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Referencing
Hi, first of all welcome to Wikipedia. You did a great job with the Irish Sea article, but I just want to point out one small error. You need to use this character -> " in the <ref name="foo">bar</ref> element, as the character you used is not recognised and caused the problem you encountered. I went and tidied it up, but well done for being bold and having a go. Sorry if I sound patronising, but not many new users attempt to use the <ref> tags, and you did a bloody good job nonetheless. You're definitely the type of contributor we should be helping and encouraging. Keep up the good work!
- You're very kind, and also very quick! Thanks. The perils of compiling an article using MS Word where " becomes ”. --FactotEm 13:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Irish Sea
The Special Barnstar | ||
I award you the Special Barnstar for your excellent work on the article Irish Sea |
I got my first barnstar the other week, so I'm only too happy to award you one too.
question on help desk
which image do you want to use? Chanueting 12:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- It was the map of Omaha beach, but the question has been answered now. Thanks. --FactotEm 13:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Barnstar
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
I award Factotem the Barnstar of Diligence for his excellent, detailed and dedicated work on Omaha Beach. His willingness to remain calm, cool and polite whilst around him raged abuse over Severloh is also notable. Gillyweed 22:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
re:Use of fair use image
Hi there Factotem. You have done nothing wrong with inserting these Images into the article on Omaha Beach. One thing I may suggest is getting some references in the paragraph that it's in, if unreferenced text is removed, more than likely Images having to do with unreferenced text can be nominated for deletion.
A problem I spotted is that 3 Images, Image:Capa, D-Day2.jpg, Image:Capa, D-Day1.jpg and Image:Capa, Death of a Loyalist Soldier.jpg do not have rationales and I am going to tag them as such. The uploader of all three Images is User:Cactus.man, so I'll leave him messages regarding it. But you can help if you like. You can write rationales for these Images if you like, see Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline if you like to learn how to. After seven days of me tagging them, they will be deleted, so you can either write a rationale or see if Cactus.man will.
If you need help, just drop another line :) — Moe ε 17:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late response. Sure, you move the Image were you think is most appropriate for the article. If you check the Fair Use rationale writing guideline I linked above and followed a few categories to articles using fair use templates, I'm sure you'll find some that are properly sourced. If you need help finding them, ask me. Or if you're in doubt that an Image has correct information, you can ask that as well. — Moe ε 18:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I found an essay if you like: Wikipedia:Fair use rationale examples. Cheers! — Moe ε 18:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I suppose the most applicable one would be {{Non-free historic image}}. Just type this (under a heading called Licensing) and rationale for Fair Use in the description box while uploading and you should be fine. — Moe ε 19:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Almost perfect, but otherwise a gem :) — Moe ε 19:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hi FactotEm, thanks for adding the fair use rationales to these images. You just spared me a wee bit of work. No big deal perhaps, but much appreciated nonetheless. Best wishes. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!
