower division college football. They may be available to advise and collaborate as well. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. I certainly welcome input from any of the noted persons mentioned by you. I guess the reviewer's approach just rubbed me the wrong way. Rather than helping me with more constructive efforts, the reviewer's first response is to go for the "DELETE" button. I did/do take it personally. I will take your comments under consideration.Jlhcpa (talk) 15:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Jlhcpa: I moved the 2019 Saint Francis Cougars football team article from draft to the mainspace in light of the sources you've added and long-standings existence of articles for previous Saint Francis Cougars seasons. That being said, many of the Saint Francis seasons articles, starting with 1999 Saint Francis Cougars football team, lack sufficient sourcing and have other major formatting issues. Kevin Donley is clearly a notable subject. But his notability alone does not confer notability on each and every Saint Francis football season that he coaches. Also, there is no article for Saint Francis Cougars football. It's a redirect to Saint Francis Cougars, the main article for the school's athletic programs. It would make sense to develop a main article for the football program. Wikipedia can be frustrating for everyone, but I think you've overreacted a bit to Cbl62's comments here. The worst teams in Division I tend to get far more coverage than the best teams in the NAIA. This is a simple fact. But that doesn't mean NAIA teams or even NAIA team seasons necessarily lack notability. I hope you'll stick around. I'm happy to help with your efforts. There are other editors like User:Paulmcdonald, User:UCO2009bluejay User:Corkythehornetfan with strong interests in lower division college football. They may be available to advise and collaborate as well. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- I stick to what I have said previously. In my years of trying to make decent contributions to Wikipedia, I have routinely been shot down by others. Whether you call them overlords or consensus, the results are the same: one man's passions are another man's "ho hum.....". Somebody(s) somewhere has deemed that the team led by the winningest active coach in all of college football, at any level, 7th winningest coach of all time, is not worthy of publication. Because I have been able to personally follow Saint Francis Cougar football over the years, I saw them as reasonable subject matter worthy of publication. Criticize the publisher as one not skilled in artfully constructing prose that appeals to your "consensus", or make constructive recommendations about how to bring an article up to your standards; but I strongly disagree with the determination that the subject matter is not worthy. "Consensus" is just another name for censorship. References to NAIA football as being "5th tier" is quite condescending in my opinion. Explain that to those men who have excelled enough to attract post high school athletic scholarships to play "pretender's football" while attending real colleges. Using your criteria, I would suppose that Clemson and Alabama are the only two college programs truly worthy of mention. When is the last time that teams like Notre Dame won a national championship? In the current era, even Notre Dame can't play well against these two SEC teams. Should we discount their past success because the current team is not a championship caliber team? I stand by what I have said. I am not being overly dramatic to say I may have made my last contribution to Wikipedia. It's no fun watching others repeatedly shoot down my efforts.Jlhcpa (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
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