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Canadian Military Pattern Truck
Are you comfortable now about my intended change to Empire? Waiting on you. If you have any doubts I'd much rather you explained your concerns more fully so no more reverts. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- I prefer to keep the discussion on the article talk page — not here. --GeeTeeBee (talk) 11:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Great, came here because you had gone quiet. I see, looking at said talk page, you still need to get a better grasp of the subject though. Eddaido (talk) 12:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- "I had gone quiet" ? — B.S.! — You had gone quiet since 7 May. The last post in the thread, at the moment you started this section here, was by my hand. --GeeTeeBee (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Great, came here because you had gone quiet. I see, looking at said talk page, you still need to get a better grasp of the subject though. Eddaido (talk) 12:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
General Motors
General Motors built three major tactical trucks, plus commercial models. You know CMPs. The Chevrolet K4100/7100 series is very close to the CMPs. Same "stovebolt" engine, axles (GM built their own "banjo" axles), you know vendor parts.
The K7100s are basically 2-axle GMC CCKW 2½-ton 6x6 trucks. The CCKW has a larger Stovebolt. Early CCKWs had Timken "split" type (obsolete) axles (like the Ford CMPs), some later ones used the GMC banjos. And a quarter/half of CCKWs were built at a Chevy plant in St. Louis.
Three major types are so close that they could have been sold at the same commercial dealer. The CMPs have ugly cabs and single tires (more on them later?). The K7100s kept the standard commercial cab, the CCKWs switched from the same commercial cab to the (Studebaker designed) open model. Mechanically any "wrench" (mechanic) can walk up to any model and use the same tools to change the same parts. The only real difference is the CCKW's tandem rear axles.
Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- You wrote a lot about the difference between the properly standardized Ford and Chevy CMP's, versus the half-baked Dodges on the CMP talk page — stuff I'm fully aware of, and I'm not happy with the current compromise on that article page. My request to the other editor, to include a citation to the book he mentioned, has gone unanswered thus far .. If you want to edit, jump right in — you're far more knowledgeable on trucks than me, and you ref too. I always start from the WP:BOLD principle, so anyone else is free to do the same. I've ordered a copy of Pat Ware's book — waiting for it to come in the mail. --GeeTeeBee (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Jim Allen
Is there some conflict of interest you'd like to get in the open? There seems to be some history of adding promotional material for Ray Cowdery from this account. Adding links to unrelated links to other wikis looks promotional; please explain. Kuru (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Kuru: I have been stalking GTB recently and I am sure that there is no COI. GTB buys books, they do not sell them. If they use something it is because they like it, NOT because there is any financial advantage. Maybe RS, but not any COI.
- I believe your entire post was rude, accusing, and probably insulting to someone who has done a lot of good-faith editing recently. Sammy D III (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's great to hear. Walk me through the addition of the external links at Jim Allen (4x4 writer), Steven Zaloga, David Doyle (writer). Given that they're repeatedly linking to an re-creation of his recently deleted article on an open wiki, on articles that have no direct relation to the author, I'd like to hear the logic. Kuru (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Kuru: Are you saying that he has a COI by linking to other things he has done for profit?
- David Doyle wrote the best source I have ever had in its field. GTB also uses it. Doyle has also published tabloid crap, but he has published a lot and is very knowledgeable. 100% RS. GTB has absolutely no connection with Doyle except as a customer. And as an article creator for a RS author that he thinks is important.
- I looked back a little at Jim Allen. Some "See also"s to articles that existed and an outside link that doesn't work. I assume that Zaloga is similar. EDIT: Jim Allen, David Doyle, and Steven Zaloga are all respected automotive authors who have published work on Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, and "Jeep" 4x4 trucks. All three often cover the same vehicles and components.
- Why so negative? Could trying to stretch crappy sources (this editor usually has excellent ones) be mistaken for a COI? Have you checked their contribs? Good faith?
- What does this editor have to gain other than views on good-faith articles? Sammy D III (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'll try to be more specific, as your response does not seem to be linked to my question. My objection was to the addition of external links to an external re-publication of GeeTeeBee's now-deleted article on "Ray Cowdery" on the three articles listed above. If there's a small group of niche editors who want to create articles about their favorite marginally-notable authors, I really don't usually care. In this instance, the persistence of promoting their (GeeTeeBee's) self-created material looks problematic. Hence, a request for information. Still looking for an answer. Kuru (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- "to articles that existed and an outside link that doesn't work".
- I now see that you two are edit-warring, I am here about COI only.
- You are still talking about crappy sources, not money. You have it circular, using Wikipedia to source Wikipedia, but COI? RS.