Your edits were also valuable to the final product that is the article on Augustus. I commend you and everyone else who contributed.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'll toss my thanks into this basket. Appreciate the feedback on Operation Battleaxe, I've started on a few of them and I'll try to address the other suggestions when time permits. Thanks again! Oberiko 20:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Congrats
Congratulations on Omaha Beach becoming a featured article. Well deserved! Gillyweed 10:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- And thank you kindly for the barnstar - and on my birthday too! Gillyweed 10:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
It is indeed a great picture, but it is an unfree image, and it does not add anything to the article that a free image could not do. Danny 13:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Gimli Glider
Just wanted to say, excellent additions to Gimli Glider, the story of how it went wrong is the part I wanted to read most. Hope you don't mind my rather extensive copyedits. :) Eaglizard 21:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Omaha Beach
Fact, I'm honestly very glad that someone is checking my work, thank you! And I will concede to your opinion completely on undaunted; I really thought it was over the top myself, but I guess I was feeling a little impressed by those damned engineers! As for other changes you made, I'll have a look the next time I pick up this article, but I'm sure I'll like them. I'm mostly just trying to rewrite some of the really dry, oddly-syntaxed sentences in that one, maybe hilight a bit of the drama more clearly (which is not out of place in an encyclopedia, within reason; for instance, I really liked the change to the active "found themselves passing struggling men" (although I don't like the two "...ing" words together), but undaunted I guess is too much :). This sort of copy-edit is actually what I do for fun and relaxation when I need a break from the deeply-obfuscated and emotionally challenging Talk: Alice Bailey page. :) Eaglizard 11:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, I made a minor change, inserting the word "however" at the beginning, for a slight dramatic effect, and replacing "40%" with "forty percent", as per WP:MOS. The second change prompted me to reword the sentence altogether, so see if you're ok with it, if you want. Also, I want to add that my reference to "dry, oddly-syntaxed sentences" wasn't meant to malign anything you wrote; in fact, perhaps I was a bit inconsiderate using those terms. I hope you'll take my meaning well, but if you feel slighted, I certainly apologize. The kind of edits I making would be rather absurd on a blank page, so thanks for your contributions! Eaglizard 12:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Short-form clarification
To clarify, I wouldn't switch the entire ref section to short-form. Just the things you cite more than once, to avoid repeating the entire ref info. Pagrashtak 16:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Flying Matters
Thanks, I have responded to your useful comments on the Flying Matters talk page which is probably the best place for the main thread of the discussion.PeterIto (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Could you engage with the discussion on Talk:AirportWatch as it is currently being challenged very strongly in a way I find unhelpful and needs input from others with a konwledge of the sector. Thanks. PeterIto (talk) 15:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. Possibly we should first move all the discussion on this to the talk page for your 'Future....' article. Personally have been thinking along the ideas of an article/section on 'aviation campaigning and protests' which would list the issues, the airports that each issue relates to, and then a table showing organisations are active in which geographical areas on which issues. For example StopHeathrowExpansion are active on noise/climate change/air quality/airportexpansion in relation to Heathrow, StopStansted expansion in regard to Stansted, and Plane Stupid are active in the whole of the UK on airport exapansion, short haul flights and taxation. Flying Matters can also fit into this structure. This article could be a world scope article to pick up on campaigns (pro-growth and anti-growth) all round the waorld as the issues are likely to be the same PeterIto (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Domestic aviation & Kyoto protocol
Yep, although Kyoto gives individual countries/parties a free hand over what it does domestically, it defines what forms the AAU - assigned allowance units - can take, and how they can be traded internationally. Aviation is explicitly excluded. This was set up in the Marrakesh Accords immediately after Kyoto. This will present the European Commission some challenges, as they wish to include aviation within their ETS trading system. They use EAUs which are currently fungible/equivalent with AAUs, as they built them on the Marrakesh standards. There is currently no legal basis for exchanging a tonne of aviation carbon - however that eventually gets defined - with an AAU. Thus any domestic or EU scheme cannot trade Kyoto units for its own aviation units. This isn't just a problem of "whose carbon is it?", but there is currently no definition in aviation terms of a what an equivalent tonne of CO2 (CO2e) is, and what factor it should take at high or low altitude. (There are agreed factors for the fluorocarbons, methane, etc.) There is a similar problem with maritime shipping which is also outside Kyoto. Ephebi (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Future of air transport in the United Kingdom
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Thankyou very much for your comments and peer review, I have responded at the [FAC page].--Jackyd101 (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thankyou very much for your comments and support for the Glorious First of June article which has just passed FAC. Your input was much appreciated. --Jackyd101 (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the copy-edit!
