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A barnstar for you!
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Nice job today with the List of landmarks in the New Orleans French Quarter article! Congratulations. –CaroleHenson (talk) 00:13, 4 April 2017 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
The Photographer's Barnstar | |
Thank you for photographing Chantry House, Steyning and adding it to two articles. Edwardx (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC) |
Progetto WikiDonne
Ciao. Ti segnalo il progetto WikiDonne in itwiki (la variante italiana di WikiWomen), dove mi farebbe immenso piacere averti con noi. Molto spesso traduciamo voci dall'inglese, e avere qualcuno che lo parla molto meglio di noi sarebbe di grande aiuto, visto l'immenso lavoro che c'è fa fare. Potrebbe succedere anche il contrario, per esempio, che siano punti di partenza le nostre voci. In uno degli editathon comuni, una nostra collega di WikiWomen in Red aveva tradotto la voce scritta in itwiki della biologa e fisiologa Lidia Mannuzzu (tradotta poi anche in catalano), cancellata in seguito perché l'autrice è stata bloccata. Devo dire che mi stupisce parecchio questo fatto, come se le voci avessero a che fare con le utenze, fossero legate in qualche modo. Se ti fa piacere potresti iniziare da qui. Grazie ;-), --Camelia (talk) 10:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
- Camelia, Grazie, se devo essere sincera, mi trovo meglio a scrivere in inglese e non sono una brava traduttrice. Non me la sentirei di iniziare un articolo da zero in italiano, ma se c'è qualcosa da tradurre non troppo complicato sono a disposizione. Quando dico non troppo complicato è perchè non ho studiato da traduttrice e neanche lingue/lettere (sono laureata in economia) di conseguenza non mi sento in grado di tradurre qualcosa di molto letterario, non farei un buon lavoro. Per quanto riguarda gli accounts, come hai notato, ci sono seri problemi qui in Wikipedia, ma ho promesso di essere positiva e di non guardare le cose brutte (come utenti che ad un gentile commento rispondono con la parola "f..k" ad una donna... e poi quando glielo faccio notare, dicono agli altri che è troppo stressante lavorare con me...) Ma c'è un link che posso navigare per vedere cosa c'è da fare?--Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
- Your efforts to be positive are very much appreciated! (I read Italian much better than I speak and write it.)–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:47, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
- La voci da scrivere ex novo sono più difficili perché presuppongono un grande lavoro, dalla ricerca delle fonti fino alla parte finale, per questo spesso traduciamo. Ma spesso arricchiamo anche o correggiamo le inesattezze delle versioni in altre lingue. Insomma c'è un grande lavoro di contaminazione tra le edizioni, visto anche la nostra partecipazione al progetto globale Women in red. Qui e qui sono le voci mancanti, ne troverai parecchie. Mensilmente organizziamo editathon online (anche 2-3 al mese) insieme alle WiR: questo mese women in dance, women in music, women from India. pulsanti in altro al progetto, anche sulle singole pagine ci sono voci proposte. Grazie, --Camelia (talk) 11:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
- Camelia, ma posso tradurre un articolo dall'inglese in italiano? che referenze devo dare? per esempio sarei interessata ad Anne Fausto Sterling, che è la compagna di Paula Vogel... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Grace Hutchins
On 27 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Grace Hutchins, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Grace Hutchins promoted a radical Christian pacifist movement in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grace Hutchins. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Grace Hutchins), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Precious
historic lesbian women
Thank you for quality articles such as Grace Hutchins and Clementina Anstruther-Thomson, performed in collaboration, for good illustrations conveying moods, for not giving up in frustration but trying again, - Elisa, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hey Gerda, thank you for your DYK review on Clementina Anstruther-Thomson. I will respond to them soon, thanks again as always. Alex ShihTalk 09:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and Alex Shih, thank you to both of you for encouragement. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hey Gerda, thank you for your DYK review on Clementina Anstruther-Thomson. I will respond to them soon, thanks again as always. Alex ShihTalk 09:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Ben Zuckerman
Hi Elisa! I was absolutely surprised to discover you had started an article on Ben Zuckerman - he had been on my to-do list for ages, but I didn't expect you to be the one to create the article! I am now really intrigued, hope you'll forgive my being nosey but could I ask how you lighted upon Zuckerman as an article subject? Mabalu (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Mabalu, he is on my book of long-term relationships for his partnership in work and life with Shactner, but you are more than welcome to improve the article.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
August 2017 at Women in Red
Welcome to Women in Red's August 2017 worldwide online editathons. | ||
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Source
Just FYI, but if you search the Missouri History Museum's online collection for The Potter's Wheel, it looks like they have much of the publication available online, and since it was published prior to 1923, much or all of it could potentially be uploaded to Commons if it's useful, and of course could be used and quoted as much as is useful on Wikipedia. TimothyJosephWood 15:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Timothyjosephwood, thank you. Yes, I red-linked all the Potters, cause other than Teasdale, and now Ernst, they are all missing in Wikipedia. I think the next right candidates to have a page are the Parrish Sisters, their photos have been exhibited widely and they are now at the Library of Congress (but not digitalized...) --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm going to ping User:Fæ to this discussion, since they're a Commons wizard, and may know a way to upload this content using semi-automation. TimothyJosephWood 19:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Timothyjosephwood, I have uploaded some, but just some photos I will need for the profiles. All the art work I did not upload and there are more than 800 records. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- If anyone can figure it out it's Fae. They've uploaded so many images that it breaks the tool that measures how many images someone has uploaded. Otherwise, I have two other projects that I need to finish, but I'll try to help out. TimothyJosephWood 20:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Timothyjosephwood, I have uploaded some, but just some photos I will need for the profiles. All the art work I did not upload and there are more than 800 records. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm going to ping User:Fæ to this discussion, since they're a Commons wizard, and may know a way to upload this content using semi-automation. TimothyJosephWood 19:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I've left a note to myself on my Commons page to look at it. May take a while. The archives look messy for copyright, as in this example some of the documents state the work is copyrighted when they are obviously public domain under U.S. law. I also have to take time to review the site terms, just in case they want to prosecute anyone doing systematic downloading. BTW, I am a big project person. I normally want to reserve my time for several thousand sized upload projects; this may or may not end up being that size. --Fæ (talk) 20:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Fæ, Yes, I noticed it, and that is the reason why I took just some, basically photo of the Potters, considering photos are for sure covered by Public Domain if before 1923. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:29, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Just in case you're interested and haven't seen it already, there is apparently a site here that has really high quality scans of the Potters Wheel. Unfortunately, they're high quality enough that they pretty much immediately crash my browser if I try to download them. I managed to get two, but had to then resort to uploading the lower quality scans at the MO Hist Museum. TimothyJosephWood 18:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Timothyjosephwood, yes, that is the website where I found some bio info of the Potters.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'll probably try again on a different computer this evening. Also... I'm seriously tempted to print off some of this stuff and frame it. TimothyJosephWood 18:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Timothyjosephwood, LOL, I will be remembered like the one who made you fall in love with 10 girls from the 1900s... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'll probably try again on a different computer this evening. Also... I'm seriously tempted to print off some of this stuff and frame it. TimothyJosephWood 18:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Uploads started with c:File:The Potter's Wheel, Volume 2, Number 8, page 22, June 1906.jpg. Hopefully this will finish overnight as I'm away for a few days, so if it gets stuck it may have to wait until next week. Further sub-categorization on Commons would be sensible when it looks complete. BTW, these are original scan sizes, and so should be a great deal larger than some pre-existing versions in the main category c:Category:The Potter's Wheel, so old versions may be worth deleting using c:template:duplicate. At the original size, they may be a good to create derivative crops from, if any are needed. I suspect they are the same size as the versions from Yale, but that's something to investigate later.
It's worth highlighting the example of File:The Potter's Wheel, Volume 2, Number 9, page 32, July 1906.png (950 × 590 pixels) which can now be superseded with File:The Potter's Wheel, Volume 2, Number 9, page 32, July 1906.jpg (5,719 × 7,182 pixels) though the extracted crop will need redoing. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 21:49, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well Fæ, I uh... You kindof seemed like you had other irons in the fire, so I started manually uploading. Looks like the most I've done is make a mess that needs cleaned up. TimothyJosephWood 22:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- I thought it was going to be rather more work, but I managed to skip having to use cookies. No hurry to do the housekeeping. I've made huge messes in the past and it's always better to have a go rather than never get to it. So long as the MHM does not redesign too much, the way I'm doing this can be reused to upload other stuff at some point. --Fæ (talk) 22:35, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
You may be interested that I have generalized the script I was using, and kicked off a batch upload of everything before 1923. The results are building up at c:Category:Collections of the Missouri History Museum. There's lots of interest, including many historical records relating to the Civil War and emancipation in the United States. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Resilient Barnstar | |
For tireless contributions to biographies of often overlooked figures. Alex ShihTalk 02:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC) |
A few more tips on women's biographies
Hi Elisa. I see you are continuing to make progress on the EN wiki and you seem to be learning quickly from the advice you have received. I think I've now been through most of the interesting articles you have written in connection with Women in Red. May I suggest you add the template {{Authority control}}
to all your biographies. In many cases, it will turn up links on the variants to the person's name and to the works created, etc. I have been adding it to the articles you have created up to now -- so you don't need to go back over them. Similarly, you should add {{DEFAULTSORT:}}
in order to ensure
the article appears correctly in lists of categories, etc. In most cases, the family name should come first and the given names afterwards. An article on Elisa Rolle would then appear as {{DEFAULTSORT:Rolle, Elisa}}
. You'll find DEFAULTSORT under Wiki markup at the bottom of the pages you create or edit. If you click on it, it will appear in the article at the point where your cursor is placed. I realize that as a native Italian speaker, you still experience a few difficulties with English. It might be useful for your to look through some of the copy edits to your articles in order to try to avoid systematic errors. There are not too many but some appear quite frequently. I also recommend you look at SusunW's guidelines on Wikipedia:Creating biographies on women. I've also seen that in some cases you had used more than one WIR template on the talk pages of your articles. In most cases, just one template is sufficient unless you are writing articles which happen to cover more than one of our current editathons, for example one on an indigenous woman who is also Canadian. If you need any further help, please let me know.
