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:AFD is a discussion. Articles that look like they probably don't belong but the nominator is unsure can certainly be listed for discussion. You voted to keep it, and gave a pretty unsound reason for doing so, and then claimed that the nominator would have known that the article should be kept if he/she looked at it at all and Googled it. You should have learned that !) nomination is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, as it leads to discussion, and 2) some better idea of what are reasons for having articles are. It is my contention that the nominator looked as hard as he or she needed to for nomination, and that the additional looking you suggested he do first should lead to the same conclusion that he already had: that the article probably needs to be deleted. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] ([[User talk:DreamGuy#top|talk]]) 17:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
:AFD is a discussion. Articles that look like they probably don't belong but the nominator is unsure can certainly be listed for discussion. You voted to keep it, and gave a pretty unsound reason for doing so, and then claimed that the nominator would have known that the article should be kept if he/she looked at it at all and Googled it. You should have learned that !) nomination is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, as it leads to discussion, and 2) some better idea of what are reasons for having articles are. It is my contention that the nominator looked as hard as he or she needed to for nomination, and that the additional looking you suggested he do first should lead to the same conclusion that he already had: that the article probably needs to be deleted. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] ([[User talk:DreamGuy#top|talk]]) 17:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:A NYT obituary is 'an unsound reason for doing so'? I know the reasons for keeping articles; I spend enough time around CSD and AfD to be aware of them. A NYT obit and an entry in the Dictionary of American Biography are both reliable, independent sources, and I'd argue that even on its own a DAB entry would make a person notable. I'd suggest that if you think that 'the article probably needs to be deleted' after this it is you who needs to look more closely at [[WP:NOTABILITY]] and the surrounding policies. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 20:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
:A NYT obituary is 'an unsound reason for doing so'? I know the reasons for keeping articles; I spend enough time around CSD and AfD to be aware of them. A NYT obit and an entry in the Dictionary of American Biography are both reliable, independent sources, and I'd argue that even on its own a DAB entry would make a person notable. I'd suggest that if you think that 'the article probably needs to be deleted' after this it is you who needs to look more closely at [[WP:NOTABILITY]] and the surrounding policies. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 20:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::A NYT obituary is a reliable source that someone died, but it is NOT *ANY* sort of proof that someone is notable enough for a Wikipedia article... and ESPECIALLY not a NYT obit from more than a century ago. The DAB is also full of countless people who someone a long time back might have thought were notable but means nothing to anyone today. And you really need to stop acting like you can lecture people, because you are clearly at odds with our policies here. Just as I said at the start, you could learn a lot from the nominator who listed it in the first place... too bad you refuse to. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] ([[User talk:DreamGuy#top|talk]]) 14:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Ellen Page source == |
== Ellen Page source == |
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More help?
Once again, I call upon your services as a hardcore rationality warrior. Joan Marie Whelan is full of... shall we say, unsubstantiated claims. Care to take a look? DS (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- I tried to fix a little, but it needed more than what I could really do... but I did see that it was a recreation of an article deleted in October for being spamvertising of someone who fails WP:BIO and has no reliable sources for notability, so I tagged as a speedy delete. DreamGuy (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
On The Right Track
Wikipedia has been littered with a lot of egotistical, trivial junk in the chess variants area that is generally not realized to be junk by outsiders to our hobby.
Although I like Christian Freeling, he is just an inventor of a couple of known games but not a notable person who has accomplished great things of encyclopediac importance. So, the deletion you proposed recently was an appropriate, measured response. Besides, this was just a stub that hardly any editors had worked on.
What you may not yet realize is that a full article exists that several editors have worked on for Ed Trice. Unfortunately, he is no more notable than Christian Freeling. In my objective, informed opinion, he is just an unethical egomaniac who has worked very hard at misleading a number of well-intentioned editors into believing that he is a giant in the chess variant community. Take a few moments to check-out the disruptive, fictitious edit history of this page and it will verify my assertion. Perhaps, you should also propose its deletion?
--BenWillard —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC).