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Thank you so much for the thorough, unexpected, and extremely useful copy-edit! Maximian's looking much cleaner now that you're through with him. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 18:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
- I've replied to your issues on talk. Have they been suitably clarified, or do you still feel there are issues with the article? Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've clarified their qualifications. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it's accurate. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Are further changes needed? Geuiwogbil (Talk) 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it's accurate. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've clarified their qualifications. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
(unindent) I've tweaked out all but one "purples" and all the "thrones". About the possessive "s", it's general practice to require it in more formal settings. According to Wikipedia: "Traditionally it was more common to require and many respected sources still do require that practically all singular nouns, including those ending with a sibilant sound, have possessive forms with an extra s after the apostrophe. [...] Such sources would demand possessive singulars like these: Senator Jones's umbrella; Mephistopheles's cat." The MOS accepts both styles, but requires consistency: "Usage varies for the possessive of singular nouns ending in s sounds. Maintain consistency (James' house or James's house, but not both in the same article). Some forms almost always take an extra s (Ross's father); some usually do not (Socrates' wife; Moses' ascent of Sinai; Jesus' last words)." It's not an entirely uncommon practice in this situation, as Google searches can attest: Constantius's and Galerius's. (Do you know how to get the search box to recognize a search for "Galerius' "? Google's obstinate on this point, so I can't get comparative data.) So it's not a straight-out error, though it may be the less popular choice. As for the general quality of the prose, I'll give it a going over some time in the coming days. Thanks again for the copy-edit! Geuiwogbil (Talk) 23:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've checked: Barnes and Williams don't use the "'s", so I'll remove them. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 00:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- I believe I've addressed your final comments. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 09:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) Geuiwogbil (Talk) 09:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- I believe I've addressed your final comments. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 09:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Brevity
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I would just to say thank you, for all the copyedits which you have made over the last couple of weeks. They have really helped in whipping the Operation Brevity article into shape. Prost!--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC) |
General Aviation in UK
Just wanted to say, excellent work on this article! (Nico) 18 Jun 2008 (UTC)
I am new to Wikipedia, and apologize in advance for any mistakes I have made in formatting or protocol. I commend you on your work on the Omaha Beach Wiki. It is simply outstanding. I am the person who recently edited the sentence in the Naval Support section of the Omaha Beach Wiki from:
"With no naval shore parties in action, targets difficult to spot, and because of the fear of hitting their own troops, the big guns of the battleships and cruisers concentrated on targets at each flank of the Omaha beaches."
to
"With targets difficult to spot, and because of the fear of hitting their own troops, the big guns of the battleships and cruisers concentrated on targets at each flank of the Omaha beaches."
You subsequently undid the edit, stating "Sources say that naval shore parties were on the beach but unable to operate, thus this statement."
I request that you restore my edit, or at least reword the part that states, "With no naval shore parties in action." Here's why.
I have found two official sources (Army and Navy) that explicitly state that Naval Shore Fire Control Parties (NSFCP) were in action on Omaha Beach. The first, http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/100-11/ch4.htm (page 83) states, "Naval gunfire became a major factor as communications improved between shore and ships. At first, targets were still hard to find; Gunfire Support Craft Group reported at 0915 that danger to friendly troops hampered fire on targets of opportunity; an NSFCP in contact with ships was told by General Cota (about 0800) that it was 'unwise to designate a target.'" The second can be found on http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/rep/Normandy/ComNavEu/ComNavEu-507.html#cn521-1, in footnote # 1 for page 521. It states, "Although Shore Fire Control Parties were landed at H plus 30 minutes, they were in many cases unable to set up their equipment because of casualties and enemy fire," which supports your statement, but then continues, " At this juncture the destroyers Carmick, Doyle, Mccook, Thompson, Frankford, Harding, Emmons, and Baldwin, and the three British Hunts, Melbreak, Talybont and Tanatside, closed the beach and took under fire many of the enemy positions. Their fire was directed in part from the ships and in part from Shore Fire Control Parties which managed to set up communications."