And by the way, if you feel like "translating" or recreating articles from the IT wiki, you will find many interesting women listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Italy. I would however advise you to try to find links to sources for each paragraph as the EN wiki tends to be stricter than the Italian version. If you would like to give it a try, I can try to help you along.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
You asked about her birth date. My guess is she is this one [1] but I cannot prove that and there was another Adeline Wagoner from St. Louis born in a similar time frame. Your Adeline lied about her age. On the 1910 census she was 35, i.e. born 1875 [2]. While possible, if she was married for 20 years, she married at 15 and her mother (born 1837 gave birth to her at 38). Looks like she was enumerated twice in 1920, on 6th January with her husband, both were age 54, i.e. born 1866 [3] and three days later at her son's house age 52, born 1868 [4]. I find no census records for her parents at all, which is weird. There is a lengthy obit at newspapers.com, but I cannot access it yet. My request for extra publishing hasn't yet gone through. SusunW (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I am like 100% sure that this, i.e. Bessie (Elizabeth?) was her sister [5] Her husband Walter S. Dray's will names "Addie Wagoner", his wife's sister, and his son Walter R.[6] Though Find-a-grave is not a reliable source, Walter Remy's entry links to Bessie M. [7] As this [8] says Adeline is younger than Mrs. Dray, so 1860s dates seem more likely. SusunW (talk) 21:40, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
- yes, I think the 1868 is the good one... these women, always the same, aren't they?--Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I am like 100% sure that this, i.e. Bessie (Elizabeth?) was her sister [5] Her husband Walter S. Dray's will names "Addie Wagoner", his wife's sister, and his son Walter R.[6] Though Find-a-grave is not a reliable source, Walter Remy's entry links to Bessie M. [7] As this [8] says Adeline is younger than Mrs. Dray, so 1860s dates seem more likely. SusunW (talk) 21:40, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Clementina Anstruther-Thomson
On 6 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clementina Anstruther-Thomson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Clementina Anstruther-Thomson and Vernon Lee openly lived together as a lesbian couple during the Victorian era? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clementina Anstruther-Thomson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Clementina Anstruther-Thomson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Women in Red barnstar | |
A well-earned barnstar for all the articles, photographs and DYKs you have created on women's biographies since you joined WiR on 29 July. Truly impressive work for a newcomer ro Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 08:56, 6 August 2017 (UTC) |
(SusunW, help in finding birth and death date? :-) --Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, birth date found with parent's names. Death date as yet elusive. This [9] shows they stayed in St. Louis until 1920. This shows they had moved to Massachusetts by 1930 [10] and she was still performing [11], [12]. They seem to have stayed in Brookline, Massachusetts. This [13] shows, as least the major was still living there in 1948. SusunW (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- Major died in 1961, I found the obituary in an "Harvard Alumni Bulletin, Volume 63", but I could not read it all.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Writer's Barnstar | |
Nice job writing Adeline Palmier Wagoner! Happy to see this on the main page soon. MX (✉ • ✎) 16:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC) |
Autopatrolled
Hi Elisa.rolle, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Alex ShihTalk 05:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Katharine Peabody Loring
On 13 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Katharine Peabody Loring, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Katharine Peabody Loring taught history with Alice James at the first correspondence school in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Katharine Peabody Loring. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Katharine Peabody Loring), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for L. Fidelia Woolley Gillette
On 18 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article L. Fidelia Woolley Gillette, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that L. Fidelia Woolley Gillette was one of the first women to be ordained as a Universalist minister in the United States, and the first woman ordained of any denomination in Canada? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/L. Fidelia Woolley Gillette. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, L. Fidelia Woolley Gillette), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:47, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Maren Michelet
On 19 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maren Michelet, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when the Minneapolis School Board decided to include North Germanic languages in the curriculum, Maren Michelet became the first teacher of Norwegian in a public high school in the US? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maren Michelet. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Maren Michelet), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:32, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi
I get the feeling that my fault-finding with some of your hooks hasn't discouraged you from continued participation, and for that I'm glad. I hope you understand I have to call 'em as I see 'em. Keep up the good work! EEng 03:01, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Alma Lutz
On 22 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alma Lutz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Alma Lutz was the biographer of women's rights activists including Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Emma Willard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alma Lutz. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Alma Lutz), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Caroline Risque
On 25 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Caroline Risque, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Caroline Risque (pictured) made the bronze busts of the four founders of Stix Baer & Fuller? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline Risque. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Caroline Risque), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- More than 10k views! - You can add her to the stats. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- not sure how to do it? --Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- I felt the same when I met the page, then looked where the month is, how it's sorted, and copied a similar entry. Try it. It's on my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Good entry, just wrong position: first stats (link above), then archive. I copied it to the current stats page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- ps: you and I have a woman pictured in August ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- not sure how to do it? --Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Thomas Lyle Williams
On 26 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Lyle Williams, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Thomas Lyle Williams had the idea to create the first mascara, Maybelline, after seeing his sister Mabel use a mix of petroleum jelly and burnt cork to darken her eyelashes? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Lyle Williams. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Lyle Williams), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for C. Louise Boehringer
On 28 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article C. Louise Boehringer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that C. Louise Boehringer, the first female Superintendent of Schools in Yuma County, has often been called "the mother of the Arizona educational system"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/C. Louise Boehringer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, C. Louise Boehringer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
September 2017 at Women in Red
Welcome to Women in Red's September 2017 worldwide online editathons. | ||
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DYK for Christian William Miller
On 29 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Christian William Miller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Christian William Miller, inventor of a water desalination device promoted by Franklin D. Roosevelt, was considered one of the most beautiful men in the 1940s New York gay society? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christian William Miller. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Christian William Miller), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Amabel Anderson Arnold
On 29 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Amabel Anderson Arnold, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Amabel Anderson Arnold, a St. Louis lawyer and law professor, received degrees from both Benton College of Law and City College of Law and Finance within a five-day period? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amabel Anderson Arnold. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Amabel Anderson Arnold), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Barbara May Cameron
On 30 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Barbara May Cameron, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1975, Barbara May Cameron, a member of the Hunkpapa Lakota, co-founded the first gay Indian organization in San Francisco? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Barbara May Cameron. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Barbara May Cameron), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry if it feels like I am flooding your page :) But really good work! Alex ShihTalk 07:47, 30 August 2017 (UTC)--Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:48, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- Not sorry at all I like it ;-) and there are I think other 4 DYK in prep... Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:48, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry if it feels like I am flooding your page :) But really good work! Alex ShihTalk 07:47, 30 August 2017 (UTC)--Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:48, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for E. Joy Johnson
On 31 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article E. Joy Johnson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that E. Joy Johnson wrote The Foreman of the J.A.6. based on her experience owning a ranch in frontierland Wyoming? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/E. Joy Johnson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, E. Joy Johnson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Helen Huntington Hull
On 1 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Helen Huntington Hull, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Helen Huntington Hull inherited Among the Sierra Nevada, California (pictured) by Albert Bierstadt, she had it glued directly to a wall of her mansion? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Helen Huntington Hull. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Helen Huntington Hull), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Lillie Rose Ernst
On 1 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lillie Rose Ernst, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lillie Rose Ernst, the first woman assistant superintendent of instruction in the St. Louis public school system, was the mentor of The Potters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Rose Ernst. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lillie Rose Ernst), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for The Potters (artists group)
On 1 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Potters (artists group), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lillie Rose Ernst, the first woman assistant superintendent of instruction in the St. Louis public school system, was the mentor of The Potters? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Potters (artists group)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Isabel Pell
On 2 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Isabel Pell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American socialite Isabel Pell joined the Maquis and rescued a contingent of American soldiers in France during World War II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isabel Pell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Isabel Pell), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Wiki-Project Oregon articles
Hi... I’ve noticed you created several bio articles about individual who lived in Oregon and thus have Wiki-Project Oregon tags on article Talk pages … thank you for contributing content to Wiki-Oregon. You rated the two articles I saw as Medium importance. I changed both to Low which is in line with Wiki-Oregon criterion discussed on our Assessment page. Over the years Wiki-Oregon has been very careful not to inflate importance or quality ratings … though there are probably some examples to the contrary out there. Here are three examples of articles about other people from Klamath Falls to compare with Wanda Brown Shaw. Henry Semon was a very successful farmer and one of the longest serving state representatives in Oregon history …his bio article is rated Low importance. George H. Merryman was a pioneer doctor, state reprehensive, state senator, and built the first modern hospital in Klamath Falls … his bio article is also rated Low importance. The bio article on Edward A. Geary is rated Medium importence … that is because he was Speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives and served briefly as acting governor of Oregon. As a side note, it’s general practice within Wikipedia to allow members of a specific project to grade articles related to that project … also self-assessments are not common (e.g while I created the three example articles above, their quality/importance ratings were done by another Wiki-Oregon editor). Wiki-Oregon is a very active group and we grade things pretty quickly once our New Oregon Article bot identifies new work. Let me close by once again thanking you for adding Wiki-Oregon related content … new articles are always welcome.--Orygun (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
- Orygun: may you please tell me which banner to use "without grade"? I put medium since the people I'm writing an article about were included in a book about women living in Oregon beginning of the XX century, and they were highlighted among others. Therefore I assumed their importance from there. But I'm more than willing to let other evaluate the grade. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
- Just leave the class and importance sections blank … e.g. {WikiProject Oregon|class= |importance= }}. Someone from Wiki-Oregon will do assessment and fill in blanks with appropriate ratings. Regarding your source, ensuring notability is first step in identifying a subject suitable for Wikipedia … i.e. to qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia a subject (in this case, a person) must have bio facts cited in reliable third-party source (usually more than one). Books like the one you cited were common during early part of 20th century and are very useful in identifying notable people to write about; however, good sources don’t create importance. If you review Wiki-Oregon criterion for Medium important, we’re looking for people who had significant state-wide impact on some aspect of Oregon history, politics, geography, culture, etc., or have a modest level of national importance. People whose importance is local or less than significant at the state level are rated as Low importance. I don’t know about other Wiki-Project, but in Wiki-Oregon only 12% of our article are rated Medium, little over 2% are rated High, and a very small number (106) articles warrant Top importance.--Orygun (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Geneve L. A. Shaffer
On 4 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Geneve L. A. Shaffer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Geneve L. A. Shaffer, known as the "Skyscraper Girl", was the United States' first woman glider pilot? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Geneve L. A. Shaffer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Geneve L. A. Shaffer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:04, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Adeline Palmier Wagoner
On 5 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Adeline Palmier Wagoner, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Adeline Palmier Wagoner wrote Madame Beaulieu: A Colonial Dame, a biography of her ancestor, a social leader in Cahokia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Adeline Palmier Wagoner. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Adeline Palmier Wagoner), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Editor's Barnstar | |
This is a note of appreciation. You are doing a fantastic job. Be aware that you have many admirers. If you do attract unwanted attention then try and console yourself with that you are taking one for the team. Troll like behaviour is not about you or your donations. We attract a wide variety of editors and many of us are happy to be here. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 16:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC) |
- I agree with Victuallers' sentiments. Great work! Do not be discouraged by criticisms, instead consider whether they are valid and try to improve as an editor by heeding the points made. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:21, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
newspapers.com
Hi there, I saw you have used newspapers.com as a resource for a number of articles, and wonder if you have Publisher's Extra access? If you do, would you mind if I asked you to clip a few articles? I have access to the regular articles ([[Wikipedia:Newspaperarchive.com|through Wikipedia), but unfortunately not the Publisher's Extra content. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 18:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- If Publisher's Extra content access means I can clip and save the articles, yes I have, so let me know which ones and I can do it for you. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:48, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Page stalker here, according to the library, Extra Publishing is now available to everyone. [15] If you aren't able to see every result from a search, ask them to add that feature Usernameunique. I suppose you can post it on the talk page, but I posted it to User:Cameron11598's talk page, since they are the coordinator. SusunW (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Elisa.rolle! Looks like I'll actually be able to get them myself, based on what SusunW said, but I appreciate the offer nonetheless. SusunW, thanks for the information—really looking forward to that content. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, could I ask you to clip this article? Still haven't received full access yet, but would love to read this one. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 03:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Usernameunique: it's very short, here you go: [16] Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- That's great, thank you! --Usernameunique (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Usernameunique: it's very short, here you go: [16] Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, could I ask you to clip this article? Still haven't received full access yet, but would love to read this one. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 03:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Elisa.rolle! Looks like I'll actually be able to get them myself, based on what SusunW said, but I appreciate the offer nonetheless. SusunW, thanks for the information—really looking forward to that content. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Page stalker here, according to the library, Extra Publishing is now available to everyone. [15] If you aren't able to see every result from a search, ask them to add that feature Usernameunique. I suppose you can post it on the talk page, but I posted it to User:Cameron11598's talk page, since they are the coordinator. SusunW (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Adele Schulenburg Gleeson
On 8 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Adele Schulenburg Gleeson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Adele Schulenburg Gleeson, an American sculptor active in Missouri and Connecticut, studied sculpture under George Julian Zolnay and Charles Grafly? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Adele Schulenburg Gleeson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Adele Schulenburg Gleeson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for James Amster
On 8 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James Amster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the mirror suggested by Elsie de Wolfe and added by James Amster to make his Amster Yard look bigger is still in place today? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James Amster. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, James Amster), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Words of appreciation
Thank you for your wonderful contributions to women. I try to do my part by writing about our lady representatives of blues and rock music. I also noticed you write hooks for DYK; if you need help with any submissions, feel free to ping me. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- thank you TheGracefulSlick. I'm Italian and English is my second language, so I will remember your offer if I'm stuck with something ;-) I try to be very simple in my post, and I don't mind if other improves them. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Una B. Herrick
On 12 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Una B. Herrick, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Una B. Herrick was called a "trailblazer" as she "made a place for women" at Montana State College? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Una B. Herrick. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Una B. Herrick), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry!
Apparently DYK reviewing is beyond me. --MopTop (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- nope --MopTop, you were in the middle of something that I prefer to let it go ;-) thank you for you help. Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Ida Hinman
On 14 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ida Hinman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ida Hinman, author of a popular Washington, D.C. guidebook, died in poverty and her body was identified through a membership pin of the Daughters of the American Revolution? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Hinman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ida Hinman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Kate Brew Vaughn
On 14 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kate Brew Vaughn, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that someone told Kate Brew Vaughn that her eggless, sugarless, and butterless World War I Victory Cake was "joyless", but then ate three pieces? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kate Brew Vaughn. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kate Brew Vaughn), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Ida Hall Roby
On 15 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ida Hall Roby, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ida Hall Roby was the first woman to graduate from the Illinois College of Pharmacy at Northwestern University? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Hall Roby. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ida Hall Roby), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Reah Whitehead
On 16 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Reah Whitehead, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Reah Whitehead, the first female justice of the peace in Washington state, started her legal career as a stenographer? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Reah Whitehead. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Reah Whitehead), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Jacqueline Noel
On 17 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jacqueline Noel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that librarian Jacqueline Noel gave Almond Roca candy its name? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jacqueline Noel. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jacqueline Noel), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Sarah Mundell Crane
On 17 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Mundell Crane, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 19th-century concert singer Sarah Mundell Crane was the mother of silent movie actor Harry Ogden Crane? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Mundell Crane. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Mundell Crane), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 12:04, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Elizabeth Wade White
On 18 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elizabeth Wade White, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Elizabeth Wade White was accepted into the B.Litt. program at Oxford, despite not having an undergraduate degree? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Wade White. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Elizabeth Wade White), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Barnstar for You!
