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Hi GPRamirez. Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for this great contribution. This new section absolutely belongs at the page, and I think you've done a great job of framing it. The topic may also deserve a page of its own; perhaps something expansive, like Armed resistance to racism in the United States. (The Malcolm X–George Lincoln Rockwell telegram comes to mind as also worthy of discussion.) Clearly you are quite capable of using Wikipedia style, but please let me know if I can be of any assistance. Shalom, groupuscule (talk) 01:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Do you mean the heaps of unreferenced and non-neutral material I removed fully in line with policy? Please see WP:RS, WP:V, WP:BLP, WP:NPOV... GiantSnowman 18:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- But none of it was verified by reliable sources, and comments like "one of Cambridge's wealthiest and most powerful citizens", "Richardson appreciated her family’s intellectualism", "Richardson learned to more fully appreciate her African ancestry, as well as how to hone her analytical skills in order to fight bigotry and discrimination" etc. etc. are examples of the non-neutral language. GiantSnowman 19:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
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Black Panther Party
Thank you for your work on the Black Panther Party page. There is so much in the current page that is infuriatingly distorted, poorly sourced, and distracts from the salient political history with allegations of criminality. I have been too busy to work on this, but it seems vitally important. I really appreciate the efforts you have made to begin correcting these errors. BlackHistoryScholar (talk) 02:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
There are several users who really hate the Black Panther Party, in the David Horowitz school, are fairly knowledgeable about the history, very savvy wikipedia users, and have lots of free time. They have made the page truly awful. The page reads like Horowitz, or Hugh Pearson, only more jumbled. The effect is to obscure the politics of the Party. In the long term, I am committed to helping get the page right. But it is hard for me to find time to work on it, especially given that the Haters are always undoing the work we contribute.
Perhaps if we work together, and recruit a few more knowledgeable and responsible editors, we can get the page right.
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Ditto. I appreciate your edits to the page. Where did you go? Policing.the.police (talk) 04:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, I just got a bit busy IRL. I'll jump back in where I can. I've been working on the Stokely Carmichael page, lately, which has its own controversies. GPRamirez5 (talk) 00:23, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, something came up and I will be pretty much out of action until the new year. We were just starting to turn the page around! In another month or two, the page would actually be decent. In any case, there is a link to email me on my user page. Feel free to use it, especially if someone is making edits that reverse the progress made, or if you want suggestions to sources, etc. Policing.the.police (talk) 22:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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I've semi-protected it. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 17:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the barnstar. Much appreciated. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 19:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- @CambridgeBayWeather: To be able to continue editing after your semi-protection of the article, it seems like the IP user registered a user namned Dwightkschrute91. The user still continue to remove the same info as before the semi-protection. Dnm (talk) 13:27, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- You feel that there is consensus for your version? CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 20:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I've unprotected the page. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 19:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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Civil Rights Movement template
Hello, and good to meet you. Most of the entries you made are really good, very nice. Everyone has missed those. I did remove the Watts riot, which wasn't really Civil Rights Movement related, and put the King assassination riots as a subsection of that entry (and added 'funeral' which should have been included long ago too). John Dittmer, the historian, really has nothing in the body of his article to have him included, but maybe that's just how the page is written and it could be bulked up to include his books and publications, which are now in references. Don't know how the '63 Birmingham bombs and riot was left out for so long. Very good additions. Randy Kryn 20:24 9 October, 2014 (UTC)