Finally, a Naval Shore Party consisted of much more than just fire control. Please see http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/rep/Normandy/ComNavEu/ComNavEu-563.html (pages 571-572), which details the composition that was used for the American beach landings. Omaha Beach was served by companies of the 6th and 7th Naval Beach Battalions, attached to the Army's 5th and 6th Engineer Special Brigades respectively. To state that there were "no naval shore parties in action," or that they were "unable to operate" can be interpreted as overlooking the contributions of the other elements within the beach battalions. Uncle adal (talk) 18:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Re SNAE
Brilliant stuff. Hit hard and enjoy it. Brianboulton (talk) 22:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
General aviation - new review
Where do you want me to post the new review? On the article's talkpage?Brianboulton (talk) 21:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
In view of the meticulous peer review work you did for this article, I thought you'd like to know that it has finally made it to FAC. Fingers crossed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Erich Hartmann
I surely would appreciate some help. English is not my native language and it has already required a lot of effort to translate from German to English and put the information into correct context. I don't mean this as an excuse not to fulfill FAC standard but as a gesture of an outstretched hand to except help where my capabilities are exhausted. MisterBee1966 (talk) 21:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, will do. MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Wow, it sounds much better! I approve!MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
General aviation in UK: promotion
Congratulations. This is a high-class article, and I am pleased to have been involved, in a small way, with its deserved promotion to FA. Your next project is awaited with interest. Brianboulton (talk) 09:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'll second that. It was a nice change to see a FAC that wasn't about a film or a video game. Hope my contributions were of some use & not too pedantic! All the best. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 10:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Any plans for WP:TFAR? --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 17:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- You're right—it does seem an arcane process! It must have changed over the last few months: the last one I was involved with (Turkish language) was pretty straightforward (no points system etc).--NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 21:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
General aviation in Europe ?
Dear Factorem, Congrats for your article “General aviation in UK”. I really think that we should start an article on “General aviation in Europe”. As I am a newcomer in Wikipedia, are you interested in taking the lead of this work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nic Germ (talk • contribs) 14:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Op Brev
Sry, you wanted a yes or no start-up cue, and I thought you'd done your example already but just saw from the edit history that you haven't. Please go ahead. Tony (talk) 13:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Am happy with your proposal Factotem. :) --EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 12:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- In reply to your question:
Jentz, p.129
British order of battle:
On the border 14 May 1941 (i would take it, considering some forces named there is no information on them taking part and some were followup forces that the OOB is for all forces on the border and not all forces taking part in Brevity)
7th Armoured Brigade group (although Jentz and Playfair spell "group" with a capital G, it is my understanding that since there were not permant formations the correct spelling is with a lower case G. See Brigade group):
2nd RTR
6th Aussie Divison Cavalry
11th Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (Frontier Force) (as far i know, did not take part in the fighting)
One squadron 2nd Royal Lancers (think he means the 2nd Lancers (Gardner's Horse), who i have never seen any mention in all sources that they took part in actual fighting so have not included them)
259th AT Battery
- Likewise the 7th Support Group has elements of the 3rd Hussars in it and the Kings Royal Rifle Corps, both regimental histories are hazy about if they were involved or not and no accounts mention them being in the actual fighting so likewise they have been dropped from the OOB.
- Am not going to be around for a few hours so i can give your CE the once over later on.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ok feedback as requested.
- Since the context of the paragraph has changed the citation: "Clarke, pp. 166–167" can go as iirc it does not back up what is now currently there. While Jentz gives an order of battle he does not provide tank figures which is what Playfair gives so those two will have to stay.
- Overall the CE looks good although there are a few minor things:
- Should there be a second comma in:
His primary objectives were to capture Halfaya Pass, drive the enemy from the Sollum and Capuzzo areas, and inflict as much loss on the opposing forces as possible.
&
The Allied force comprised elements of the 7th Armoured Division, and the 22nd Guards Brigade.
- As discussed above, i believe that this should be a lower case "G":
7th Armoured Brigade Group
- Not to sure on this one as i have now seen people do this differently. I would be tempted to put a comma in after battalion however i have seen others who dont - i guess it doesnt matter lol.
2nd Battalion Panzer Regiment 5
- Finally, i think that should be "ordered"?