Due to your extremely massive amount of hard work and research, here is a barnstar for you!:
The Original Barnstar | ||
Thank you very much for all of your hard work and contributions here on Wikipedia! Futurist110 (talk) 01:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC) |
DYK for Una R. Winter
On 19 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Una R. Winter, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Una R. Winter reported in 1935 that there was very little interest in women's suffrage in Mexico? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Una R. Winter. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Una R. Winter), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Theresa Meikle
On 19 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Theresa Meikle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Theresa Meikle became the presiding judge of San Francisco County Superior Court in 1955, the first woman elected to such a position in any major American city? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Theresa Meikle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Theresa Meikle), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 12:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Berenice Wyer
On 21 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Berenice Wyer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Paolo and Francesca, the second work "for Reader with Piano accompaniment" by pianist and composer Berenice Wyer, was performed in New York and Chicago? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Berenice Wyer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Berenice Wyer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Judith Ellen Foster
On 21 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Judith Ellen Foster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the house of Judith Ellen Foster, the "Iowa lawyer" of the temperance movement, was burnt down, presumably by her opponents? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Judith Ellen Foster. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Judith Ellen Foster), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Two in one set: a rare achievement! - Elisa, I saw with sadness that you are taking a break from DYK. I have a selfish wish: please consider to nominate one or the other, - what else should I review? I always liked improving together, but possibly was on your nerves? Let me know what should go better. - Did you know that I show your impressive unique user page to friends? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- Dear Gerda Arendt, it wasn't you or neither other wonderful people I saw are working with DYK (Usernameunique, (Cwmhiraeth). It's some other people that, apparently, likes to stop DYK for whatever reason, and when you work to make it better, they find another reason. And when in the end, after a lot of patience spent to make it better according to their requests, gladly forget to come back and tell you now it's OK. First of all, if it wasn't OK, they could have said all point at first; second, sometime, for small point, they could have correct them instead of pulling back a DYK in prep (and it did not happen once but more than once, and same user always only with my DYK), last but not least, the real good review is when you TEACH something, not when you go up a pulpit and unleash you "power" to make the people's below life miserable. Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't watch besides what I reviewed, and probably don't want to look now, - I am busy writing. How about the following: You nominate, as you used to do, and withdraw in case of difficulties. May I suggest that you offer good faith towards critics, not thinking they want to show how powerful they are, and make you feel miserable, but improve articles? Did you tell them: "what you just did made me feel miserable". What I see: a lot of misery on this site comes from misunderstandings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- yes I did and yes i withdrew and their reply was to double effort on stopping my DYK. And that is when I decide to stop writing them. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I am sorry I haven't been able to help much. I think it's good to take a break from DYK, as I agree with a lot of what Elisa is saying. Alex ShihTalk 08:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- Understand, perhaps sleep over it a few times. - Elisa, when you want to withdraw a nomination to which nobody has yet responded, you can try to it have it deleted using {{db}} with a reason on top of the page. As soon as there was a different user involved, you can only say in prose that you withraw, and it will be closed by an admin. You can't dispose about the deletion of content that is not (only) yours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt: IF that is the right process, than someone should rewrite the message from the BOT stating that if a DYK is incomplete, then the creator can use that tag for asking to delete it. But that is for someone else, even today they are continuing their witch hunt. therefore I stand on my position to not write DYKs anymore. I'm curious to see how long they will continue... Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- I tried to explain something basic: that no user - DYK or anywhere - can have the contributiutions of others deleted. In DYK terminoly, "incomplete" means "not (yet) on the nominations' page", which usually means that the nominator is the only user who contriuted. It's not true when the nomination is returned after promotion. - Sorry that you feel like a hunted witch. It reminds me of the witch of Pungo, whose good name was restored after 300 years ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt: IF that is the right process, than someone should rewrite the message from the BOT stating that if a DYK is incomplete, then the creator can use that tag for asking to delete it. But that is for someone else, even today they are continuing their witch hunt. therefore I stand on my position to not write DYKs anymore. I'm curious to see how long they will continue... Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Understand, perhaps sleep over it a few times. - Elisa, when you want to withdraw a nomination to which nobody has yet responded, you can try to it have it deleted using {{db}} with a reason on top of the page. As soon as there was a different user involved, you can only say in prose that you withraw, and it will be closed by an admin. You can't dispose about the deletion of content that is not (only) yours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I am sorry I haven't been able to help much. I think it's good to take a break from DYK, as I agree with a lot of what Elisa is saying. Alex ShihTalk 08:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- yes I did and yes i withdrew and their reply was to double effort on stopping my DYK. And that is when I decide to stop writing them. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't watch besides what I reviewed, and probably don't want to look now, - I am busy writing. How about the following: You nominate, as you used to do, and withdraw in case of difficulties. May I suggest that you offer good faith towards critics, not thinking they want to show how powerful they are, and make you feel miserable, but improve articles? Did you tell them: "what you just did made me feel miserable". What I see: a lot of misery on this site comes from misunderstandings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Nancy Coonsman
On 21 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nancy Coonsman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nancy Coonsman sculpted Victory, the war memorial erected in Cheppy, France, to honor the men from Missouri in the 35th Infantry Division killed during World War I? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nancy Coonsman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nancy Coonsman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 12:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Nannie C. Dunsmoor
On 24 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nannie C. Dunsmoor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nannie C. Dunsmoor, a Los Angeles pioneer woman physician practicing into her 80s, was the oldest United States active member of the Soroptimist Club? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nannie C. Dunsmoor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nannie C. Dunsmoor), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Orelia Key Bell
On 24 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Orelia Key Bell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that, in 1895, Orelia Key Bell dedicated a collection of poems to her "Heavenly Muse" Ida Jane Ash, next to whom she is now buried in Atlanta? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Orelia Key Bell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Orelia Key Bell), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 12:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Tom Doerr
On 25 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tom Doerr, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the lambda (pictured) designed by Tom Doerr as a symbol for the Gay Activists Alliance was chrome yellow, a reference to Aldous Huxley's novel Crome Yellow? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Doerr. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tom Doerr), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Caroline Augusta Huling
On 25 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Caroline Augusta Huling, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 1896 novel The Courage of Her Convictions by Caroline Augusta Huling is the story of a woman who is artificially inseminated? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline Augusta Huling. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Caroline Augusta Huling), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Vanamonde (talk) 12:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Women in Red October editathon invitation
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Canti
Do you think you could create stubs for the two poems in Tre Canti di Leopardi that don't have an article yet? Thank you for the DYK review, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- let me have a look at it, it's not my expertize but I studied Leopardi at school. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- Expertise is not needed, just a short little article (or two) which makes the link to the long Italian possible without a "red link + (it)", - nicer-looking, I think. It will be on DYK tomorrow afternoon. The third poem has an article, that could be a model. - Thanks for considering it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Oreste Pucciani
On 26 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Oreste Pucciani, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1948, Oreste Pucciani, champion of the "direct method" of language teaching, banned English from his classroom at UCLA? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Oreste Pucciani. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Oreste Pucciani), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 01:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Ada Bell Maescher
On 27 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ada Bell Maescher, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ada Bell Maescher produced Night Life in Hollywood as a propaganda film to depict Hollywood as a model city populated by home-loving people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ada Bell Maescher. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ada Bell Maescher), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 01:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Ida Waugh
On 28 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ida Waugh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that illustrator Ida Waugh met her life partner Amy Ella Blanchard when the latter was hired as a tutor for her younger brother, future painter Frederick Judd Waugh? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Waugh. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ida Waugh), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 00:49, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks and Fanny Blood
Great work. Lots of new articles at #wikiwomeninred. I added some stuff to Fanny Blood, but had to remove the picture as I'm pretty sure its Fanny Kemble in the painting. See here. I found a bit in "Mary a Fiction" article that says that Mary W was annoyed when Fanny married. However it had complex reffing and I think you know a bit more than me. So I have left it out but you may want to consider. Do keep up the good work. Cheers. Victuallers (talk) 08:25, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Hodgkins and Skubic House
Hi User:Elisa.rolle! Thanks for making Hodgkins and Skubic House - it's exciting to see my LocalWiki work reused here! You did a great job of pulling out the sources that I linked from that LocalWiki article. We can't use the LocalWiki page itself as a source though, because I don't have formal credentials in Isla Vista history. Another historian found a little more information that we may be able to use - see this Facebook post. If you get a chance, I suggest linking Hodgkins and Skubic House back from Isla Vista, California in some way, so that people interested in IV history can more easily learn about the houses. Let me know how else I can help. Dreamyshade (talk) 17:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Caroline B. Winslow
On 1 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Caroline B. Winslow, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Caroline B. Winslow opened the Homeopathic Free Dispensary, the first facility in Washington, D.C. where women doctors could practice side-by-side with their male colleagues? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline B. Winslow. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Caroline B. Winslow), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 04:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Don Amador
On 1 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Don Amador, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Don Amador is portrayed in the film Milk by his friend Cleve Jones, while Jones is portrayed by Emile Hirsch? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Don Amador. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Don Amador), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 04:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Idora M. Plowman
Hi, I was just looking up a VIAF for this person and I notice you have the wrong date of death according to VIAF and your source: it says she died on February 16, 1929, not February 26, 1928 as you have it. Did you have a different source saying 1928 or was this just a slip? I've corrected it to 1929 for now as this is what the book says. Blythwood (talk) 18:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh dear, this website says February 26. Any idea which source is more reliable? Blythwood (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- here [17] you have the picture of her tombstone. Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's...very odd. Especially since I've just found that another of your sources said she died on 2 Feb 1929. I'm going to ping @Drmies:, who's a member of Arbcom and a specialist on Alabama topics. Drmies, any ideas how to deal with this mess? Blythwood (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- February 26, 1929 (the tombstone is wrong): [18] Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh wow, great work! I've just checked a calendar and yes, they do mean February 26 (I was worried they meant "Tuesday, two days ago" or something, but February 26 was the Tuesday they mean so no problem there. How on earth do you get the year wrong on a gravestone? Blythwood (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- the funny thing is that I first searched 1928 and I found a newspaper saying that in April 1928, two months after her "death" she was entertaining guests at her home ;-) should have been an interesting visit LOL Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh wow. This is the kind of thing that's worth explaining! :) I've seen a similar case with a person I wrote a Wikipedia article on - only the specialist German-language sources and a sign in his home town have the right DOD. Someone got the date wrong in an early English-language source for him at least fifty years ago and the mistake has been copied and copied ever since. Blythwood (talk) 18:50, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think you did a good job with the note, but if you want to add the fact about the 1928 April article it's just a not on a society page but I clipped it for you: [19] Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh wow. This is the kind of thing that's worth explaining! :) I've seen a similar case with a person I wrote a Wikipedia article on - only the specialist German-language sources and a sign in his home town have the right DOD. Someone got the date wrong in an early English-language source for him at least fifty years ago and the mistake has been copied and copied ever since. Blythwood (talk) 18:50, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- the funny thing is that I first searched 1928 and I found a newspaper saying that in April 1928, two months after her "death" she was entertaining guests at her home ;-) should have been an interesting visit LOL Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh wow, great work! I've just checked a calendar and yes, they do mean February 26 (I was worried they meant "Tuesday, two days ago" or something, but February 26 was the Tuesday they mean so no problem there. How on earth do you get the year wrong on a gravestone? Blythwood (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- February 26, 1929 (the tombstone is wrong): [18] Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's...very odd. Especially since I've just found that another of your sources said she died on 2 Feb 1929. I'm going to ping @Drmies:, who's a member of Arbcom and a specialist on Alabama topics. Drmies, any ideas how to deal with this mess? Blythwood (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- here [17] you have the picture of her tombstone. Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
I've found two more articles where the DOB/DOD don't match VIAF: the DOD of Barbara Perkins Gamow and the DOB of Kate Slaughter McKinney. I don't have time today to research this but might later in the week. Will fill you in on what I dig up. Thanks for writing all these articles, in any case! Blythwood (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- Barbara Gamow: "The George Gamow Memorial Lectures were initiated by the Department of Physics and Mrs. Barbara Gamow after the death of her husband. The lecture series began in 1971 and is now maintained by a bequest to the Regents of the University of Colorado from the Will of Mrs. Barbara Gamow, who died in December 1975." [20]
- Kate Slaughter McKinney: [21] and [22] Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if you have this woman on your radar, but I just did an article on Kate Harvey and it is pretty clear that their relationship was extremely close.[23] Despard's WP biography is pretty poorly documented and there is nothing in it about her relationships to other women, or men. This links her to Edward Carpenter. Just curious if you know anything more about her. SusunW (talk) 22:25, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- I did not remember to have crossed their name in my researches, usually I took notice when it's about couples... I can try to ask on my blog, there are many lesbian historians among my friends. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Later in life Kate Harvey had another partner, Helen Smith: [24] Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, she left her home to Smith when she died. ;) SusunW (talk) 23:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Truth be told at the time, especially for women with disability, it was easier to share home with another women rather than a men. It was quite common. But what I can tell you is that there was another anti-vivisection advocate that was living with her partner, Frances Power Cobbe, she was actually the one who founded National Anti-Vivisection Society (NAVS) in 1875. She was 20 years older than Despard and already dead when Despard met Harvey, but maybe there is some good digging here. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, she left her home to Smith when she died. ;) SusunW (talk) 23:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Later in life Kate Harvey had another partner, Helen Smith: [24] Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Jane Frances Winn
On 2 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jane Frances Winn, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jane Frances Winn was one of the first female journalists to cover women's golf events? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Frances Winn. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jane Frances Winn), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for William Olander
On 3 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article William Olander, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after Silence=Death posters (pictured) appeared around Manhattan, William Olander created a New Museum exhibit highlighting public indifference to AIDS victims? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/William Olander. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, William Olander), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 04:02, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Mab Copland Lineman
On 3 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mab Copland Lineman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the lack of breakfast pushed Mab Copland Lineman to fight against a labor union? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mab Copland Lineman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mab Copland Lineman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 04:03, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Orfa Jean Shontz
On 4 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Orfa Jean Shontz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Judge Orfa Jean Shontz created an all female juvenile court with a homelike setting? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Orfa Jean Shontz. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Orfa Jean Shontz), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 03:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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Fine article on the Gerhard sisters. Really intrigued by the picture caught in Geronimo's eye. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2017 (UTC) |
DYK for Bernice C. Downing
On 5 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bernice C. Downing, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that twin sisters Bertha and Bernice C. Downing became owners and publishers of the Santa Clara Journal when they were 17 years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bernice C. Downing. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Bernice C. Downing), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 03:33, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Vine Colby
On 6 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vine Colby, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 1912 party hosted by Vine Colby made the news for its originality? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vine Colby. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Vine Colby), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex ShihTalk 03:17, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
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Redirects
Hallo Elisa, Thanks for all your contributions to Women in Red. Please remember that you can make your articles much more easily found if you create Redirects pointing to them. I'm going through a lot of the Women in Red output articles and adding redirects and I've just found Idora M. Plowman. It seemed really essential to have a redirect from her pen-name under which she published so I created Betsy Hamilton (and mentioned this name in the lead to explain why it leads to this article), and then the simplest form of her name which is the default choice of title for Wikipedia, Idora Plowman. Also quite important seemed the forms of name by which the various sources refer to her such as Idora McClellan Moore, and even Elizabeth Idora McClellan although that seems probably wrong. I created a few more too - difficult to know where to stop with a lady with such a choice of names, but I get a bit carried away sometimes. But please make at least the most important redirects, for any article you create. It helps the reader (perhaps the one who's come across "Betsy Hamilton"'s writings), and it makes it less likely that another editor will carelessly create a duplicate article at a variant title. Thanks for all your article creations, and Happy Editing! PamD 13:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!