- Hello. Have left two notes on my talk page under yours. I've put the template events into chronological order (thanks for the push to focus on this again) and added a related section (have put 'Watts riots' into related, seem okay?). Please have a look at both. Thanks. Randy Kryn 13:25 11 October, 2014 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn, Thank you. Although, I have to say, if Emmett Til, the 16th Street Church Bombing and the King assassination riots are full-fledged key movement events, than the Watts Rebellion would qualify as a key event as well. To acknowledge something as a key event or phenomenon isn't to endorse it. GPRamirez5 (talk) 20:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. Thanks for the interesting discussion. Emmett Till himself isn't the event that was key, but the open casket that his mother insisted on, showing his decaying and destroyed body to the world and saying, nonviolently, "Look what you've done to my son". By graphically showing the results of a legally segregated two-tiered society she nonviolently created a movement action. The 16th Street Church bombing was both directly linked with the Birmingham Children's Crusade - the church being the center of James Bevel's organizing and educating the children to nonviolently take their brave stand, and where they marched out of to take their individual walks to talk to the Mayor - and the Alabama Project, which evolved into the Selma Voting Rights Movement (Bevel and Diane Nash at first wanted to kill the people that built and set the bomb, but turned their anger into nonviolent action for the right to vote and organized, that same day, the Alabama Project). The King riots, I wouldn't really put those into movement events if I were solely writing and assembling the template, but when you put that page on the template I moved it to a subsection of the assassination. After reading the Watts riots page I've yet to see how it fits into the Civil Rights Movement, so I must have a closed personal view of the movement as being first and foremost a nonviolent movement (and would define a 'movement' action as being much more structured than a spontaneous riot, a structure built around obtaining a legal civil right). How about if we move Till to 'related' and extend the entry to read 'Emmett Till's funeral', and leave the Watts page in that section as well? Just an idea, or option. Randy Kryn 19:28 13 October, 2014 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn, Thank you. Although, I have to say, if Emmett Til, the 16th Street Church Bombing and the King assassination riots are full-fledged key movement events, than the Watts Rebellion would qualify as a key event as well. To acknowledge something as a key event or phenomenon isn't to endorse it. GPRamirez5 (talk) 20:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hello again. I've been interested in the very large additions to the Selma march page that you've been putting up, almost all of it very good work. The newest data has some inaccuracy, but nothing that's in publication as far as I know. When Andrew Young "suspended demonstrations" he did not have the authority to do that (James Bevel was running the movement), but he made an agreement with Selma authorities to have people sign an "appearance book", a book saying that they were there to register to vote and that it would be enough to call off the standing-in-line at the courthouse. Bevel immediately said that this agreement was not in effect, and King later agreed with him. As you have it written it was King's decision. Just a back-story for you, as you are doing the research right now. Bevel also met with, and was fine with, Malcolm X, who he had heard talk years before. Randy Kryn 17:42 18 November, 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm not sure how to be more precise here, though, without being even more detailed and long-winded. I mentioned Andrew Young by name to indicate that it was his decision, and I think the language there indicates King did not agree. With that said, most of the sources (Taylor Branch for one) do refer to a plurality of unnamed SCLC executives being "panicked" by Malcolm's arrival. There's a photo of Bevel and Malcolm in that Jet article I linked to, incidentally.GPRamirez5 (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll check out the Jet page and see if I can photograb the pic as well. A picture of Bevel and Malcolm should be an interesting addition to the important photos of the era if it hasn't been widely used. Bevel was one of those who wasn't panicked when Malcolm X came to town, met with him, and had a good talk in which he invited him to stay and be an active participant in the movement. I should add the Abernathy quotes about Bevel's pivotal role in Selma to the page, but have hesitated using quotes on pages due to the excess weight a quote section gives the words, but in this case they seem appropriate. Again, nice work, and you are really giving the article a much needed infusion of data. Randy Kryn 13:17 19 November, 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for restoring my referenced U.S. State Department quote regarding the leader of the White Helmets being refused entry to the U.S. It seems to have ruffled a few anonymous users' feathers for some reason. That was actually the second occasion that it has been completely deleted by an anonymous user without any reason provided.
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- We've all had a few pathetic moments in our life Winkelvi, haven't you? In my own, I've appreciated the intervention of those who've alerted me to it. Of course, you may believe that Volunteer Marek, after his numerous sanctions and bans for the very behavior you accuse me of, is a model Wikipedian. I'll factor that in.