and order Kampfgruppe von Herff to act more aggressively
- As i said nothing major and it does read allot better then it use to.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
A couple of months ago you reviewed this at PR, leaving some useful comments. I've developed the article further, and you may like to see it in its expanded form at FA, where it now is. Cheers, Brianboulton (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the note on my talkpage. I realise that time is not always available to review articles; fortunately, Farthest South seems to be holding its own at FAC for the moment. I hope soon to shift my emphasis away from the South and turn northwards - a Farthest North companion article is well under way & should be at PR before the end of the month. And, yes, the Arctic was fine, thank you. Brianboulton (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I'll start trimming this one later today. You nominated the article at WP:FAC. - Dank (push to talk) 21:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Precious
air transport in the United Kingdom
Thank you for quality articles such as Omaha Beach, Air transport in the United Kingdom and General aviation in the United Kingdom, for activity in peer reviews, inviting and reviewing, for your clever user name made up of fact and totem, explained on a clear user page, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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- Cool. 2nd of 'my' articles to be featured on the front page, and a nice note to boot. Maybe I'll come back. FactotEm (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- A year ago, you were recipient no. 1402 of Precious, a prize of QAI! - Welcome back! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Gloucestershire Regiment
Hi - Please can you add some citations to some of your recent edits. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 21:55, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- Do you mean the uncited paras in the "Formation of the Gloucestershire Regiment" section? The final citation applies there - am I supposed to add the same cite to each para? FactotEm (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Barnstar for you...
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Thanks for all your work on the Gloucestershire Regiment! Hchc2009 (talk) 13:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC) |
- Thanks! Some ways to go yet, but preparing the next tranche of changes off-line so that the current article does not become a disjointed work in progress.FactotEm (talk) 14:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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Tnguyen4321 has come back with restoration of the info that you've deleted. I think it's nothing new but OR. So keep an eye on the article please. Dino nam (talk) 08:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
1st Bn regimental colours Glosters
Hi first of all great work on the Glosters page! Just a quick query though you changed the tag on the photo of the colours that I uploaded to "Last regimental colours of the 28th Regiment before amalgamation". I believe that these were the colours post amalgamation 28th and LXI and pre amalgamation RGBWR. Prior to the amalgamation with the 61st the colours would have had the regimental number in the middle and after amalgamation this was replaced with the sphinx. I have my doubts about from when the colours date from as there should have been a Solma-ri ribbon on them and this photo doesn't. I was lucky enough to have carried them myself and I should have a photo somewhere. let me know what you think. --Domdeparis (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi & Thx. You're right! I completely misread the image description. I've got to rush now, but maybe the best place is further down, in the section where the amalgamation with RGBWR (who on earth came up with that name!?) is discussed? That section will get fleshed out in due course. FactotEm (talk) 10:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- I know it's a horrible thing! One of the reasons why I decided not to apply to stay on after my SSC. Some of the smart arses in other regiments suggested calling it the M4 regiment as the M4 goes through each county. That did not go down well with the boys! Domdeparis (talk) 10:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe they didn't like being rivet-heads all of a sudden. :) I fixed the image description, but feel free to edit it if you think it can be improved. I'm going to leave it where it is for now though. It's appropriate to the section it's currently anchored to, and it's a bit too busy down the bottom of the article to move it there just yet. FactotEm (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- I know it's a horrible thing! One of the reasons why I decided not to apply to stay on after my SSC. Some of the smart arses in other regiments suggested calling it the M4 regiment as the M4 goes through each county. That did not go down well with the boys! Domdeparis (talk) 10:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the assessment
Just thanking you for taking a look at the Operation Hailstone article. I made the changes you had suggested for movement from C to B-class. Think it qualifies now? I'm hoping after the bump to B to have the article copyedited and submitted for GA review. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I think though that you need to add page numbers to the cites you just added. FactotEm (talk) 22:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Same goes for the evacuation log, which was already cited, but also lacks page number(s) FactotEm (talk) 22:06, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not able to pull page numbers unfortunately, since I don't have a physical copy of the work cited and Google Books does not list page numbers. The only source that could probably corroborate the data is Lindemann's book (mentioned in the Further Reading section), but I don't have that one either—it runs $40 on Amazon and no library within 800 miles has it! So this is the best I can do for the time being. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Shame. I've come up against that problem with Google Books as well. Just a note of caution; I noticed that Merriam's book is published by Lulu, which is a self-publishing house, and self-published works are not regarded as reliable sources FactotEm (talk) 22:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah that's the other issue here. Unfortunately Merriam doesn't provide provenance for the list he's citing. The series—including the volume I referenced—contains a mix of firsthand accounts, primary source documents and short historical works by credentialed professionals, so it doesn't have the same problems as some other self-published works. However, the Truk list included here seems to be provided directly by Merriam himself rather than deriving from a primary source doc or some historian he's re-publishing. The evacuation log and ship loss lists were both in the original article and I was loathe to take them out, since every vessel I've double-checked thus far is accurately represented by the list. Maybe I should ask on the MilHist discussion page if anybody has access to the Lindemann book. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 10:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- I went ahead and replaced the Merriam list with a list derived from a PhD thesis by William Jeffery, who worked with the NPS and whose list contains four primary and four secondary sources for each ship. I've retained Merriam for the Evacuation Log until I can find an adequate replacement (the information may be contained in Jeffery in another format). I think the article now merits B-class but I'll leave that up to you. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- There were a couple of other refs without page numbers. I've had a quick look at two of them, and they were websites, so no problem specifically, but I want to check through a bit more. Unfortunately I won't have the opportunity to do that until late Sat or Sun. FactotEm (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Afraid you still need to add page numbers for the Jeffery information, and the article won't qualify for B Class while that evacuation log is still sourced to Merriam without page numbers. Them's the rules. I've checked through all the other un-page-numbered refs and they're all websites, so they're no problem. FactotEm (talk) 13:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Added the appendix location within Jeffery to the cites missing page numbers—the page number would be listed as pg. 1 of Appendix 4 unless I reference the .pdf page numbers. I downloaded the Merriam eBook and found that there are no actual page numbers. Rather, the articles are listed in the introduction and numbered accordingly. I could list the Truk article number (13) as I did with the Jeffery appendix if that would be helpful, but that's the best that source can get to. Let me know if there's more I can do. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 01:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Afraid you still need to add page numbers for the Jeffery information, and the article won't qualify for B Class while that evacuation log is still sourced to Merriam without page numbers. Them's the rules. I've checked through all the other un-page-numbered refs and they're all websites, so they're no problem. FactotEm (talk) 13:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- There were a couple of other refs without page numbers. I've had a quick look at two of them, and they were websites, so no problem specifically, but I want to check through a bit more. Unfortunately I won't have the opportunity to do that until late Sat or Sun. FactotEm (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Shame. I've come up against that problem with Google Books as well. Just a note of caution; I noticed that Merriam's book is published by Lulu, which is a self-publishing house, and self-published works are not regarded as reliable sources FactotEm (talk) 22:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not able to pull page numbers unfortunately, since I don't have a physical copy of the work cited and Google Books does not list page numbers. The only source that could probably corroborate the data is Lindemann's book (mentioned in the Further Reading section), but I don't have that one either—it runs $40 on Amazon and no library within 800 miles has it! So this is the best I can do for the time being. Cheers, Finktron (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
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For your excellent work and A-class review of Sam Manekshaw. May be you must try your hat at WP:GOCE. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 02:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC) |
- Cool. Thank you! I'm considering trying for GOCE, but I'm not sure my standard of English or my knowledge of the MoS is quite up to scratch yet. That's an interesting article you have written. Well done. I've only commented on the prose so far, and will have another look later to see how it stacks up with the rest of the ACR criteria, but it looks good. FactotEm (talk) 10:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Just wanted to say I was very pleased to see the Gloucestershire Regiment promoted to A class. Will you be taking it to FAC? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yes. Just waiting for Christmas to pass. I plan on submitting next Tues or Weds. FactotEm (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Excellent. Do let me know it's up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:58, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Will do. Thanks. Merry <insert preferred festive greeting here> to you. FactotEm (talk) 16:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- @HJ Mitchell: At FAC now. Factotem (talk) 10:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- Will do. Thanks. Merry <insert preferred festive greeting here> to you. FactotEm (talk) 16:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Excellent. Do let me know it's up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:58, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Factotem—I want to thank you for your peer review of the William Henry Powell article—and apologize too! Your review did not arrive until after I thought the peer reviewing was completed, and I had already submitted the article for GA review. Therefore, I missed your suggestions until today while working on GA review suggestions. Your work is appreciated and some of your strengths are where I have weaknesses. I am trying to "sneak in" some of your suggestions now, but must be careful not to upset the GA reviewer with too many unexpected changes. In case you are interested, I will have one military article and one glass factory article ready later in 2018. Thanks TwoScars (talk) 18:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- No problem. I've had peer reviews left advertised on the Milhist page long after I thought I had closed them. Good luck with the GAN. Factotem (talk) 18:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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Glosters back badge
Hi it seems a shame that there is no image of the back badge. Do you want me to take of photo of one of mine to be used on the page? Domdeparis (talk) 17:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, and wholeheartedly agree, but the licensing is a nightmare. As I understand it, the government claims copyright on regimental insignia, and even though you can release your photo into the public domain, the object itself would need its own licence. The only reason I could get the cap badge as the lead image is because the source claims it is of 1914-1918 origin. If you could prove your back badge was made pre-1968 it might fly, otherwise not. I've even looked at militaria shops online to see if I could purchase an old back badge, but I seriously doubt they would be able to provide any proof of its age, and I also tried to find out if designs changed over the years, so that I could say "Look, this is what they looked like in 1920, so it must be out of copyright", without success. Absolute nightmare! Factotem (talk) 17:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's a pain...what I can do is ask my father to take a photo of his I know he still has them and he did his national service in the early sixties (before he married in 1963). Would his word or a sworn statement be enough do you think that would cut it? Domdeparis (talk) 19:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Willing to give it a try but can't guarantee. I don't think it needs to be a sworn statement, but if you upload the image to commons, date it to the year it was issued to your father, and state the source along the lines of his own badge issued on joining the regiment, that might pass muster. If he could take the picture on a sheet of paper and try to minimise any shadow, I can photoshop a transparent background, which I think looks better - that's what I did with the lead image of the cap badge. The article is book-ended by the back badge, and I'm keen to get an image in there if we can. Factotem (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok that's great I'll try get that up there as soon as I can. Cheers Domdeparis (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's great! Thanks. When it comes to providing the licensing info, see how it's done for the cap badge image. The photo is licensed under {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} - that should get around any problems that technically it's your father's photo and so not yours to upload - and the badge is licensed under {{PD-UKGov}} Factotem (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok that's great I'll try get that up there as soon as I can. Cheers Domdeparis (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Willing to give it a try but can't guarantee. I don't think it needs to be a sworn statement, but if you upload the image to commons, date it to the year it was issued to your father, and state the source along the lines of his own badge issued on joining the regiment, that might pass muster. If he could take the picture on a sheet of paper and try to minimise any shadow, I can photoshop a transparent background, which I think looks better - that's what I did with the lead image of the cap badge. The article is book-ended by the back badge, and I'm keen to get an image in there if we can. Factotem (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's a pain...what I can do is ask my father to take a photo of his I know he still has them and he did his national service in the early sixties (before he married in 1963). Would his word or a sworn statement be enough do you think that would cut it? Domdeparis (talk) 19:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I can ask my father to agree to release the photo under that licence in the email. I just spoke to him and he would be delighted to do the photos he's also got the front badge shoulder patches and presidential citation. He's got them mounted in a frame so I'll ask him to take a photo of the frame and the individual pieces on white paper and then you can use whatever you like. Domdeparis (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Grand! Thanks. If the article passes FA I'm going to try and get it scheduled for the front page on 21 March. Factotem (talk) 20:39, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi I just got the photos from my father and they are not bad at all, the back badge is made of brass and as such is quite worn. The only thing I am concerned about is the date. You said that the insignia have to date back to in 1968 (50 years old), my father joined in 1955 but the PD-UKGOV license mentions 70 years. Did I miss something? Cheers Domdeparis (talk) 10:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- As I understand it, the PD-UKGov license applies to three different types of work:
- Photographs taken prior to 1 June 1957; or
- Published prior to 1968; or
- Artistic works other than a photograph or engraving (e.g. a painting) which was created prior to 1968.