Hello. I found some more info about the above person, and I'd like you to take a look at the article and see if there are any corrections you would suggest. Thanks very much. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:04, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- BeenAroundAWhile: that is fine, thank you for let me know. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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Happy holidays Elisa :) Let me know if you have any ongoing projects that I can help on. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 16:23, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you Alex Shih, and also Happy Holidays to you too. I'm just doing some missing LGBT bio when I realize they are missing from Wikipedia. I have not really a logic there, just checking the names and do one or two by day. Or redirect them if the partner is not worthy a page by themselves. Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:50, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
New Year's resolution: Write more articles for Women in Red!
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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2017 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Hi Elisa. As I am a fan of Titanic in general, I read this article with great interest. Do you have another source other than this one that suggests her sexuality? Because I am afraid the current source is not reliable. Anyway, happy new year! Alex Shih (talk) 17:39, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Alex Shih, actually I think no one ever researched it, and therefore no, there is not a more reliable source. From experience, I can only tell you that American heiresses at the beginning of the 1900s moved to Paris when they were part of the Lesbian community, since in Paris there was a sort of big gathering around Natalie Clifford Barney, who had first moved around 1899. Secondly, many lesbians of that period raised dogs (the same Barney, but also Radclyffe Hall and Gertrude Stein and many more): owning one or more dogs was a sort of appurtenance symbol. But this is indeed assumption and original research. We can remove that tidbit of info, her story is, in any case, valuable. She was after all, one of the 4 first class women passengers to die. Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, Elisa. Yes, if you can remove the claim it would be great. I agree that her story is valuable; I've always wondered about the fate of these four first class women passengers. Alex Shih (talk) 17:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- One of the other women to die was the wife of the owner of Macy's (the department store in NYC), she was travelling with her husband, they were both old, and she was allowed to enter the lifeboat, but not her husband, and she said, we have lived together for a long time, we can die together as well. ([25]) When they were told they could both enter the lifeboat, they preferred to leave space to younger people. Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, Elisa. Yes, if you can remove the claim it would be great. I agree that her story is valuable; I've always wondered about the fate of these four first class women passengers. Alex Shih (talk) 17:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Apology
I apologize for my abruptness with response to your obviously well-intended disambiguation efforts. I do not want to discourage you from working in this area. If you see the need for a disambiguation page, you can create it at the "Foo (disambiguation)" title, and then propose to displace the article occupying the primary topic title with the disambiguation page (see, e.g. Talk:Larry Burns#Requested move 27 December 2017). Cheers! bd2412 T 04:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Your Recent Article Creations
Hi Elisa. I was looking over some of the articles you created recently and I wanted to take a moment to thank you for all the work you are putting in to expand our coverage of biographies, I and many others greatly appreciate it. I also wanted to let you know that in some of your articles I noticed you included considerable detail about family members of the article's subject. As you likely know, a notable individual does not confer notability on their family (WP:BIOFAMILY). Mentioning someone's parents generally is fine, but going into extended detail about siblings, parents, etc. is generally too much for an article not about them (see for example Lucy Harrison, where I am going through and to condense some of the extraneous detail out). Further, when writing about a biography, we do not need a retelling of every moment in a subject's life (where they moved to every few years, all the experiences, etc.) just the high points in a summary fashion. Many of your articles do not have extraneous detail in them but I wanted to drop you a note so you are aware of it moving forward. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to talk further, thanks for your hard work and contributions. Best, Mifter (talk)
Bertha Wright
Can you also correct your sourcing in Bertha Wright this is not a reliable source and it is most certainly not public domain.
This may be a better reference.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, that certainly looks better. I will change the sourcing. Alex Shih (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- thank you, will change the source. Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! I ran into edit conflict with you, but our edits were mostly the same. I copyedited some sentences and temporarily removed some information that weren't covered by the Working Nurse source. I will probably add them back if I can find better sources. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
DYK for Marie Grice Young?
Hi Elisa.rolle, and thanks for starting the article on Marie Grice Young. I was led to the page via this Tweet. I wanted to suggest nominating the article for DYK. After my first read-through, it looks to meet all the requirements.
I see you have experience with DYKs in the past, but if you want any help, I would be happy to assist you. = paul2520 (talk) 12:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Dear paul2520. I'm not against a DYK, but I had not nice experiences in the past with the group and the hassle behind nominating a DYK is not something I want to face again. If you want you can nominate it, and if you need help, I would be glad to provide it. I think the Roosevelt connection, the fact she was living with a woman and also the Titanic are all nice DYK points. There is also the story about her chickens (White and Young bought chickens in France for the NY contry house of White and they were bringing them back to NY): I did not include it, but for a DYK I could add it (it's a proven story). Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Alex Shih, maybe you want to help paul2520? as you know, I promise myself to not write DYK anymore, too hassle for me, but I'm not against the idea. Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, sure. I will take a look first and then nominate :-) Alex Shih (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Alex Shih. I'm happy to help if you need anything. = paul2520 (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Alex Shih, Paul2520, please be aware they put an AfD on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie Grice Young Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, Alex Shih, I noticed you haven't nominated the DYK yet (not to rush you). If you don't have time in the next couple of days (as the article was created January 6), I would be happy to do the nomination. Let me know! = paul2520 (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: Actually yes, if you don't mind please go ahead, thanks! I didn't nominate as the article was nominated for deletion, but the nomination got closed earlier than I expected. Alex Shih (talk) 04:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Elisa.rolle and Alex Shih: Done. See Did you know nominations/Marie Grice Young. = paul2520 (talk) 15:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: Actually yes, if you don't mind please go ahead, thanks! I didn't nominate as the article was nominated for deletion, but the nomination got closed earlier than I expected. Alex Shih (talk) 04:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, Alex Shih, I noticed you haven't nominated the DYK yet (not to rush you). If you don't have time in the next couple of days (as the article was created January 6), I would be happy to do the nomination. Let me know! = paul2520 (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Alex Shih, Paul2520, please be aware they put an AfD on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie Grice Young Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Alex Shih. I'm happy to help if you need anything. = paul2520 (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, sure. I will take a look first and then nominate :-) Alex Shih (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
@Paul2520 and Alex Shih:, I'm sort of starting to feel like there is a plot against Marie Grice Young and her life companion Ella Holmes White. First an user tried to delete Marie Grice Young, snow kept btw, and now another user wants to delete the part regarding Jonathan Ned Katz: Talk:Marie Grice Young and Talk:Ella Holmes White. Jonathan Ned Katz is a respected historian, and that of Young and White maybe be one of the few "documented" LGBT relationships; the fact they were on the Titanic, put them on a spotlight that otherwise was not happening. I think that is an important details, and should not be removed. Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:14, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Smaller images?
I am hugely impressed with the lovely work you have been doing creating quality material on the encyclopaedia. Delightful. I found that at least some of the images you are using are rather huge in terms of data size and pages take forever for me to load. I have made this mistake in the past, too, and found a tool to compress them down to something reasonable before posting to wikimedia. Would you consider doing the same, sacrificing a little of the definition of the images for the sake of people without lightning-fast connections? sirlanz 13:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sure. I was of the idea that Wikimedia was doing it automatically since I saw that when I upload one of my picture (I suppose that is the issue since I upload them to the max quality) they are automatically proposed in different sizes... but maybe I'm wrong, and I can compress them before uploading. Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
One of your edits this afternoon has prompted me to start Matthew Ponsonby, 2nd Baron Ponsonby of Shulbrede. Moonraker (talk) 15:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- thank you! Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Belated best wishes for a happy 2018
== BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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I've been seeing how many news articles you've been creating since I was first pointed to Marie Grice Young. Keep up the great work, and feel free to reach out if you would like someone to help with anything! I'd happily do the legwork for more DYKs. = paul2520 (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC) |
- thank you paul2520. Basically there are so many interesting women everyday that it's almost impossible to choose ;-) but if some article pick your interest, I would be happy to help with the details for a DYK. I decided to now write them anymore since it takes off time to the writing of new articles, and it was sort of stressful for me, but indeed I'm glad to see some of them becoming a DYK. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
DYK for Marie Grice Young
On 24 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie Grice Young, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marie Grice Young, piano instructor for Theodore Roosevelt's children, is speculated to have been one of the LGBT passengers on the RMS Titanic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Grice Young. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marie Grice Young), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 12:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Potential?
