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Re: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestinian_Media_Watch&diff=649461709&oldid=649426900] - watch it, I'm losing patience with your repeated violations of wikipedia policy . Next stop will be [[WP:AE]], where I expect to bring up your obvious sock puppetry, as well. [[User:I invented "it's not you, it's me"|I invented "it's not you, it's me"]] ([[User talk:I invented "it's not you, it's me"|talk]]) 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC) |
Re: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestinian_Media_Watch&diff=649461709&oldid=649426900] - watch it, I'm losing patience with your repeated violations of wikipedia policy . Next stop will be [[WP:AE]], where I expect to bring up your obvious sock puppetry, as well. [[User:I invented "it's not you, it's me"|I invented "it's not you, it's me"]] ([[User talk:I invented "it's not you, it's me"|talk]]) 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:As I have never used a sock puppet, I look forward to learning how it could be "obvious" that I have. [[User:Gouncbeatduke|Gouncbeatduke]] ([[User talk:Gouncbeatduke#top|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC) |
:As I have never used a sock puppet, I look forward to learning how it could be "obvious" that I have. [[User:Gouncbeatduke|Gouncbeatduke]] ([[User talk:Gouncbeatduke#top|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gouncbeatduke]], as per the oucome of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=649506926#Gouncbeatduke this] AE request you are banned from interacting with [[User:WarKosign]] for three months as per the policy outlined at [[WP:IBAN]]. Please note that this is an Arbitration enforcement decision made under the provision for [[WP:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] as a result of the final decision of [[WP:ARBPIA|Palestine-Israel articles request for Arbitration]]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#808080">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#808080">''talk''</font>]]</sup> 09:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC) |
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Talk Israel thread: This article details Jewish casualties but not Arab casualties, is it giving a NPOV?
You started the above named RfC thread recently. I have recently added a subheading restating the initial question as I considered that the discussion was veering off topic. I know that you also added other perspectives / rephrasings in regard to this question which I may have reverted and thought you should be aware that I have only gone as far as to refer back to the original question.
I would also be interested in hearing of specific reverts of information that I think that I would regard to be Censored.
GregKaye 12:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your work on editing the Israel article. I do not think the article has a NPOV, and I think it is anti-Arab. The article details many events with fewer than 50 Jewish deaths, such as the “On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the Coastal Road Massacre, in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured” statement in the article. When I tried to add references to events with greater than 50 non-Jewish deaths, such as the Deir Yassin massacre and King David Hotel bombing, they where immediately reverted, and there is still no mention of these events in the article. When I tried to add casualty numbers to the one sentence referencing the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, this change was also reverted. I believe all these events are at least as relevant to Israel's history as the Coastal Road Massacre, and should be included in a NPOV article. I believe they we deleted because most of the editors want an article that reflects their anti-Arab bias, and not a NPOV article. I am not Arab or Jewish, I have no bias feelings either way on the subject, and I am only interested in seeing a NPOV article. Gouncbeatduke (talk)
Semi-protection
I've semi'd the page due to harassment. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- On a side note, I'd like to ask that whomever is posting the death threats and so on stop. Seriously, this is not the way to go about accomplishing things and it has been reported. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- I missed it. Is there any way I can see how the "death threats" where worded? It looks like your superduper administrator reverts make it impossible to read. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- Never mind, I got them via email. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- I missed it. Is there any way I can see how the "death threats" where worded? It looks like your superduper administrator reverts make it impossible to read. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
A guard kitten for you!
Couldn't help but to see that thread on ANI and thought your talk page could use some cheer and fuzzy protection in light of it. Keep up the good work and don't let childish behaviour deter you!
Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 28 Shevat 5775 16:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for my furocious guard kitten, I am sure he will keep my family safe from those making death threats. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Surely you mean his furry furocious fury shall keep the baddies at bay! No one ever gives me death threats. I'm jealous.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 3 Adar 5775 16:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Re: user page talks
Gouncbeatduke, you do have the right to ask someone to look into actions taken on your user page. However I don't think that directly asking (User name removed) in this manner is going to accomplish anything. I don't know if he's the person who is doing this and I have no opinion on that. However at the same time you have to consider this: what if he isn't? It's entirely possible that it could be someone else that is doing this and that (User name removed) is entirely unrelated to this. Having differences or issues with one another in other places on Wikipedia does not automatically mean that (User name removed) is the one harassing you and posting like this can in itself be seen as a form of harassment. Really, I don't think that there was any good way to go about asking someone directly about something like this, especially since even if you're correct (and again, I'm not saying that you are) it's extremely unlikely that someone will outright state that they made sockpuppets to make death threats against you since not only would that lead to a permablock and sanctions, but it could also potentially lead to legal actions off Wikipedia depending on where one or both parties live. Gouncbeatduke, I've reported the entire sockpuppet death threats to the Wikimedia legal team, who is looking into everything. If you want to get in touch with them then you can through this e-mail address: emergencywikimedia.org. I know that you must be genuinely rattled and even scared by the threats on your talk page. I've had people make threats against me in the past as well, but this just isn't the best way to go about this. I've removed the thread since there's no positive way that could end and I don't think you'd be able to get the answer you need. I've tagged (User name removed) in this but I'd like to ask that he not reply to this and I'd like to suggest that if possible, that the two of you avoid one another for a little while and if you two do need to revert one another's edits, that you go through another user familiar with the article/topic or through third opinion or dispute resolution. Hopefully things will cool down but right now I just don't think it's a good idea for the two of you to interact with each other. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- Also, since he will obviously read this, I'd like to ask that neither of you use your own talk pages to make indirect comments to one another. I'd like to avoid this going to ANI, if possible. Like I said above, this is being investigated but if you want to directly talk to Wikimedia's legal department then you can through the address above. Now as far as the questions about the threats made on your page, there's no real way that I could let you see them on your talk page without undoing the deletions, although Wikimedia should be able to provide you with this since they have far more permissions/control on Wikipedia than an average admin does. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- Dear Tokyogirl79, As the death threat editor appears to have used some software to mask his real IP address, I imagine Wikipedia’s legal team will recommend allowing any likely socks to continue, despite the death threats. I think you are correct that I made a mistake focusing on a suspect with a similar pattern of behavior, as it will be impossible to prove who was behind this. I expect the only way to deter whoever made the death threats will be if I continue to remove
pro-Jewish/anti-Arab non-NPOV edits from Wikipedia articles, and he sees that his intimidation tactics do not work. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- Dear Tokyogirl79, As the death threat editor appears to have used some software to mask his real IP address, I imagine Wikipedia’s legal team will recommend allowing any likely socks to continue, despite the death threats. I think you are correct that I made a mistake focusing on a suspect with a similar pattern of behavior, as it will be impossible to prove who was behind this. I expect the only way to deter whoever made the death threats will be if I continue to remove
- Comment: If I may comment on something here, even though I'm not involved in this specific incident.... Even though there is no excuse whatsoever for threatening another editor with bodily harm (childishly or seriously), I do think that using terminology such as "Pro-Jewish" in this way is not what I, at the very least, would consider good practice as it casts us like some sort of political faction or idea whereas we are a collection ethno-religious groups. I speak as a Jewish Pro-Palestinian Zionist who wears a Jordanian shemagh daily (and who keeps all his views out of his actual editting). It might be better to refer to the actions of the other user as POV-pushing and anti-Arab (which clearly means hatred of Arabs, something I personally find revolting). Saying "Pro-Jewish/anti-Arab" is something I find really irksome and I'm not easily irked by anything (though more sensitive Jews might find it a bit offensive). For one, it makes it sound like Jews and Arabs are polar opposites, which we are not, and for another, as I said, it makes us sound like a bit of an agenda (which we might be for many politicians, but we're still people) or at least have an agenda (which no one told me about if we do). And yes, I would say the same thing about pro-Arab, pro-Kurdish, pro-Japanese, etc. I hope you'll take these concerns into consideration. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 30 Shevat 5775 18:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing that out. I plan to use the term "anti-Arab non-NPOV" in the future. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- I forgot to add that I know you didn't mean it that way. Apologies if I came across as being harsh at all as it was not my intention, more some unsolicited advice which I hope is helpful. Also, the person whoever the person is that is making those threats seriously needs to reexamine their life, and if they are in fact Jewish, needs to stop embarrassing the rest of us (!יעלה, היה יהודי/ת באמת). Anyway, that's my two ago rot and I'll let you get this talk back on track. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 30 Shevat 5775 22:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think you have NO reason to be embarrassed, and, even if it were true (and I am not saying it is) the bad behavior of one individual or a minority of individuals should never be considered a comment on an ethnic group or a religion (but I also admit to having feelings of embarrassment about jerks of my own ethnic and religious background). Gouncbeatduke (talk) 16:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- I forgot to add that I know you didn't mean it that way. Apologies if I came across as being harsh at all as it was not my intention, more some unsolicited advice which I hope is helpful. Also, the person whoever the person is that is making those threats seriously needs to reexamine their life, and if they are in fact Jewish, needs to stop embarrassing the rest of us (!יעלה, היה יהודי/ת באמת). Anyway, that's my two ago rot and I'll let you get this talk back on track. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 30 Shevat 5775 22:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing that out. I plan to use the term "anti-Arab non-NPOV" in the future. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's kind of an old Yiddish idea I'm getting at there. Back when Jews were all shtetly and timid, there was this idea of not acting shameful in front of non-Jews. (Pardon any mistakes as I don't actually known Yiddish) שאנדא פור די גויים "Shanda für die Goyim" (shame/disgrace in front of the goyim). The expression still survives, though not the attitude (at least not much). Judging by your potential stalker's long term abuse page, does seem like a rather unpleasant fellow. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 4 Adar 5775 20:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- He does sound unpleasant. I'm glad it turned out not to be the editor I asked about it. I still don't understand why that editor wouldn't give me a straight answer when I asked, but I suppose there are all sorts of cultural differences I don't understand. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 13:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- He was kind enough to create an account dubbing me "one of them self hatin' Jews" and used what Coffee could only describe as colourful language. Eh, cultural differences are always tricky. I'll never understand Californians, but Arabs, Israelis, Italians, etc. are easy by comparison. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 9 Adar 5775 23:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- He does sound unpleasant. I'm glad it turned out not to be the editor I asked about it. I still don't understand why that editor wouldn't give me a straight answer when I asked, but I suppose there are all sorts of cultural differences I don't understand. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 13:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's kind of an old Yiddish idea I'm getting at there. Back when Jews were all shtetly and timid, there was this idea of not acting shameful in front of non-Jews. (Pardon any mistakes as I don't actually known Yiddish) שאנדא פור די גויים "Shanda für die Goyim" (shame/disgrace in front of the goyim). The expression still survives, though not the attitude (at least not much). Judging by your potential stalker's long term abuse page, does seem like a rather unpleasant fellow. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 4 Adar 5775 20:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
AE request
AE Request “WarKosign” 19:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- So as not to clutter the AE-board, I will follow up here.
- "That fellow" has been using a lot of IPs from Venezuela, and from other South American countries. Btw, I would´t be afraid even if he was in the house next door: for more than 10 years he has barked extremely nastily, but never, ever bitten. (There is another vandal, up in the San Fran area, who can be dangerous, but he "only" target female admins...) Gouncbeatduke: yes, it throws you off balance at first. I have been on the net for more than two decades, but "that fellow" has been the first to threaten me with rape or murder. But I promise you, in the end you just shrug your shoulders. The really battle-hardended admins (like the ones who has cleaned up my talk-page over the years) have taken enormous amount of abuse. Here is a list of all user-names, take some of the admin-names and see for yourself.
- Anyway, WP:DENY is absolutely, definitely, the best policy to follow when dealing with him. Therefor I am a bit dismayed about all the "dramah" he has managed to create this time. He must be loving it .... :( Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know if there is anything for him to love so far. Certainly, if any admin is stupid enough to take any action based on this specious AE request, they will elevate whoever the death threat editor is to the status of the number one ally of those making anti-Arab POV-pushing edits on Wikipedia. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 22:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Just so you know
I'm afraid that you and I have been dragged into this.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 10 Adar 5775 15:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- Another silly report, at least I am not the target this time. Some editors are clearly more interested in creating reports on the Admin noticeboards than editing any other part of Wikipedia. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see why people don't just calmly hash stuff out on talk pages more often. Drama is a major annoyance. It's much easier to deal with things one on one, and if you deal with people in a friendly manner you're more likely to resolve disputes, get problems settled quickly when they arise, and have their help when you need it. I'm also not understanding what that fellow's problem with me is. I thought he assumed I was saying someone was lying in the RFC, but now I don't understand what the problem is at all. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 10 Adar 5775 16:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- Another silly report, at least I am not the target this time. Some editors are clearly more interested in creating reports on the Admin noticeboards than editing any other part of Wikipedia. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Re: [3] - watch it, I'm losing patience with your repeated violations of wikipedia policy . Next stop will be WP:AE, where I expect to bring up your obvious sock puppetry, as well. I invented "it's not you, it's me" (talk) 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- As I have never used a sock puppet, I look forward to learning how it could be "obvious" that I have. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 01:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Interaction ban
User:Gouncbeatduke, as per the oucome of this AE request you are banned from interacting with User:WarKosign for three months as per the policy outlined at WP:IBAN. Please note that this is an Arbitration enforcement decision made under the provision for discretionary sanctions as a result of the final decision of Palestine-Israel articles request for Arbitration--Cailil talk 09:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)