- Well, the claim that he assisted in solving checkers was overstated in my opinion -- as no news article mentioned him, and the person who did solve it listed him as one of many, many people who provided some help, with his name being only among the database people and not noteworthy over all those other people -- and so I removed it. Otherwise I'm not really in a position to know whether the claims to notability are accurate or not. I'm not familiar with the chess sources quoted, how he compares to other chess players, and so forth. Some of the article does sound pretty trivial and thus not encyclopedic, but I don't have the background knowledge to know for sure. I sympathize with you in that the situation you describe is something I see in many articles, and could very well be the case here, but I'm not the best person to help you out in sorting it out. DreamGuy (talk) 20:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Final Destination Pages
Thank you for cleaning these pages up. I've been trying to do so over the last few months and it's extremely difficult to do so when you're the only one that seems to be doing it and every edit gets questioned. Hopefully having a second opinion from a well-established user cleaning it up will help keep the fans at bay. Thanks again! --132 18:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- Also, if you wouldn't mind it'd be cool if you could take a look at Final Destination 2 and Final Destination (series). They don't get hit as much as the first and third films, but they could both use some cleanup. Thanks! --132 18:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
vampire too
- i had my doubts too Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Grand chess references
I observe that you're not satisfied with the references we have for Grand chess, and you seem to feel these references are not notable enough. These are basically all of the references out there for Grand chess, and if they're not good enough, it's time to delete the article.
Whether something is notable or not notable enough for the Wikipedia is a very subjective judgment and one that results in countless arguments. I feel that the references we have for Grand chess and the information and size of the article makes a nice little overview of one of the most popular chess variants out there. If this isn't notable enough for the Wiki, we're going to have to remove a lot of articles about chess variants here.
On a related subject, I feel that the Gothic chess article is probably too long, and that the Ed Trice article should be deleted (Mr. Trice is simply not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article). Just to clarify (talk) 16:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
27 Club
Greetings, DreamGuy. I've started a new discussion thread at Talk:27 Club#Musicians who died at 26 or 28. Feel free to join in. Note also that I modified your recent edit of the article with this edit and this one. (If you reply here I will see what you say, but it might be better to have any further discussion take place on the article's talk page. Thanks.) — Mudwater (Talk) 18:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Annie Chapman
Hi DG, I would like to take the opportunity to apologise to you over the recent Annie Chapman image dispute. I was acting in good faith and genuinely thought the image was copyright expired. I was wrong and you were right. I hope you will accept my apology in the spirit in which it is offered. Jack1956 (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. I appreciate the apology. I do hope that you will not try (or support anyone who tries) to upload it and put a "fair use" tag on it, as it clearly does not qualify for that either. Apparently some of the editors who expressed n early opinion and turned out to be proven wrong were upset about it and seem to want to find some excuse to have it up anyway. That would be an example of bad faith, unlike your earlier mistaken idea about its legal status. DreamGuy (talk) 22:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
List of serial killers by country expand list tag
Hello DreamGuy, I noticed the removal of the expand list tag from List of serial killers by country and wanted to drop you a note. I disagree with its removal. The tag is a good faith way of asking readers to help expand it, just like stub templates. It is the subject matter that invites persistent unconstructive edits and vandalism, not the expand list tag. Thanks, momoricks (make my day) 00:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
- Frankly, the tag is almost completely pointless anywhere, but it's actively damaging on any list which is already quite substantial. If we only had ten people listed there, sure, then we could maybe especially invite anyone who doesn't already know they can edit to edit. That would be a good comparison to a stub page. This article clearly has no reason to have that tag at the top. DreamGuy (talk) 00:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
- Good points. I won't reinstate the tag. I appreciate you help with maintaining that list. Regards, momoricks (make my day) 01:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Atheophobia listed at RfD
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Atheophobia. Since you had some involvement with the Atheophobia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Cunard (talk) 04:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Dorkins
I think you should strike out your last comment about hoping he finds another reason, etc. Not only has he voted to delete the redirect, his edit contribution shows he isn't a SPA. AGF, remember? Thanks. Have a good holiday season. 19:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)dougweller (talk)
- All of his edits up until yesterday, save one minor edit about some hip ailment, have been to use Wikipedia to try to advance the term "atheophobia". Check his history if you don't believe me. He also created the Wiktionary article on atheophobia, and he created User:Dorkins/atheophobia as his third edit, after announcing his arrival here on a newly created user page. That's certainly about as clear of a SPA as someone can have. If he has finally moved on to other contributions, good for him, but that doesn't suddenly erase a very solid set of edits with a clear agenda. DreamGuy (talk) 20:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Jesus Myth Hypothesis
After a period of long stagnation the Jesus Myth Hypothesis page is moving forward again but trying to get the Fischer quote in is proving to be a pain. Comments at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#When is a peer-reviewed Journal not considered reliable? are welcome.--BruceGrubb (talk) 07:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Re Li source discussion