I'm not sure how much you'll be able to find in English as far as sources go (hopefully enough), but just dropping a note that Margarete Bause and Ulrike Scharf might be good candidates for articles in case you're interested. GMGtalk 15:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- thank you, will have a look at them --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- GMG, thank you for the links, but I tend not to write about living people ;-), I'm an history buff myself... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ah. No worries. Maybe you know better than I a good place to drop a note with the WIR folks, and see if someone there is interested, or even better, interested and speaks German. GMGtalk 15:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sure that I can do. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ah. No worries. Maybe you know better than I a good place to drop a note with the WIR folks, and see if someone there is interested, or even better, interested and speaks German. GMGtalk 15:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- GMG, thank you for the links, but I tend not to write about living people ;-), I'm an history buff myself... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
DYK for Marie Grice Young
On 27 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie Grice Young, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marie Grice Young, piano instructor for President Theodore Roosevelt's children, is speculated to have been one of the LGBT passengers on the RMS Titanic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Grice Young. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marie Grice Young), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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GreenMeansGo, Alex Shih, paul2520, Victuallers, Futurist110, SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, TheGracefulSlick leaving this message to you all since you are just the lasts who expressed your support/appreciation. As it happened in November, I reached a point were the rude attitude on wikipedia I'm receiving from some editors is affecting my private life. I do this task out of passion and it cannot affect my peace of mind. I need again a break, one month, maybe more, at this time I do not know. Remaining now would be worst for me and wikipedia too. Thank you for your words, and know it was appreciated. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hey Elisa. No worries at all. I'm sure we'd all much rather have a mentally healthy and happy volunteer who sticks around for a long time but takes a few breaks, rather than someone who burns hot, bright, and quickly fizzles out. You've been a very valuable contributor and I hope you continue to be. If there's anything any of us can do to help I'm sure all you have to do is reach out and we'd be happy to do whatever we can. GMGtalk 13:30, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's good to take a break, Wikipedia is never supposed to be stressful. Have a good rest! I will look after some of your article creations :-) Alex Shih (talk) 13:46, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Alex Shih, beating the dead dog is never nice... attitude like this should be frowned upon [26] and [27]... As I said, I need my peace, and I'm willing to bow out to find it, but I do not think attitude like this should be encouraged. Right or not right, when you behave in such way, you automatically go on the wrong said. And sorry, but it's clear it's not on the content of the pages, but on the person that they are acting. My two cents. As I said, I need rest, and I will bow out. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW the Emily Woodruff (philantropist) article used a source from the Springer Opera House, so if copyvio or not reliable source is in place it's on that page (too). Nice that to me is addressed, in a rude way, but on the original page, created months/years ago, everything is fine... Cecil Beaton's book is most likely in PD, and anyway it was correctly "cited" and not copied like my words. And "He died in XYZ by throat cancer at 41" I think it can be hardly a sentence that can be used as a copyvio factor... Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:06, 31 January 2018 (UTCe)
- Alannah Harper the copyvio, if existing since the user decided to delete the page altogether is on the Biographical notes of her paper hosted in an University. I can hardly imagine which important text was copyied... maybe where she lived or died? again unreasonable attitude from one specific editor. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- First paragraph of your article: "Allanah Harper was born on 6 November 1904 in Brighton, England. Her father was a highly successful engineering contractor who served as a consultant for the design of the first Aswan Dam in Egypt, and who built the first railway through the Andes in South America." First paragraph of the source[28]: "Allanah Harper was born in Brighton, England on the 6th of November, 1904. Her father was a highly successful engineering contractor who served as a consultant for the design of the first Aswan Dam in Egypt, and who built the first railway through the Andes in South America."... Fram (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed a biographical sentence from a Biographical Note of Papers that are, by nature, info to be used for research the person. And your comment on Archive.com cannot be trusted. [29] Possible copyright status NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT. I do not think this is an info to be interpreted. NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT. If the copyright violation has to be arised it's for sure not on me. Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:31, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- First paragraph of your article: "Allanah Harper was born on 6 November 1904 in Brighton, England. Her father was a highly successful engineering contractor who served as a consultant for the design of the first Aswan Dam in Egypt, and who built the first railway through the Andes in South America." First paragraph of the source[28]: "Allanah Harper was born in Brighton, England on the 6th of November, 1904. Her father was a highly successful engineering contractor who served as a consultant for the design of the first Aswan Dam in Egypt, and who built the first railway through the Andes in South America."... Fram (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Alannah Harper the copyvio, if existing since the user decided to delete the page altogether is on the Biographical notes of her paper hosted in an University. I can hardly imagine which important text was copyied... maybe where she lived or died? again unreasonable attitude from one specific editor. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW the Emily Woodruff (philantropist) article used a source from the Springer Opera House, so if copyvio or not reliable source is in place it's on that page (too). Nice that to me is addressed, in a rude way, but on the original page, created months/years ago, everything is fine... Cecil Beaton's book is most likely in PD, and anyway it was correctly "cited" and not copied like my words. And "He died in XYZ by throat cancer at 41" I think it can be hardly a sentence that can be used as a copyvio factor... Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:06, 31 January 2018 (UTCe)
- Alex Shih, beating the dead dog is never nice... attitude like this should be frowned upon [26] and [27]... As I said, I need my peace, and I'm willing to bow out to find it, but I do not think attitude like this should be encouraged. Right or not right, when you behave in such way, you automatically go on the wrong said. And sorry, but it's clear it's not on the content of the pages, but on the person that they are acting. My two cents. As I said, I need rest, and I will bow out. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Rest - and be back when it's good for you. All we do is not needed but voluntary, and if it's good it's a pleasure. What you created is just stunning! I try one article a day, but you reached 300 in a few weeks, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- between new and improved I think almost 700 in 6 months. 5 or 6 a day? Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've so been there, so many times. Enjoy your break and come back refreshed. Take care of you, that is all that is important. SusunW (talk) 14:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sad that it causes stress, but I know that it can. You've done a great job. Look how many of "the good people" are your mates. Do have a rest and come over and say hello at Women in Red project page when you feel refreshed. Victuallers (talk) 14:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- You've done some amazing work and deserve a break. Take all the time you need. Feel free to reach out if you need anything, or would like any help in the future. I'll be doing some Women in Red work in February in your honor. = paul2520 (talk) 14:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- paul2520, :-) thank you, that would be very nice. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- SusunW, Rosiestep, paul2520, may you please follow the AfD for this article: Barbara Spofford Morgan? I will not do it. thanks, Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've given the Barbara Spofford Morgan article a bit of additional attention. IMHO, it's not in jeopardy. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- SusunW, Rosiestep, paul2520, may you please follow the AfD for this article: Barbara Spofford Morgan? I will not do it. thanks, Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- paul2520, :-) thank you, that would be very nice. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, Alex Shih, paul2520, Victuallers, Futurist110, SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, TheGracefulSlick, and now I cannot neither express my opinion since Fram decided to block me, again nice attitude. Once again the reason why I'm more than glad to have taken the decision to go. Instead of a temporary leave, now it's a definitive leave. Goodbye Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't mean to pour salt in the wound, but I'm expected to notify you of this thread. I really don't have a choice but to nominate them. I really can't leave them there knowing that there's problem with them.
- I... wish I had been more involved with this earlier and maybe I could have prevented things from coming to blows. I still hope, after you've taken some time off, you end up missing us, and maybe we can try to figure a way out of this that will satisfy everybody. You know where to find me if you come back and decide you might like to try again. I'm no mover or shaker, but I've got a little bit of experience pleading and groveling for the good of the encyclopedia, and I'm happy to do what I can. GMGtalk 17:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, those images are NOT from the Book of Beauty, they are ABOUT people that are in the book of beauty; all those images are from a company called Bassano LTD, that, being taken in UK before 1948 and being not from an identified photographer, are under the PD-UK-unknown licence. Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- As for the coming back, not sorry, not happening. I just wish not the being accused of something that I did not do, like for the Bassano LTD pictures, as for the rest, nope, Wikipedia is not a place where I would like to be right now. As someone else said, in a way of the other this is a Wikipedia failure. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Gee fizz. I'm glad you explained that to me in short order. I misunderstood, and thought the date on the linked source was when the image was taken and that they were published in the book. I've withdrawn the nomination. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks again for explaining it better. GMGtalk 20:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, Can you please reinstate the gallery in The Book of Beauty? It's a book about models, and even if I cannot use the images on the books, PD images of the models would be nice in the article. Thank you, Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Done, especially since I never would have removed them to begin with otherwise. GMGtalk 20:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, and I'm sorry to say this to you, since I'm fully aware that your was an innocent mistake, but this is exactly what I'm trying to say, the rude and unjustified attitude of some editors are generating bad feelings all around, and the accuses launched here and there by those same users are targetting people that they do not like, not their work. I know my stuff, and I know that Cecil Beaton is protected till 70 years after his death... therefore I did not use his photos, despite the Book is available for download in Archive.com. If I made some mistake, those could have been taken care off with a good collaboration, but apparently the majority of editor on Wikipedia are so vain that when there is a newby that start to get notice, instead of teaching, they prefer to beating. And that attitude, is generating a panic even when panic is not necessary. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am really sorry first off. I did. I jumped the gun 100%. My brain went "photographer, book of photographs, gallery of photographs, crap." If it makes you feel any better, not all of them were yours, and there were images from some really experienced users lumped up in there too. So we've both been making some mistakes. Wikipedia is usually fine with mistakes, as long as you can step back, bang your own head squarely on your desk (as I just did), and don't make the same mistakes going forward.
- I realize some of the feedback you've been given wasn't necessarily... worded in the most effective way. Not everybody here is a great communicator all the time. But looking at something like Hugh Armigel Wade, I mean... yeah... there's a good bit of close paraphrasing in there that makes it problematic as far as copyright goes. If folks have done a poor job at explaining that, someone else can try to explain it again in a different way. Maybe certain individuals can... be strongly suggested to step away from the discussion because they're not doing it effectively (at this point, maybe I'm one of those certain individual too). But as long as you're receptive to working to fix stuff that's... pretty much the standard.