- Damned with faint praise, by the way. Can you see us down here? Sammy D III (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'll try to be more specific, as your response does not seem to be linked to my question. My objection was to the addition of external links to an external re-publication of GeeTeeBee's now-deleted article on "Ray Cowdery" on the three articles listed above. If there's a small group of niche editors who want to create articles about their favorite marginally-notable authors, I really don't usually care. In this instance, the persistence of promoting their (GeeTeeBee's) self-created material looks problematic. Hence, a request for information. Still looking for an answer. Kuru (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's great to hear. Walk me through the addition of the external links at Jim Allen (4x4 writer), Steven Zaloga, David Doyle (writer). Given that they're repeatedly linking to an re-creation of his recently deleted article on an open wiki, on articles that have no direct relation to the author, I'd like to hear the logic. Kuru (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Sigh, (slow head shake). Another one of these pompous old-timers. They appoint themselves more important than anyone else and take off on some crusade. Demand that people defend themselves from accusations that have no basis in fact. I don't know what their success rate is, but when they get it wrong they are unable to accept their mistakes. They say "it's your fault that I was suspicious of you and attacked you for my own personal reasons". Probably some personal insults to show how much more important they are than you. They simply can not bring themselves to say "oops, sorry". Common decency...
What? The microphone is "hot"? Sammy D III (talk) 22:21, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- You're right, I am having trouble seeing you through that haze of indignation. I'll try again. This has nothing to do with "crappy sources". The material I removed was an addition to the external links section of an article; not a reference. These links are expected to be on-topic, and to include material that adds to the depth of an article. In this instance, the link was added to several articles without any explanation. I removed the link with the summary of "unrelated" or "not clear how this is related to the topic". In the case of Jim Allen (4x4 writer) the link was again added without comment, then removed by me without comment. I queried here, looking for an explanation for a clearly mis-aligned link. Often, this occurs due to some random COI - not a financial COI, but maybe a buddy who also likes the same topic matter. The previous pattern of edits joined with a link to his own self-published material indicate that there is some deeper issue that I'd like to understand, instead of edit warring.
- If you're capable of supplying this rationale it would be pretty helpful since he hasn't, but spare me the invented drama and "old-timer" conspiracy drivel. Kuru (talk) 22:58, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think that this is called a tangent, when you steer the discussion away from the original topic. The topic here has always been whether there was a COI. I have always been talking about money. "buys" "sell" "financial advantage" "profit" "customer". You just threw "maybe a buddy who also likes the same topic matter" in, but it doesn't matter. The editor almost certainly doesn't know any one of these authors without Amazon.
- Nit-picking about sources, refs, and links is just more distraction. I don't care about them other than how they relate to COI. I personally don't think that Doyle should have an article, but I know that these links/refs/sources give GTB no advantage outside of Wikipedia.
- That post was "queried"? "Often, this occurs" "previous pattern" "indicate" are your subjective opinions, not facts. Whether they were valid or not is immaterial, they brought you to a false conclusion (even if it was only "may have") that you will not acknowledge was an error. You rudely call the editor a whore and will not apologize for your error. How can you possibly think that GTB is shilling for these established authors?
- Why should GTB answer your demand for them to defend themself? Don't pretend that post was polite. They have every right to tell you to... Not answering might be the polite thing to do. They could be just laying back, chuckling, waiting for the dust to clear. Remember, they know who I am.
- I am going to stand behind my "Sigh, (slow head shake)..."hot"?" post for now. You can easily prove me wrong, the words are "oops, sorry" (to GTB, of course, not me). Sammy D III (talk) 01:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- None of this is a tangent; it's the precise reason for the question. "Almost certainly", "profit", "financial advantage", "customer" are your own suppositions explicitly introduced to support your position that this is some kind of irrational persecution.
- Your claim of "nit-picking" is my similar way of avoiding your own deliberate attempts to confuse the question. I don't care about your talking points of which authors are reliable sources or "respected automotive authors"; I care about the action I questioned. "Shilling" and "whore" are more of your own inflammatory inventions. Common decency, you say.
- While I'd love to continue, let me try a different tack. I've re-read my initial comments, and I can see that I started with wording that looks like an accusation, and was far too terse. I apologize for that. I'd still like to understand the reasons for adding that link, as above. Kuru (talk) 03:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for that last paragraph, pretty much what I was looking for.
- Please read my first reply and the first sentence of my next reply. That has been my only position, that GTB was not doing anything here for money. Again: That has been my only position, that GTB was not doing anything here for money. Anything other than GTB taking money (or friendship somehow) has been a tangent to me. I think you are trying to pull me into your (plural your) links and I don't want to go there.
- Thanks for talking. Sammy D III (talk) 04:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- While I'd love to continue, let me try a different tack. I've re-read my initial comments, and I can see that I started with wording that looks like an accusation, and was far too terse. I apologize for that. I'd still like to understand the reasons for adding that link, as above. Kuru (talk) 03:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
June 2018
Hello, I'm Doug Weller. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Tommy Robinson (activist) that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 07:51, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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