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: Steve, I am very disappointed to see that this has happened. I have consulted once more with the aforementioned third party - a solicitor - and he has confirmed this now smacks of victimisation. The somewhat nebulous and easily misinterpreted Wikipedia policies do not help. |
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I have been placing comments for all edits in the Summary. They are all valid and correct. I think that this supposed indiscretion is in fact simply a difference of opinion as to what is major and minor. I regard image play and rearranging large tracts of text to be major, not the removal of incorrect information in a conversational and unsourced POV tone. If you consider "minor" to be simply grammar, numbers etc. then so be it. That's minor. However, this is hardly "earth shaking". A simple note on the Talk Page would have sufficed. |
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Further to this, it would appear that once again all the "good editing" that I have been doing has been conveniently ignored, which even extends to rewriting substandard articles lacking information or reeking of fan-fuelled POV (eg. ''Blacklash and Infinity Gauntlet''). |
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Also, the claim that I am practicing WP:OWN and WP:DISRUPT is untrue. |
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As to WP:OWN, see [[Hyperion (comics)|Hyperion]] and [[Black Bolt]], where I not only accepted (as we all should) new information on articles I have written but also did a slight tidy up to improve it. But, there it stays. It is only when incorrect/POV/unsourced/ information appears that I will pull it, and as promised leave a note in the Summary. As for WP:DISRUPT, it would be a disruption if I left no comments...which I did. They are all accurate. |
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I also draw your attention to the comments which I took the time to post on user Lots42 page, as he asked me a direct question. I also addressed the rather immature comment made by user 204.153.84.10. User Lots42 then chose to delete my comment, claming it was the beginning of a flame war, which for my part was not. You can still see my response on the page, and an additional comment by user 204.153.84.10, who is clearly not objective and is hiding behind a number (who is this person?). |
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I was happy to discuss the matter with Lots42 further, but he has had a "knee-jerk" reaction as opposed to asking for more detail, which I would have given. On an aside, the comments stand - the edits were subjective POV, too conversational and lacked sources. This is not Wikipedia practice. |
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I also find J. Greb's comment to be in bad faith. The very title "Yup...again" says as much. I would like to kindly suggest that my fellow posters show both civility and good faith, which has not always been evident. This type of behaviour has been adminished by some of my peers, but unfortunately, seems to go unnoticed by moderators. |
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To conclude, I believe objectivity seems to have "left the building." There now appears to a small "lynch mob" that in Doczilla's own words is acting like a " probation officer waiting to bust him". I will make the odd mistake from time to time - ''as will everyone else'' - but this should not an opportunity for someone to instantly pounce. Look at the last dozen Edits I have made - have they improved Wikipedia or not? |
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I still like the idea of a "monitor" who can watch for any possible breaches. Both Doczilla and Netkinetic have shown objectivity and made valid comments in this capacity. |
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'''Asgardian''' |
Revision as of 02:59, 7 July 2007
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Opinion Requested
Hi, I'd like to hear you opinion on the following debate. (Merging Alternate Versions of Characters) --
Looking at Comics Proj Talk...
Am I right in thinking I may have just taken Troll bait? - J Greb 05:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't go that far, but I think prior discussions and consensus may be being obliquely referred to, and it might be a discussion you wouldn't possibly find productive were you to continue. Steve block Talk 10:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi!
It's always good to hear from you, even when I make a mistake. (How else does one learn?) Let me ask, since I guess I misread or misremembered, and I couldn't find it just now, but wasn't there a guideline at some point saying official go under References (as opposed to External links)?
The wiki thing at WP:EL seems vague now that I re-read it: Disallowed are "links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." I'm pretty sure the policy is that, for instance, IMDb always goes under Ext links and not Refs. Does that ring a bell, or am I already in early stages of senility? :- ) Thanks for any help! And again, it's great to have you back. --Tenebrae 22:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- I can't quite follow what your edit did. You renamed the external links section to references, but they aren't references, all the references are already placed in the references or notes sections, these are the external links. The external links section is where you add info for further reading, where as the references and notes sections are for sources which you are summarising in the article. I don't know what you mean by "official go under References". If you removed the wiki link per WP:EL, then fair play, I'll remove that too, but you confused the hell out of me by renaming the section, so I couldn't work out what you were up to at all. Regarding where IMDB goes, if it's used in an article as a reference, it goes in the reference section otherwise it goes in the external links. However, the IMDB should typically only be used as a source for cast listings or transmission or release dates, like it is in Superman. We shouldn't generally use other wikis as references, but there are notable exceptions where people do, I think Spoo is the most famous one. Anyway, I hope that helps, but like I say, I'm still not entirely sure what you were up to. Maybe Wikipedia:Guide to layout and Wikipedia:Citing sources will help explain what the references section is. Anyway, take it easy. Sorry, I meant to post on your talk page about this but it was bedtime. Steve block Talk 09:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Deleting N Visible Records
I just wanted to ask why you deleted the wikipedia page for N Visible Records. This is a real record label, and it is my business. We have several releases, and you can also find our music on itunes. We have sold over 20,000 CDs, and done concerts with our artists all over the country in New York, LA, Chicago, Georgia, Toronto, Montreal, and Manchester TN to name a few. If you do a google search you will find several links to N Visible Records related sites. Please consider reinstating this piece of information on Wikipedia. If it doesn't happen as a wikipedia entry now, it will happen when we sell more records. Thank you for your consideration.