- Wikipedia is no place for humor, amiright? - GPRamirez5 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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- User:Winkelvi, What is your relationship to Volunteer Marek, and how did you come to be involved in this issue? Have you exchanged any off-Wiki communications regarding his editing strategy and his attitudes towards me? I couldn't help but ask. GPRamirez5 (talk) 17:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- I have no "relationship" with VM, I've noticed what's happening because of what's on my Watchlist, neither of us have "exchanged off-Wiki communications" over the things you've mentioned here. You need to cool it, step away from the whole thing for a while, and get a clearer head. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 17:37, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Continued canvassing here and here. Are you sure you want to push this envelope? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 17:51, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I find your denials less than convincing User:Winkelvi. I think you'll find you're not the only one with a watch list. Cheers. GPRamirez5 (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, well. Frankly, I couldn't care less if you believe me or don't. Typically, I don't respond to questions such as the ones you asked above because those who ask such questions are on a hunt for something to disparage another editor. In your case, however, I decided to WP:AGF. No loss to me for doing so, a big one for you with your inability to see the forest for the trees. So be it. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey GPRamirez, since you find it fit to bring up my supposed "numerous sanctions and bans" (false), and since I honestly have no idea who you are, I have to ask - how come you're so familiar with my edits? Volunteer Marek 18:23, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
All public information friend. It's hard to miss edits which are so large, so unsubtle, and so poorly reasoned. And all targeted at my contributions in recent days...That's just a coincidence, of course. Your good faith is unimpeachable. GPRamirez5 (talk) 19:20, 26 December 2017 (UTC) GPRamirez5 (talk) 19:20, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Origins of the Cold War and NPOV Notiveboard
Right now, the issue with your proposed text isn't the the sourcing of the information. Just because the information is verifiable doesn't guarantee its inclusion. You need to convince other editors that this information belongs in the article. I suspect ossne of the reasons you're failing to do that is your attitude. The way I see it, you added a lot of text to the article. Later on, other editors removed this and you proceeded to edit war with them. Then on the talk page, when they explained to you that much of your text used bad sources, or the text was unsupported by you references, you fought with them, sometimes using insulting or belittling language. Since then you've been fighting a war on the article. And I'm surse your rant on the noticeboard won't help matters. I suggest you 1) find more sources backing up the claim that lots of historians believe Operation Sunrise was an important cause or contributor to the Cold War and 2) adjust your attitude. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 16:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Then on the talk page, when they explained to you that much of your text used bad sources, or the text was unsupported by you references, you fought with them..."
- Except that you yourself on the noticeboard just acknowledged my sources were sound. So the most unreasonable parties were the ones who dismissed them out of hand, weren't they?
- Also, besides my attitude, what do you think the other reasons for the denial are? -GPRamirez5 (talk) 17:23, 5 January 201sssssdssa8 (sssUTC)
- No. I said that your sources were sound for including mention of Operation Sunrise as an event leading up to the Cold War. Now that I look back on what you had originally wrote, I see that you included some claims on this topic that were not supported by a reliable source. Additionally, there was all the other material that was removed, and other editors gave a list of reasons to remove it, which included your misrepresentation of sources. That's what I'm talking about. As to other people's reasons for opposing the material, I won't speculate. I would guess they've explained that themselves, if you'd care to read what they've written. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Can you give me an example of what you mean by misrepresentation of a source? Because the relationship between Sunrise and the Cold War was originally alleged to be a misrepresentation by the editors whom you are referring to, and I have since debunked that. - GPRamirez5 (talk) 23:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know you read them, because you responded to that thread. "Some historians have argued that the Cold War began when the US negotiated a separate peace with Nazi SS General Karl Wolff in northern Italy" was sourced to that NY Times opinion piece. While I personally thing that opinion piece, being written by a historian, is a good reason to include information about Karl Wolff and Operation Sunrise, it cannot be used as a reliable source for factual statements. This was pointed out to you by Volunteer Marek. Additionally, in the same thread, they pointed out that the references you listed after your comment on Khalkin Gol did not support the substance of your comment. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 14:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you "personally thing that" you should advocate for it. The guidelines are guide lines. WP:NORULES On finer points, sources are judged according to context. And even within the guidelines, it is acceptable to use an opinion piece by an accomplished expert as long as one is not making blanket claims. "Some historians argue" acknowledges there is debate, and provides links so readers can explore and make up their own minds.-GPRamirez5 (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- You really don't understand what I'm trying to say, and you've completely ignored what I said about your mistakes, just as you ignored those other editors on the talk page. I am no longer interested in engaging with you, or on this issue. Good luck. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
But if I ignored them, how could I have met their critique on the Karl Wolff issue and successfully rebutted them? - GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please review WP:BRD. When your Bold edit has been Reverted by another editor, the next step, if you continue to think the edit is necessary, is to Discuss it on the article talk page, not to re-revert it, which is the first step to edit warring. During the discussion, the article remains in the status quo ante.