- Again, I'm sorry for playing a role in making things worse. That was the last thing I ever wanted to do. At this point, now that I've made a thorough fool of myself, I suppose I'll back away unless you ping me, but feel free to ping me if I can do anything. I'll try to not make a disaster of it. There are a lot of people who want to find a way to get you back at some point if we can. GMGtalk 20:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo you explained better than me what I wanted to say, and again, I'm not taking it up against you, since you were led to mistake, you did not do it with malice. Hugh Armigel Wade, I still think that a sentence like "He died in XYZ of throat cancer at XX years old", cannot really considered copyright infringement, especially when attached to the sentence there is the source. Anyway in that case, I corrected it, like I corrected the Emily Woodruff's page (whose copyright infringement was already in wikipedia and my mistake was to trust another editor work...) and the Valerie Violet French which was a citation from the book, and not a paraphrasing, but since the PD of the book (retrieved from Archive.com) was in question, I decided to reduce the citation to a minimum. I was notified of the issue, and I took care of it, like I did for the photographs from Bassano Ltd. But since the attitude of the notifier was rude, I "dared" to notified it (the beating the dead dog comment to Alex Shih), but apparently this is not allowed in Wikipedia, since second later the notifier decided to block me, and delete 3 pages which would be probably easy to correct (one deleted page contested the use from a Biographical Note on the Papers hosted at the University of Texas, come on, the Biographical Note are there right for the reason to let people have some summary info to be reused for research purpose, can you really imagine that an University will complain since Wikipedia is using those info and then redirect the people to them with a link? I included in that article the notice that the Alannah Harper Papers are available at University of Texas, that is free "advertize" that I hardly think the university will contest...) Anyway I tried and tried and tried again to reason with some people, and it's realy NOT WORTHY my time. I said it before, I said it again, Wikipedia is a wonderful concept, with wonderful people ruined by bad apples. You can try to ignore them, but if you do, they will think they are not important and will find a way to prove you they are. They ARE NOT. They are ruining a beautiful concept. But I'm tired, tired, and again tired to try to work for the wonderful concept ignoring the bad apple. I have a creative mind, I will find a way to use it for a purpose that will allow me 100% of happiness and 0% of stress. Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, I get what you're saying. Most people probably wouldn't try to sue Wikipedia over much of anything. Odds are they use it themselves. The problem is that content on Wikipedia isn't just free for anyone to read; it's also free for anyone to use. There have absolutely been times in the past (and anyone who's worked with the email response team can probably attest to this) where someone sent in a message saying "Now you told me content on Wikipedia was free to use, and I used this passage or this picture in my book or on my website. But I just got a call from a lawyer for someone I've never heard of and they're threatening to sue me!" And that kind of thing can happen way more often than you think when we do a bad job of removing copyrighted content. It's one of the most visited websites in the world. We're probably the most valuable resource for free knowledge in the history of our species. People take us for our word on that, which is why we have to take copyright super seriously, or we could end up wrecking someone's life because they did exactly what we told them they could do, and used Wikipedia as a resource for free knowledge. GMGtalk 21:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, Harward University, that is one of the biggest collectors of Papers, clearly states in its website that the Biographical Notes of the Papers are not under copyright, but they are free to use. There is one website, SNAC [30], that is basically a collector of Biographical Notes of Papers (copy and paste) since they are free to use. Biographical Notes are, most likely, free to use. If by any chance you are using it from a Website that is not clearly stating they are free to use, then yes, please notify who did it, and they will most likely correct it. But deleting the page out of spite is not the way to behave. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well nothing ever really gets "deleted". It just gets hidden from public view, and can normally be restored just as easily as it was taken away. And I've totally sent emails to archives in the past to the effect of: "Would you consider licensing some of your content according to the directions at WP:CONSENT so that it can be used on Wikipedia?" SNAC seems like a good candidate for an email like that, since it seems in line with their mission. But again, "free to access" isn't necessarily the same as "free to share or remix for any purpose" in the way that the license Wikipedia is published under spells it out. I agree that it's super annoying and nit-picky, but that's because copyright is written by courts and legislators and not by people who's primary purpose is to make more knowledge more free to more people. It sucks sometimes, but like I said, that's the kindof thing we have to do to avoid inadvertently wrecking someone's life because we weren't careful about what we used here. We really can't depend on things like "most likely", because that just means "we don't really know". We can't really work with "not under copyright", because things are legally under copyright by default and that could mean "public domain", "one of a half dozen creative commons licenses" each of which have different requirements, or just "we don't know". GMGtalk 22:49, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, Harward University, that is one of the biggest collectors of Papers, clearly states in its website that the Biographical Notes of the Papers are not under copyright, but they are free to use. There is one website, SNAC [30], that is basically a collector of Biographical Notes of Papers (copy and paste) since they are free to use. Biographical Notes are, most likely, free to use. If by any chance you are using it from a Website that is not clearly stating they are free to use, then yes, please notify who did it, and they will most likely correct it. But deleting the page out of spite is not the way to behave. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, I get what you're saying. Most people probably wouldn't try to sue Wikipedia over much of anything. Odds are they use it themselves. The problem is that content on Wikipedia isn't just free for anyone to read; it's also free for anyone to use. There have absolutely been times in the past (and anyone who's worked with the email response team can probably attest to this) where someone sent in a message saying "Now you told me content on Wikipedia was free to use, and I used this passage or this picture in my book or on my website. But I just got a call from a lawyer for someone I've never heard of and they're threatening to sue me!" And that kind of thing can happen way more often than you think when we do a bad job of removing copyrighted content. It's one of the most visited websites in the world. We're probably the most valuable resource for free knowledge in the history of our species. People take us for our word on that, which is why we have to take copyright super seriously, or we could end up wrecking someone's life because they did exactly what we told them they could do, and used Wikipedia as a resource for free knowledge. GMGtalk 21:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo you explained better than me what I wanted to say, and again, I'm not taking it up against you, since you were led to mistake, you did not do it with malice. Hugh Armigel Wade, I still think that a sentence like "He died in XYZ of throat cancer at XX years old", cannot really considered copyright infringement, especially when attached to the sentence there is the source. Anyway in that case, I corrected it, like I corrected the Emily Woodruff's page (whose copyright infringement was already in wikipedia and my mistake was to trust another editor work...) and the Valerie Violet French which was a citation from the book, and not a paraphrasing, but since the PD of the book (retrieved from Archive.com) was in question, I decided to reduce the citation to a minimum. I was notified of the issue, and I took care of it, like I did for the photographs from Bassano Ltd. But since the attitude of the notifier was rude, I "dared" to notified it (the beating the dead dog comment to Alex Shih), but apparently this is not allowed in Wikipedia, since second later the notifier decided to block me, and delete 3 pages which would be probably easy to correct (one deleted page contested the use from a Biographical Note on the Papers hosted at the University of Texas, come on, the Biographical Note are there right for the reason to let people have some summary info to be reused for research purpose, can you really imagine that an University will complain since Wikipedia is using those info and then redirect the people to them with a link? I included in that article the notice that the Alannah Harper Papers are available at University of Texas, that is free "advertize" that I hardly think the university will contest...) Anyway I tried and tried and tried again to reason with some people, and it's realy NOT WORTHY my time. I said it before, I said it again, Wikipedia is a wonderful concept, with wonderful people ruined by bad apples. You can try to ignore them, but if you do, they will think they are not important and will find a way to prove you they are. They ARE NOT. They are ruining a beautiful concept. But I'm tired, tired, and again tired to try to work for the wonderful concept ignoring the bad apple. I have a creative mind, I will find a way to use it for a purpose that will allow me 100% of happiness and 0% of stress. Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, and I'm sorry to say this to you, since I'm fully aware that your was an innocent mistake, but this is exactly what I'm trying to say, the rude and unjustified attitude of some editors are generating bad feelings all around, and the accuses launched here and there by those same users are targetting people that they do not like, not their work. I know my stuff, and I know that Cecil Beaton is protected till 70 years after his death... therefore I did not use his photos, despite the Book is available for download in Archive.com. If I made some mistake, those could have been taken care off with a good collaboration, but apparently the majority of editor on Wikipedia are so vain that when there is a newby that start to get notice, instead of teaching, they prefer to beating. And that attitude, is generating a panic even when panic is not necessary. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Done, especially since I never would have removed them to begin with otherwise. GMGtalk 20:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, Can you please reinstate the gallery in The Book of Beauty? It's a book about models, and even if I cannot use the images on the books, PD images of the models would be nice in the article. Thank you, Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Gee fizz. I'm glad you explained that to me in short order. I misunderstood, and thought the date on the linked source was when the image was taken and that they were published in the book. I've withdrawn the nomination. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks again for explaining it better. GMGtalk 20:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- As for the coming back, not sorry, not happening. I just wish not the being accused of something that I did not do, like for the Bassano LTD pictures, as for the rest, nope, Wikipedia is not a place where I would like to be right now. As someone else said, in a way of the other this is a Wikipedia failure. Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, those images are NOT from the Book of Beauty, they are ABOUT people that are in the book of beauty; all those images are from a company called Bassano LTD, that, being taken in UK before 1948 and being not from an identified photographer, are under the PD-UK-unknown licence. Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
GreenMeansGo if it is most likely and not sure I said notify the editor and the will take action. But blocking the user and then delete three pages (for now and I fear to imagine how many more they will delete) is a spite gesture that looks bad on them but sorry also on all the other editors that allo≠w it to happen. The user in wikimedia that despite the clear explanation was still asking for the delete process to remain open is just another editor that in the past behaved in a rude way and did not have their way with me. They jumped as soon as they see another chance. The one that blocked me is doing it because up until today i was ignoring them. Then today they took the chance to challenge me on an AfD and I did not want for them to have their way. When I said I was tired they came to my page and put a rude message again. I was tired I had already said it. Despite that I corrected what they asked in a rude way. I commented it was not nice to beat a dead dog and they blocked me. If this is the attitude you are encouraging on Wikipedia it's not a place I want to help improve. There are plenty of editors that are happy now. It's strange how the name of those who put AfD on my page, removed content without notifying, deleted images correctly uploaded in wikimedia, were always the same... and if you go to boards these are also the users who receive most complaints but those daring to make the complaints are shut off by always the same gang of friends. If someone really start to take notice it's a scaring scenario the one that is unfolding. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Umm... I think that deleting anything is unfortunate, and ideally we'd never have to do it all. Any time it happens it's wasting people's time to waste people's efforts. As far as the editor on commons, I can say with good confidence that I've worked with them for a pretty long while. They've uploaded easily hundreds of thousands if not millions of images (I can't tell because they've uploaded so much it breaks the tool you use to measure how much someone has uploaded) and they've easily had hundreds if not thousands of those deleted. You're a little bit like the Wikipedia version of what they are on commons, just a super prolific contributor of the kind we don't often see.
- So for example you've created 707 articles, and 20 of them, or 2.8% have been deleted. In comparison, I've created 80 articles, and five of them, or 6.2% of them have been deleted. So you're actually doing twice as well as I am as far as percentage goes. And... it's just kindof the format that in an open community, some people will agree with you, and some people won't and the really important thing is that we leave the project better off tonight than we found it this morning. If someone is rude, the appropriate response is to say "Stop being rude and I will have a discussion with you," or to ping one of the many friends you've made here to try to mediate the dispute and cool things down. But the community is also fundamentally based on communication, and shutting off communication all together doesn't really help to resolve your differences. GMGtalk 23:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, sorry but I do not accept this kind reproach. Go back to my page history and you will see how many times I tried to be polite with this user to no effect. There is even one time that they were "forced" to say sorry ( how much did it cost them I cannot imagine ) since in their haste to prove I was doing wrong they deleted a reliable source I found and replaced the one they were contesting. Even today to their rude comment and on my already admitted bad status I nevertheless addressed what they were asking. I complained yes Im human. And they blockex me. Who is that is shutting down? Or you are referring to the fact Im not trying to contest the block? Yes Im talking to you but no I do not want to come back. Tonight I opened my own wiki. I will create my little world. Alone. Happy. The bad apples can have their toy back. They can play with it until they will break it. Good luck in preventing it. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Then I don't really know what to say, Elisa. I guess... thanks for writing hopefully a few articles that my daughter will one day read. GMGtalk 00:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo for you to use as you wish [31] maybe to save the pages someone is deleting without reason for copyright infringement from the Oasis/harward DB. A CC0 is quite clear according to me. And in this page is clearly stated the bio notes are under CC0 if the source is stated. As for the page deleted for using this pdf [32] you can clearly see there is no copyright on it and the website hosting the document in terms&conditions says they do not own the copyright of yhe material uploaded and each document has to state the copyright... again use the info az you wish. Btw in that page the part related to the house was limited thefefore I can hardly imagine the copyright infringement ( not existing in any case ) was so huge to justify the deletion of the page. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:54, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- Then I don't really know what to say, Elisa. I guess... thanks for writing hopefully a few articles that my daughter will one day read. GMGtalk 00:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, sorry but I do not accept this kind reproach. Go back to my page history and you will see how many times I tried to be polite with this user to no effect. There is even one time that they were "forced" to say sorry ( how much did it cost them I cannot imagine ) since in their haste to prove I was doing wrong they deleted a reliable source I found and replaced the one they were contesting. Even today to their rude comment and on my already admitted bad status I nevertheless addressed what they were asking. I complained yes Im human. And they blockex me. Who is that is shutting down? Or you are referring to the fact Im not trying to contest the block? Yes Im talking to you but no I do not want to come back. Tonight I opened my own wiki. I will create my little world. Alone. Happy. The bad apples can have their toy back. They can play with it until they will break it. Good luck in preventing it. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- SusunW, Rosiestep they deleted some women (and men) pages for the use of biographical notes from OAC Database and OASIS DB. For OAC, with a simple click on the rights statement link from the provided source you lands on this page [33] stating the material on the database is publicly available. Only the material on the collections/papers may need authorization from the institution preserving the papers. And for those deleted for using the OASIS DB: http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/home?_collection=oasis#copyright, and then http://library.harvard.edu/open-metadata, "CC0 is a public domain designation developed by the Creative Commons for use when a person wants to relinquish all copyright and related rights the person has in a work. More information about CC0 1.0 is available at http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/. With the CC0 public domain designation, Harvard waives any copyright and related rights it holds in the metadata. We believe that this will help foster wide use and yield developments that will benefit the library community and the public." Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- So yeah. This is exactly the kind of thing we're looking for, an explicit licence declaration. But you may have to idiot proof this for me a little bit. Which article content was drawn from the Harvard bibliographic dataset? GMGtalk 23:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, From the Harvard DB: (Deletion log); 10:57 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Frieda S. Miller (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~sch00235)
- From the Harvard DB: (Deletion log); 10:59 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Lura Beam (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~sch00218)
- From the OAC DB [34]: "The contents of the OAC database-which includes collection guides and additionally digital content including images, text, and audio and video recordings-are made publicly available by the collection-holding repositories for use in research, teaching, and private study." My comment: biographical notes, probably PD, if there was an issue with it, ask for a rephrase, do not delete the page.
- (Deletion log); 13:39 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Frances Theresa Peet Russell (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt1d5nf1j5/)
- (Deletion log); 13:37 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Frank B. Russell (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt1d5nf1j5/)
- From LakeCountyOhio No Indication of copyright on the Document [35] and on the hosting website [36] "Materials uploaded to a Communication Service may be subject to posted limitations on usage, reproduction and/or dissemination. You are responsible for adhering to such limitations if you download the materials." My comment: historical notes on a building in the NHRS, probably PD, if there was an issue with it, ask for a rephrase, do not delete the page.
- (Deletion log); 10:52 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Leonard C. Hanna Jr. (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: No indication that http://www.lakecountyohio.gov/Portals/32/HistoryKH.pdf is in the PD) Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, considering someone is still trying to contest the clear CC0 policy of Harvard DB, see the FAQ just above "Q1: Why is Harvard University making its library catalog metadata publicly available?