Ben Garvey President N Visible Records nvisiblerecords@gmail.com www.nvisiblerecords.com 161.150.2.58 00:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hey Ben. Sorry that page got deleted and it was so close to your heart. On Wikipedia we've got deletions policies known as speedy deletion, proposed deletion and articles for deletion. Your article was deleted through the proposed deletion method, which basically amounts to someone proposing an article for deletion. If, after five days, no-one has removed the deletion tag or otherwise contested the deletion on the talk page, we delete such articles. Now, looking at the article I've deleted it under the proposed deletion method, but I'd point out that it would also be valid for deletion under our speedy deletion criteria. These allow an article to be deleted immediately without discussion, and I think the article on your company fails under the 11th general criterion:
Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group, service, or person and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company, product, group, service, or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion; an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well.
On Wikipedia, we have a few guidelines to guide us in writing articles, and I think two that probably serve here are Conflict of interestwhich discusses editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups; and notability guidance for organizations and companies which helps determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise) is a valid subject for a Wikipedia article.
Now if you want the article restored at this point, then let me know and I'll happily list it at deletion review, and it can be discussed, and if the community agrees, it can be restored. However, I think it might be more prudent to wait until you do sell more records, and thus gain more coverage in the media. Wikipedia has grown so large now, and being an encyclopedia rather than a general internet resource, that we've had to implement such guidances as I have explained, and mainly what we are trying to implement are our five core content policies, namely that information be verifiable, that information not be made up or form a novel presentation, that information be presented in a balanced manner, along with the policies that determine what we are not and what we do not want. I hope that helps. Good luck with the business. Steve block Talk 12:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yup... again...
Pretty sure you're still watching the RfC for Asgardian, but just in case...
User:Lots42 posted to the RfC with a concern about Asgardian's conduct on Wonder Man. I've posted a reply to the RfC, but it looks like the exact same conduct that others have been complaining about.
- J Greb 07:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Questions About Asgardian and Other Wiki Topics.
1) Where can I read up on doing references better? You know, the little HTML you click on and it takes you to the bottom of the article and it says 'Spiderman #442 July 9 Whatever'
2) What is the right amount of references in a comic book article?
3) Is it frowned upon to delete disruptive comments off your own topic page?
4) I did get all verklempt and I did do a full revert on Asgardian's changes on the Wrecking Crew article. Was the reverting in and of itself a bad thing? I know, I should have stepped away from the whole mess for a while. Acting while ticked off is never a good thing, even if the results are nuetral.
5) When I make a comment on a discussion page, do I need to make a little summary in the box that usually appears down below?
Anywho, thanks in advance, the Wiki explanation articles are quite overwhelming.
- Steve, I am very disappointed to see that this has happened. I have consulted once more with the aforementioned third party - a solicitor - and he has confirmed this now smacks of victimisation. The somewhat nebulous and easily misinterpreted Wikipedia policies do not help.
I have been placing comments for all edits in the Summary. They are all valid and correct. I think that this supposed indiscretion is in fact simply a difference of opinion as to what is major and minor. I regard image play and rearranging large tracts of text to be major, not the removal of incorrect information in a conversational and unsourced POV tone. If you consider "minor" to be simply grammar, numbers etc. then so be it. That's minor. However, this is hardly "earth shaking". A simple note on the Talk Page would have sufficed.
Further to this, it would appear that once again all the "good editing" that I have been doing has been conveniently ignored, which even extends to rewriting substandard articles lacking information or reeking of fan-fuelled POV (eg. Blacklash and Infinity Gauntlet).
Also, the claim that I am practicing WP:OWN and WP:DISRUPT is untrue.
As to WP:OWN, see Hyperion and Black Bolt, where I not only accepted (as we all should) new information on articles I have written but also did a slight tidy up to improve it. But, there it stays. It is only when incorrect/POV/unsourced/ information appears that I will pull it, and as promised leave a note in the Summary. As for WP:DISRUPT, it would be a disruption if I left no comments...which I did. They are all accurate.
I also draw your attention to the comments which I took the time to post on user Lots42 page, as he asked me a direct question. I also addressed the rather immature comment made by user 204.153.84.10. User Lots42 then chose to delete my comment, claming it was the beginning of a flame war, which for my part was not. You can still see my response on the page, and an additional comment by user 204.153.84.10, who is clearly not objective and is hiding behind a number (who is this person?).
I was happy to discuss the matter with Lots42 further, but he has had a "knee-jerk" reaction as opposed to asking for more detail, which I would have given. On an aside, the comments stand - the edits were subjective POV, too conversational and lacked sources. This is not Wikipedia practice.
I also find J. Greb's comment to be in bad faith. The very title "Yup...again" says as much. I would like to kindly suggest that my fellow posters show both civility and good faith, which has not always been evident. This type of behaviour has been adminished by some of my peers, but unfortunately, seems to go unnoticed by moderators.
To conclude, I believe objectivity seems to have "left the building." There now appears to a small "lynch mob" that in Doczilla's own words is acting like a " probation officer waiting to bust him". I will make the odd mistake from time to time - as will everyone else - but this should not an opportunity for someone to instantly pounce. Look at the last dozen Edits I have made - have they improved Wikipedia or not?
I still like the idea of a "monitor" who can watch for any possible breaches. Both Doczilla and Netkinetic have shown objectivity and made valid comments in this capacity.
Asgardian