You were asked to discuss this issue on the talk page in order to see if there was a consensus to include the material in the article, and chose instead to re-insert it without discussion. Please do not do this again. Honor WP:CONSENSUS and make your arguments on the talk page for other editors to respond to.
Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- You seem to be mistaken about the reverts, and acting in an extremely rude and alienating way. Can you please include difs? -GPRamirez5 (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2018 (UTC) GPRamirez5 (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, you are correct, you never reverted my first deletion, so the second reversion was not a violation of BRD. I apologize. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken. Thank you for your candor. What do you think of the current discussion on the Talk page? -GPRamirez5 (talk) 15:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC) GPRamirez5 (talk) 15:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I was wondering if you could take a look at the latter two articles, given your interest in this field. A friend of our keeps on blanking sourced material he doesn't like, and then keeps on editing a quote in the final article to misrepresent what the source actually says. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumbubookworm (talk • contribs) 09:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well, it look like you already got an administrator involved, but I'll keep an eye on them for sure. -GPRamirez5 (talk) 14:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Thank you for the invite!-GPRamirez5 (talk) 11:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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I wanted to ask you about a comment you made during the CRM discussion here. What are the best reliable sources you've encountered for the spring and summer of 1963? I've encountered alot of books that are only restatements of Theodore H. White assertion from The Making of the President 1964.
- The massive Birmingham protest had triggered demonstrations all across the nation, and, like firecrackers, one popping off the next, all through May and June of 1963, Negroes took to the streets. The National Guard patrolled Cambridge, Maryland; in Jacksonville, Florida, the police cleared demonstrations with tear gas; in Memphis, Tennessee, the city fathers closed the municipal pool. And everywhere from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Charlottesville, Virginia, students manned the lunch-counter front.
The turbulence spread north: in Sacramento, Negroes sat-in at the State Capitol; in Detroit they invaded City Hall and demanded the city fire its chief of police and subject him to criminal trial; in New York, Negro activists dumped garbage on City Hall Plaza; in Philadelphia they clashed with police at a construction site; in Chicago, at a cemetery that refused to bury Negroes. In the ten weeks following the Birmingham uprising, the Department of Justice counted 758 demonstrations across the nation; during the course of the summer, there were 13,786 arrests of demonstrators in seventy-five cities of the eleven Southern states alone.
I came across a quote by Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. in Journals: 1952-2000 in which he stated,
- My guess is that May-June 1963 will go down in history as the great turning point in the fight for Negro equality. There has been nothing like it in the way of spontaneous mass democracy in this county since the surge of labor organization in the summer of 1937.
I have yet to find one or more works dedicated to that brief period. Just curious. Mitchumch (talk) 18:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- As far as full monographs, the closest is the book on the Cambridge movement, Civil War on Race Street by Peter Levy. Also look at p. 165 to 170 in From Civil Rights to Human Rights by Thomas F.Jackson. Recurring discussion of the period appears in The Bystander by Nicholas Bryant as well.-GPRamirez5 (talk) 19:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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