- A: Open access to data and metadata are cornerstone values of the Harvard Library. From the Open Collections Program to harvestable metadata from DASH (Harvard’s open access scholarly repository) and a range of digital collections, Harvard libraries have long been working to open collections and metadata for public use and reuse. With growing interest in and benefits from integrating library information into the web, the time seems right to support innovation in this space with as much metadata as we can. Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- metadata, aka the stuff that catalogs the entries, not the biographical stuff themselves. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:48, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- open collections AND metadata for public use and reuse the AND in capital letter is mine, the text of the FAQ is at the link above. Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm... not so sure it's that clear cut. First off, the copyright notice on the entry isn't incompatible with being under a CC0 (at least that's what's been drilled into me on Commons), since if they didn't own the copyright, they couldn't license it as CC0 in the first place. As to their description, they say
this set of bibliographic records and the metadata contained therein (together, the “Metadata”)
, which is about as intuitively understandable as sayingthis ball and this cat (collectively known as cat)
. I'll try to find an email address to see if one of their archivists can clarify whether this covers the text of the biographical note or not. - As to OAC, this bit is the deal breaker for Wikipedia
for use in research, teaching, and private study
. That's not compatible withshare or remix for any purpose, even commercially
which is what WP:CC BY-SA says. I realize that if you don't have a lot of work with copyright, that seems bonkers on its face. Yes, we are using it here for an educational purpose, but when we publish it we're licensing it for any purpose and not just the three they specify. So we're violating the terms they've published the material under via our license, even though we're not violating it in the way we as a community are using it when we push the save button. We can still use the information there to write articles with; we just can't copy the original creative presentation of that information, which is what they "own". - Regarding LakeCountyOhio, it's a pretty common misconception that the little copyright notice at the bottom is what makes a work copyrighted. But the way the law works, any sufficiently original work is "existentially copyrighted" (because legal magic) the moment it's created, and this applies even if the creator doesn't even know copyright exists. For example, I've literally nominated and had deleted pictures of children's drawings on Commons, because legally the copyright for that macaroni picture belongs to the child (or I suppose guardian) and they would have to license it appropriately for us to make a faithful reproduction of it. Someone who takes that image off Commons, and uses it in their book could still get surprised by a cease and desist letter or a big fat law suit. There is, as far as I'm aware, only one instance where "probably PD" is an acceptable rationale, and those are instances where the work is old enough, that basically even if the author had created it as a child, they would have had to live longer than the oldest living person for them not to have died more than 70 years ago. So we're getting back into content published in and around the 19th century.
- So the first instance I will try to investigate further. Full disclosure, I'm going out of town tonight and will be mostly unavailable for the next couple of weeks. But again, the article isn't "gone"; it's just hidden, and we can surely have it restored once we can verify the license. In the second and third, I'm afraid they don't in fact appear to be compatible. That will certainly change over time (although we won't be around to see it), and may change sooner if they decide to license the content differently, but for now I does not appear useable for Wikipedia.
- I know copyright is confusing. Personally, I absolutely hate dealing with it, because it can be ridiculously and outright counter-intuitive, and it only gets worse (try sorting out an image taken from a person from Guadeloupe, who's technically a French citizen, but first published in India, but before Indian independence, so technically published in the British Empire, that also has to be public domain in the US, because that's where our servers are located). That's why personally I never ever directly copy and paste from anything, even sources that are a hundred or more years old, because it's often just not worth the headache. It's too easy to 100% summarize everything in your own words, even if it takes a little longer, because it can help avoid big blow ups like this. I wish we had had this conversation a month ago, and I could have told you that back then. GMGtalk 12:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, as I said, use it as you wish, to save or not the pages. For point 2 and 3, I still think that, being Bio Notes, a rephrasing would prevent the deletion. Same for the Mary Yost article using bio notes from a 1954 Obituary from a Stanford University Magazine: I can hardly imagine how much of copyright infringiment I may have put in that article, considering it was about Born Here, Died There, Covered this and that position at University. The decision to delete the page instead of just probably changing one or two words as you did for Hugh Wade, is a loss for the Encyclopedia. But really do as you wish. Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo adding to your workload, sorry for that: (Deletion log); 12:18 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Edith G. Stedman (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~sch00923) Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- I'll certainly try to sort it out as best I can. But... I guess the core issue is that we really can't deal in the grey area of "how much of copyright infringiment". We really have to deal in the area of "absolutely beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt public domain". I mean, in the case of the children's drawing I referenced above, it seems really silly, nit picky, and harmless... that is until someone uses it for the cover of their surprise best selling book, and the parent of that child sees dollar signs in their eyes. There, we're only a few steps away from the front page of the New York Times, about how Wikipedia got the author dragged into court, and we've managed to permanently and publicly damage the reputation of the project forever.
- I mean, what I'm trying to say is that even though not everyone did the best job here of effectively communicating, and may have come off very much as being against you personally, it's really just an example of poor communication, and I'm sure if you decide to return eventually, we can hopefully make peace with it, but only if you can get the idea of why things like this are super serious with potentially horrible repercussions that we just can't play fast and loose with. When in doubt, ask for help first, and publish the article second. It really won't hurt the project if we write an article next Tuesday instead of today, and it's certainly not worth losing a contributor over. GMGtalk 13:22, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, In this moment, I'm really just trying to help people in the future, and not to loose important article to the Encyclopedia when there is no need. I do not want to come back. This is the second time this particular user decided to take an unpolite position towards me. First it was on the DYK, and I decided to let it go. Now they decided to make it complete. I accept that not as a loss for me. I'm happy with the decision I took to build my own wiki. I'm working on that. You said you wanted to investigate the Harvard CC0 but you did not have time today. The reply from the user was to delete another article using the Harvard DB. This is just proving you and me who is having a not collaborative approach. And if I remember well, one of the principle of Wikipedia is that this is a collaborative project. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- I won't say things couldn't have been handled better. In fact I think I've said that pretty unequivocally in at least a few ways. I will look into the Harvard issue. It would not only help save these several articles, but would be a valuable resource for many future articles if we can establish that it is available for us to use going forward. I understand that you feel ganged up on, and nobody wants to hang around in a place that makes them feel like that. In a purely technical policy way, it is the correct decision to delete them (as I've said, hide them from public view) until we can sort out whether they're alright for us to use, if only because they can be just as easily restored.
- I don't think there's very many people on the project who haven't felt ganged up on at some point over some particular issue, and probably not too many people who haven't made someone else feel ganged up on, whether they mean well or not. What's more important, at least to me personally, is that learning to deal with that means that at some point in the future, some little boy in Bangladesh is going to be using what we've built to learn more about the world, and at the exact same time my daughter is doing the exact same thing half way across the world. GMGtalk 14:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GMG, Then if you manage to investigate about the Harvard DB and receive a positive reply, you will have another source for possible articles (do not forget the SNAC cooperative website too). My "sacrifice" as contributor of Wikipedia will at least have a favorite outcome to future editors. As for me, the little boy in Bangladesh and your daughter can read my contributions on my wiki. Sorry but I cannot continue to be treated in this way, and you publicly trying to contain this editor (thank you for deleting yet another unwelcomed message) or others (please notice the plural) writing privately complaining about this same editor, but basically telling me, there is nothing we can do now, maybe in the future... that future, for me, it's too far away. I really do not need this stress, I have a stressful job in day life, and the day this was happening I delt with an issue in a mind state that was not good, and the consequence was that another person was hurt. Sorry, this cannot happen anymore. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, In this moment, I'm really just trying to help people in the future, and not to loose important article to the Encyclopedia when there is no need. I do not want to come back. This is the second time this particular user decided to take an unpolite position towards me. First it was on the DYK, and I decided to let it go. Now they decided to make it complete. I accept that not as a loss for me. I'm happy with the decision I took to build my own wiki. I'm working on that. You said you wanted to investigate the Harvard CC0 but you did not have time today. The reply from the user was to delete another article using the Harvard DB. This is just proving you and me who is having a not collaborative approach. And if I remember well, one of the principle of Wikipedia is that this is a collaborative project. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo adding to your workload, sorry for that: (Deletion log); 12:18 . . Fram (talk | contribs) deleted page Edith G. Stedman (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~sch00923) Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo, as I said, use it as you wish, to save or not the pages. For point 2 and 3, I still think that, being Bio Notes, a rephrasing would prevent the deletion. Same for the Mary Yost article using bio notes from a 1954 Obituary from a Stanford University Magazine: I can hardly imagine how much of copyright infringiment I may have put in that article, considering it was about Born Here, Died There, Covered this and that position at University. The decision to delete the page instead of just probably changing one or two words as you did for Hugh Wade, is a loss for the Encyclopedia. But really do as you wish. Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- metadata, aka the stuff that catalogs the entries, not the biographical stuff themselves. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:48, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- So yeah. This is exactly the kind of thing we're looking for, an explicit licence declaration. But you may have to idiot proof this for me a little bit. Which article content was drawn from the Harvard bibliographic dataset? GMGtalk 23:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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Ritchie333, I'm not sure if the ping was for a reply or not, sorry, I'm blocked and I can only post here. What I can say is that, it would be important to at least mention her friendship with Brian Howard (poet), she was staunch in defending him, and deeply offended when they publish Portrait of a Failure, since according to her, Howard was not a failure. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- of course, Ritchie333, thank you for restoring her. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Elisa, I didn't know you were still around. I see you've been to Brighton which I like visiting a lot. Basically I got told about some articles you wrote that were subsequently deleted, and decided that since these all appeared to be legitimate topics for the encyclopedia, I would try my hand at writing one - I just wanted to give credit where credit is due. I've dropped a mention of Brian Howard - for the other stuff, is "Portrait of a Failure" Marie-Jaqueline Lancaster's book? Sorry, this isn't my area of expertise. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ritchie333, yes, "Portrait of a Failure" is Marie-Jaqueline Lancaster's book. She interviewed many of Howard's friends, Harper the main among them, and then wrote the biography. When she choose to title it "Portrait of a Failure", Harper got upset. Howard could have been a talented poet, but he was not really stable, and being homosexual, he lived most of his life abroad. He seemed to have found a stability with his partner Sam Langford, but this last died by accident, and Howard committed suicide few days later. Harper also did not like that Lancaster spoke about Howard's homosexuality. It sort of derailed the importance of his poetry, and now Howard is remember as a failure and an homosexual, few remember him for his poetry.
- BTW I'm around since I'm checking my articles, even if I cannot do nothing if people change them. It's sort of a open wound that I haven't yet been able to close... Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:16, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- about Brighton... I contributed thousands of my pictures to Wikimedia, many are now used on articles, and many other from newspaper all over the world. Unfortunately I decided not to contribute anymore also on Wikimedia. Sort of trying for a clean cut if possible. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Ella Holmes White
GreenMeansGo, paul2520, can you revert this edit? [37] it's vandalism. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:56, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- Done. = paul2520 (talk) 22:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- paul2520, thank you. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Victuallers, SusunW, This article is about her being a bestseller in Japan [38], insterad this article: [39] is about her book that was published by Feltrinelli, one of the most important Italian publishers. She has a Music academy: [40]. Hope it helps, I can dig more if necessary. Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
- Truth be told? I do not think she is really worthy of a Wiki article... I think the Italian one is probably self-promotion, and she appears to be really good in spreading her name on the internet... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
GreenMeansGo, paul2520, can you update this page? Field's partner, Neil Derrick, passed away this January, and now Field is living at the Westbeth Artists Housing: [41]. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:30, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
paul2520, Victuallers, Ritchie333, there are some mistake in this article: Monroe Wheeler "For over ten years, photographer George Platt Lynes had a relationship with Wheeler and then Glenway Wescott.[3]" I know that people do not like to talk about this, but this was a polyamory relationship. Wheeler and Wescott have always been together, but at one point Lynes started a relationship with Wheeler, and Wescott included Lynes in their couple. It was a menages a trois and it's also document in a book, "When we were three" [42]. It's really wrong to say that Lynes has a relationship with Wheeler and then with Wescott, it seems that Lynes first was with Wheeler and then left Wheeler for Wescott. And then this trivia mistake "In 1987, Glen Wescott died of a stroke at his home and her was buried at Haymeadows." the correct sentence is: "In 1987, Glen Wescott died of a stroke at his home and his ashes were buried at Haymeadows." Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- You know, it'd be really easy to say something unequivocal to the effect of
I will be more careful going forward. I won't copy directly from anything, even if I suspect it may be in the public domain. I'll make sure to avoid close paraphrasing. If I have questions, I'll reach out to someone who halfway gets copyright about half the time like GMG over there. I'm happy to help clean up any problematic articles, especially to preserve them.
