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I think your help will be much apreciated in [[Ken Kutaragi]] dispute. I just saw the icons in your user page and think you is the right person for mediation. --[[User:201.29.60.23|201.29.60.23]] 15:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC) |
I think your help will be much apreciated in [[Ken Kutaragi]] dispute. I just saw the icons in your user page and think you is the right person for mediation. --[[User:201.29.60.23|201.29.60.23]] 15:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:Perhaps so, but if you look more closely, you'll see that, regretfuly, Essjay is inactive, indefinitely. [[User:El C|El_C]] 15:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC) |
:Perhaps so, but if you look more closely, you'll see that, regretfuly, Essjay is inactive, indefinitely. [[User:El C|El_C]] 15:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Dear Essjay, |
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I saw a note left on your page yesteday, in which you said that you were still '''not''' going to come back, but that you had blocked someone for 3RR. I looked at the block log, and saw that you had blocked [[User:R. fiend|R. fiend]] for "3RR @ [[John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy]]" I know nothing of this user, and had no reason to doubt the appropriateness of the block, but, just to see what the edit war was about, I had a look at the history. I could only find 3 reverts, not 4. Since you had written, '''I am not back, and I will not be coming back''', I saw little point in asking you for clarification, and I saw also that you had not notified R. fiend of the block, so I went to [[WP:AN/3RR]], thinking that it might have been reported there, and that I would see the diffs. There was nothing there about it, so I posted a message, asking for advice from more experienced administrators. I was advised that it would be appropriate to unblock, and that since you had left, it was not necessary to try to discuss it with you first. I went ahead and unblocked, and it turned out that another administrator did so almost simultaneously. |
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After discovering that he had been unblocked, and after restoring (and even increasing) the block, you wrote on his talk page: |
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''For those who can't count:'' |
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*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&oldid=31610378 R.fiend sets page to his preferred version.] Strike one.'' |
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*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31616690&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version.] Strike two.'' |
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*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31617519&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version, again.] Strike three.'' |
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*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31618345&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version, again, again.] You're out.'' |
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My interpretation is different. I read it as follows: |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&oldid=31610378 R.fiend sets page to his preferred version.] Edit, not revert. |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31616690&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version.] Strike one. |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31617519&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version, again.] Strike two. |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31618345&oldid=31610378 Returns page to his preferred version, again, again.] Strike three. He's still in. |
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I saw your indignant message to me when I got up this morning. I also saw that you had increased the block. I was rushing in to work, so had no time to reply, but I was still convinced that you had miscalculated. I left another message on [[WP:AN/3RR]]. When I unexpectedly had a few minutes free, I logged on from the staffroom computer, and, since nobody had responded, I unblocked him myself. I hastily wrote another message to [[WP:AN/3RR]], but there was no time to write one to you or to R. fiend. |
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You also wrote on R. fiend's talk page: |
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:''As an administrator, you should know better. Further, using administrator powers like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy&diff=31618345&oldid=31617759 rollback] in an edit war [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Stevertigo#Use_of_administrator_powers_with_respect_to_a_dispute_you_are_engaged_in|is inexcusable]].'' |
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While I know that it's certainly considered politer to reserve rollback to cases of outright vandalism (which is what I try to do), I don't think that this is policy to the same extent as the 3RR rule. Certainly, I've never heard of a case of someone being blocked without warning for inappropriate use of the rollback button. (I accidentally used it myself recently, when my finger slipped.) The link you provided (on the word "inexcusable") was to the ArbCom's comments on Stevertigo's RfAr. The comments were in context of an admin editing a protected page to conform to his own version, unblocking himself, and blocking the admin who had blocked him. To extend a block by 12 hours for using rollback was, to say the least, controversial. |
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I assure you I meant no disrespect to you in unblocking. If you had not announced that you '''would not be coming back''', I would certainly have left a message for you last night. I am disturbed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Essjay&diff=prev&oldid=31697332 this] and even more by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Essjay&diff=prev&oldid=31698746 this] which seem (though perhaps I am mistaken) to be directed at me. I did not attack you, and I certainly did not want you gone in the first place (though I did want your parody of my Church gone). I was very touched by the kindness that you showed towards a recovering drug addict. I would be very happy to welcome you back to Wikipedia. But I'm sure you'll agree that it's unreasonable to expect an administrator to leave in place a block that was based on a miscalculation of the number of reverts, on the grounds that unblocking might upset the person who had carried out the block in the first place. |
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I would have liked to thank you for your vote on my RfA, but after you left, I felt it would be more tactful not to. I explained why, when I was thanking [[User:Redwolf24|Redwolf24]] for ''his'' vote.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redwolf24&diff=30708492&oldid=30671295] It's unfortunate (and embarrassing for me) that this (i.e. the vote on the Catholic Church of Wikipedia and your mistaken calculation of R. fiend's number of reverts) all happened just after I became an administrator. But even if my RfA were running at the moment, I would ''still'' vote to delete that page, and I would still try to get an incorrectly-blocked editor unblocked. I do appreciate the good work that you did here, but that does not oblige me to go against my own conscience. |
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You may not look in again until long after this unfortunate blocking war has died down, but if you do, perhaps the best place to discuss it would be at [[WP:AN/3RR]]. Regards, [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC) |
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