- As the badge is clearly not a photograph, I believe one of the other two conditions apply, giving a cut-off year of 1968. At least, I think that's how it works. When you've posted the image, I'll ask someone to check it out before I add it to the article. Factotem (talk) 10:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here are my uploads, I think I've put the same info as on your front badge, [1], feel free to edit and or use! cheers Domdeparis (talk) 11:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- As I understand it, the PD-UKGov license applies to three different types of work:
- Hi I just got the photos from my father and they are not bad at all, the back badge is made of brass and as such is quite worn. The only thing I am concerned about is the date. You said that the insignia have to date back to in 1968 (50 years old), my father joined in 1955 but the PD-UKGOV license mentions 70 years. Did I miss something? Cheers Domdeparis (talk) 10:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I know it's a shame, if you can find another one please don't hesitate to replace it. I've also got a photo of the presidential citation that we wore on the shoulders. This is obviously not crown copyright so can it be used or does the federal gouvernment of the USA own the copyright on it? Domdeparis (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just a quick one about the back badge. From what I can remember from my regimental history (we had to buff up on it for our dining in) after Alexandria the men of the 28th started to wear the regimental numbered badge on the back of the shakos as a personal commemoration of the battle and refused to move it to the front. The back badge was introduced as a compromise I don't know if this was regimental folklore or fact. The original official shako back badge was a smaller brass diamond shaped badge with a sphinx egypt and the number 28 on it. The Glosters are one of the few British army units that did not have a crown incorporated into their badge and I seem to remember that this was added as a means of reminding regiments of their loyalty to the monarch but as the loyalty of the Gloucestershire regiment was never in question this was not necessary. This again may have been regimental folklore. I'll try and see if I can find any sources. Domdeparis (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. I may be biased, but I've always thought the Glosters' cap badge to be one of the best designs of all the regimental badges, equalled only, maybe, by the RTR, and that's only because they get to have a tank on theirs. I will probably add the shoulder flash to the article at some stage, but it takes a bit of effort to photoshop the transparent background in, and anyway, I don't want to mess with the article too much whilst it's still in FAC. Factotem (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just a quick one about the back badge. From what I can remember from my regimental history (we had to buff up on it for our dining in) after Alexandria the men of the 28th started to wear the regimental numbered badge on the back of the shakos as a personal commemoration of the battle and refused to move it to the front. The back badge was introduced as a compromise I don't know if this was regimental folklore or fact. The original official shako back badge was a smaller brass diamond shaped badge with a sphinx egypt and the number 28 on it. The Glosters are one of the few British army units that did not have a crown incorporated into their badge and I seem to remember that this was added as a means of reminding regiments of their loyalty to the monarch but as the loyalty of the Gloucestershire regiment was never in question this was not necessary. This again may have been regimental folklore. I'll try and see if I can find any sources. Domdeparis (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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This is to let you know that the Gloucestershire Regiment article has been scheduled as today's featured article for April 22, 2018. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 22, 2018, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1100 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:08, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi @Jimfbleak: I am doing a little editing to try and get some salient points in, roots going back to 1694, as an ex-Gloster I know that this part of the history of the regiment is very important. Amalgamated regiments inherit the history and battle honours of their composant parts. Also the Glosters were not overrun at the battle of Imjin River but were given permission to breakout. If I can pare it down to around 1100 characters I'll try. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Dom from Paris, thanks for that. Don't worry too much about an exact word count for the blurb because Dan will edit it down to that anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- He already reverted my edit as it was too long! So I'm discusing a couple of things I'd like to get in on the talk page. Thanks. Dom from Paris (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not a problem, I'll bring this up at WT:TFA so others can weigh in if they like. - Dank (push to talk) 15:15, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- He already reverted my edit as it was too long! So I'm discusing a couple of things I'd like to get in on the talk page. Thanks. Dom from Paris (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Dom from Paris, thanks for that. Don't worry too much about an exact word count for the blurb because Dan will edit it down to that anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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Quite an achievement given the size and complexity of the topic, congrats on the B. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hey, thanks. Hopefully it will be good enough for FAC soon. I'm keeping my eye on Second Alamein. I'll jump in if necessary, but you appear to have it under control for now. Factotem (talk) 10:33, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
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