Even if you don't agree that the block was justified, and feel like things could have been handled better, and even if you don't want to come back to intense writing right now, or ever. It would at least allow you to check in from time to time, and even go through some of your previous articles to make sure there's absolutely positively no even partly legitimate rationale anyone could ever use for deleting them on copyright grounds. GMGtalk 12:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've fixed the sentence at the end of the article - the NYT Obituary for Glen Wescott doesn't mention where he was buried (presumably as his funeral had not taken place at the time of publication) so I've left that out for the minute, and added a NYT source that verifies Wheeler's own death. I'm a little more uncomfortable about the "menage a trois" simply because controversial claims that like need really high quality sources. For example, it has been suggested that Graham Chapman, David Sherlock and John Tomiczek had such a relationship, but the official line is that Chapman and Sherlock were the couple and Tomiczek was their adopted son.
- Victuallers, Ritchie333, removing the "then" is enough ;-) just want that a wrong info is not passed. As for the ashes, Quote "...Wescott's and Wheeler's ashes to the small farmers' graveyard, hidden behind a rock wall and trees at Haymeadows. [...] Today the hidden graveyard at Haymeadows has a large marble marker, listing the remains of Bruce and Josephine Wescott, Lloyd and Barbara, Beulah, Elizabeth, Glenway, and Monroe." [43], Glenway Wescott Personally: A Biography, By Jerry Rosco. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've fixed the sentence at the end of the article - the NYT Obituary for Glen Wescott doesn't mention where he was buried (presumably as his funeral had not taken place at the time of publication) so I've left that out for the minute, and added a NYT source that verifies Wheeler's own death. I'm a little more uncomfortable about the "menage a trois" simply because controversial claims that like need really high quality sources. For example, it has been suggested that Graham Chapman, David Sherlock and John Tomiczek had such a relationship, but the official line is that Chapman and Sherlock were the couple and Tomiczek was their adopted son.
- In terms of an unblock, I've written an essay User:Ritchie333/Plain and simple guide to copyvios as you are far from the first person who has found our copyright policies confusing and counter-intuitive. Have a read through that and see if that makes sense. If so, you can follow GMG's advice above for an unblock request; I would also recommend at the same time that the request is posted that somebody puts a related post on administrators' noticeboard so there is a sufficient understanding amongst the community as to why the unblock is a good idea. I'm probably not the best person to write such a post now, perhaps GMG could do it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ritchie333, GreenMeansGo, let me think about it. It's not that I'm not willing to admit I made mystake regarding the copyvio, I did, and I can admit it. It's just I feel not comfortable now coming back. If it's not much trouble I would prefer to ask for help when I see something that is wrong, like for the Wheeler's article, if someone can help with that. Let me think about it, maybe soon? Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've not dealt with unblocks nearly as much as Ritchie has, but I'm fine with the whole idea. The thing is, I think you deeply want to not care about it, but I also think you've caught the bug, that dirty nasty bug where you actually care deeply about whether the general public for the next hundred years has access to free knowledge of the type they might not have access to if you or I decided to suddenly take up table tennis or video games instead of trying to build a better encyclopedia. It's the worst kindof bug there is, and it's hard to shake, but it really does make a difference, and so it's the best kindof bug to get. GMGtalk 22:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- The problem with Wiki being such a democratic organisation is that when the organisation messes up there is no one person who can say sorry. Its good that you are assisting Elise, but its a pity that she has to assume not only her own mistakes but also the shared guilt. I'm sorry about that. I hope she will accept. Victuallers (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've not dealt with unblocks nearly as much as Ritchie has, but I'm fine with the whole idea. The thing is, I think you deeply want to not care about it, but I also think you've caught the bug, that dirty nasty bug where you actually care deeply about whether the general public for the next hundred years has access to free knowledge of the type they might not have access to if you or I decided to suddenly take up table tennis or video games instead of trying to build a better encyclopedia. It's the worst kindof bug there is, and it's hard to shake, but it really does make a difference, and so it's the best kindof bug to get. GMGtalk 22:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ritchie333, GreenMeansGo, let me think about it. It's not that I'm not willing to admit I made mystake regarding the copyvio, I did, and I can admit it. It's just I feel not comfortable now coming back. If it's not much trouble I would prefer to ask for help when I see something that is wrong, like for the Wheeler's article, if someone can help with that. Let me think about it, maybe soon? Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- In terms of an unblock, I've written an essay User:Ritchie333/Plain and simple guide to copyvios as you are far from the first person who has found our copyright policies confusing and counter-intuitive. Have a read through that and see if that makes sense. If so, you can follow GMG's advice above for an unblock request; I would also recommend at the same time that the request is posted that somebody puts a related post on administrators' noticeboard so there is a sufficient understanding amongst the community as to why the unblock is a good idea. I'm probably not the best person to write such a post now, perhaps GMG could do it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Unblock
Elisa.rolle (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I will be more careful going forward. I won't copy directly from anything, even if I suspect it may be in the public domain. I'll make sure to avoid close paraphrasing. If I have questions, I'll reach out to someone who halfway gets copyright like Victuallers, Ritchie333, or GreenMeansGo. I'm happy to help clean up any problematic articles, especially to preserve them. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Accept reason:
Per conversation below. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Can you explain, in your own words, your understanding of why you were blocked? Can you also explain, in your own words, your understanding of our copyright policy and the requirements it puts on editors? How will you move forward in addressing the previous concerns that have been raised about your actions and copyright in light of your understanding of our policies on copyright? In order to unblock, we need to be reasonably certain that you will not continue to violate copyright. Pinging Fram so he is aware of this request. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Also, to Ritchie's idea above, I actually think copying this to AN would be a bad idea that would only make the unblock conversation more difficult to have. All we're looking for to unblock here is reasonable assurances that the issues won't continue. Raising it at AN is likely to increase the stress for Elisa but also raise the drama levels for what should be a conversation on how to move forward. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Minor point of order on the concern was never (or, to be clear, should never have been) about "violate copyright" (Elisa.rolle is an established author; sometimes I feel the way we phrase sentences on Wikipedia can be personal as to challenge the integrity of a person), but as Ritchie333 points out, about violating our copyright policies. When an editor is creating articles at a rapid pace, there is bound to be problems in some of these creations (like the recent discussion about Dr. Blofeld's early creations). For this unblock, I think a simple statement and assurance to address some of the recent concerns (close paraphrasing, double-checking fair use tags, more careful examination of sources, and probably slight adjustment to communicative style here) would do; I agree it is unnecessary to copy this to AN. Alex Shih (talk) 06:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- The reason I’d prefer she explain things herself before considering an unblock is that she litterally copied GMG’s suggested unblock request verbatim with the only change being that she added two additional usernames. That doesn’t demonstrate that Elisa understands the issues here. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- First of all, I'm Italian, mother toungue and selftaught in English, and considering there was also an issue of communication, especially in mine perceiving written words in a certain way, if an user I trust provide me a neautral explanation, I see it as a way to help which I accept. So if we want to be truth, my own words would be Italian, and therefore what you have is a translation, that can, sometime, not convey the same message.
- > Can you explain, in your own words, your understanding of why you were blocked? Can you also explain, in your own words, your understanding of our copyright policy and the requirements it puts on editors? How will you move forward in addressing the previous concerns that have been raised about your actions and copyright in light of your understanding of our policies on copyright?
- Copyvio issue, I identify three patterns and actions: 1) using verbatim of two books, tagged as Not in Copyright in Archive.com, but I should have contested the accuracy of the website, since one book is 1933 and another 1989, therefore too recent for being not in copyright. Even if the book is in PD, it's better to rewrite it. 2) using verbatim of biographical notes from Papers. Sentences like Open Access, Free to use, are not synonimous of Public Domain, unless there is a CC0 licence on the same very page. Even if the licence is there, it's better to rewrite it. 3) using of other wikis (Germany and Spain) or other pages on English Wikipedia, but not using the right template (for this last point, I need to research to understand which is the right template) Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I have been looking at Elisa Rolle's deleted articles and the copyright violations appear to be (mainly) a misunderstanding over archive.com and very minor infringements that IMO just needed correcting. I have had several emails from her and seen several more where she has identified herself where she sees that there are errors (or even just areas that could be improved). Wikipedia has not always supported her efforts as much as it should. I am confident that Elisa will continue to make a positive contribution and she will be wary to spot a claim of PD by an important US web site and too close paraphrasing. Victuallers (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- The reason I’d prefer she explain things herself before considering an unblock is that she litterally copied GMG’s suggested unblock request verbatim with the only change being that she added two additional usernames. That doesn’t demonstrate that Elisa understands the issues here. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Minor point of order on the concern was never (or, to be clear, should never have been) about "violate copyright" (Elisa.rolle is an established author; sometimes I feel the way we phrase sentences on Wikipedia can be personal as to challenge the integrity of a person), but as Ritchie333 points out, about violating our copyright policies. When an editor is creating articles at a rapid pace, there is bound to be problems in some of these creations (like the recent discussion about Dr. Blofeld's early creations). For this unblock, I think a simple statement and assurance to address some of the recent concerns (close paraphrasing, double-checking fair use tags, more careful examination of sources, and probably slight adjustment to communicative style here) would do; I agree it is unnecessary to copy this to AN. Alex Shih (talk) 06:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the replies: I appreciate it. My only concern is that I don’t think you understand the concept of a compatible license still and when attribution is necessary. That being said: most Wikipedians probably don’t understand that, so it’s not an issue in itself unless you plan on copying text. I’d feel much more comfortable unblocking if you just generally agreed to not directly copy text from anywhere but a Wikimedia Foundation wiki as a general rule, even if you think it’s okay, and recognize that any future copyright violations by you would result in another indefinite block. If you’d agree to this as a general rule that you would follow (not a formal unblock condition), I’d likely support an unblock because you seem to understand the reasoning behind your block. I’m putting this request on hold for now so Fram can comment, but please let me know what you think about what I’m saying. TonyBallioni (talk) 10:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, in both my "actions", 1 and 2, I stated that, EVEN IF the source is clearly in PD or with a CC0 licence, it's better to rewrite it. So yes, I fully agree on the NOT "copy and paste" approach, that is my idea to apply in any case, allowed or not allowed. Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- (ec)While I have the impression that both Elisa Rolle and Victuallers severely underestimate the scope of the problems (Victuallers, copying copyrighted text wholesale across many articles is not really "very minor infringements"), I can hardly blame Elisa for comments made by Victuallers. In general, I tend to let other admins judge the unblock requests for blocks I made, and if you believe that an unblock request is sufficient and there is a fair chance that the problems won't be repeated, then I have no reason to go against this. Just make sure that she understands that after two indef blocks for copyvio problems, there probably won't be a third unblock if there are again new copyright violations after the unblock (old violations which are only found after the unblock obviously don't count as new problems). Fram (talk) 10:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Elisa, thanks for your response. I’m satisfied by it. If you could just respond to Fram’s point acknowledging that you understand that this really is a last chance unblock, I’ll go ahead and unblock you. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Quick tip - edit Special:MyPage/common.js and add this line :
importScript("User:The Earwig/copyvios.js");
. When you're viewing an article, you will see a link under "tools" called "Copyvio check". Click on it and the tool will give you a quick heuristic as to whether the article might be worthy of being revision deleted or speedy deleted via G12. It's more geared towards admins and new page patrollers checking for copyvios, but it's still worth knowing about. I appreciate that English is not your first language and since my Italian extends little further than "uno gelate per favore", I applaud anyone capable of learning a foreign language well enough to be understood without difficulty by native speakers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC) - Fram, it's my idea to correct all past violations if I found them or I'm notified, and as I said, it's my idea not to "copy and paste" from sources in the future, even if they are in PD or CC0; therefore if I do not find a PAST violation, and I'm notified and allowed to correct it, and this does not count as new problems ("old violations which are only found after the unblock obviously don't count as new problems"), I understand than this is the last chance unblock. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I’ll go ahead and unblock now. Since I mentioned copying within Wikipedia, I just want to make sure you know to use edit summary attribution on the off chance you do (ex.
Text copied from [[Article]], see that page for attribution.
should be an edit summary if you copy within articles.) not sure if you plan on doing it, but I wanted it to be clear if it did come up. Anyway, unblocking now. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Quick tip - edit Special:MyPage/common.js and add this line :
- Elisa, thanks for your response. I’m satisfied by it. If you could just respond to Fram’s point acknowledging that you understand that this really is a last chance unblock, I’ll go ahead and unblock you. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)