Just posting this here, since it doesn't look like you always check the reliable sources noticeboard when you get on. Apologies if posting this here as well comes off as annoying, its not intended. Actually, since I posted my previous response, I had found a reliable source that states point blank these are not consoles here, The Mobile Revolution by Dr. Dan Steinbock, also a PHD and in the field of academia, but a well published author - 19 books to his credit according to Amazon and 4 in regards to portable devices. I went ahead and spent 6+ hours digging up resources for material and citations on the page. Kept the Li reference for the main console definition per your advice, and used the high score book's exact definition of handheld electronic games in the Origins section. (also per your advice of working in multiple references). If you can, take a look at Handheld game console and let me know what you think (preferably on that articles talk page). It only the article intro and the Origins section, I haven't touched the rest of the article yet (since it was these sections that all this was in regards to). --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've looked at the article now, but it's all a bit much to digest at once. I'll have to come back and taken another look later and see if I follow it any better. DreamGuy (talk) 00:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- No problem. As stated, the only sections related to all this are the intro and the Origins section. You can see the state before the rewrite here. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Nomination withdrawn
I replied at AN/I, and have deleted the withdrawn nom. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm currently trying to figure out how to report 152 links to a sit that it is primarily copyright violations. I'm not sure when I'll get that article relisted, but it's coming. (Oh, heck, and that reminds me, I had another article speedy deleted as a copyright violation and told the admin I'd recreate it as new with a total rewrite, but forgot to check on its status because I never got a message here about it... looks like I have a busy day ahead.) DreamGuy (talk) 16:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
review your comment?
your comment here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Black_Alchemist is a bit confusing,because you've conflated two names. You may wish to adjust that. ThuranX (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles C. Beaman
Hey, DG, when you get a chance look at the most recent post from Juzhong over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles C. Beaman. Is it persuasive? Unschool 03:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- Persuasive? Not even close. In fact if that's all that person can come up with it basically proves the person is horribly nonnotable by Wikipedia standards. DreamGuy (talk) 16:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Georgina Bruni
the source provided says no such thing from my searches for "Bruni" on the page in question... her book is cited, but nothing about working together'
Actually it's right there on the page, you didn't look down far enough. Your search is either defective or you didn't actually do it Artw (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- First off, no need to insinuate that I didn't do it. That's a violation of WP:CIVIL and close to violating WP:AGF and WP:NPA. And I just did it again, and I still don't see anything of the sort. If you want to put it back, quote the EXACT line that proves it, because we can't just take your word that it's in there when I've looked at it and can't find it. DreamGuy (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
30 Jan 2001 : Column WA49
Rendlesham Forest/RAF Bentwaters Incident
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they will detail the underground facilities at the former RAF Bentwaters installation; and what is the purpose of these facilities.[HL320]
The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean): There are no underground facilities at the former RAF Bentwaters.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any involvement in the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident by either Ministry of Defence Police or personnel from the Suffolk Constabulary.[HL321)
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: The Minister of Defence is not aware of any involvement by the Ministry of Defence Police in the alleged incident. The Ministry of Defence's knowledge of involvement by the Suffolk Police is limited to a letter dated 28 July 1999 from the Suffolk Constabulary to Georgina Bruni that is contained in the recent book.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any investigation of the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident carried out by the United States Air force, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations or any other United States agency.[HL322]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: The Ministry of Defence's knowledge of an investigation by the US authorities into the alleged incident in Rendlesham Forest in 1980 is limited to the information contained in the memorandum sent by Lt Col Halt USAF, Deputy Base Commander at RAF Woodbridge, to the RAF Liaison Officer at RAF Bentwaters on 13 January 1981.
My apologies if you searched, but I see no way you could have and not found that. Feel free to tweak the citation if you feel you can make it clearer waht the relevant portion of the page is.
Actually, as a minor technicality, it's not clear from this that he's attempting to get documents relesed, so I have tweaked the text accordingly. Artw (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- That's not a "minor technicality," that was the entire claim in the article that you so insisted that this document supported, when it CLEARLY doesn't. So your "no way you could have and not found that" is ridiculous because there was nothing to find. DreamGuy (talk)
Oh, and WP:UNCIVIL back to you oo - your attitude on alk pages and edit summaries laely has been appauling. Artw (talk) 00:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- So you just were forced to admit that you point was wrong, and your rude accusations made in bad faith were obviously wrong, and you are trying to pass your mistake off as a "minor technicality" to save face while still being condescending to me... and you claim *I* was uncivil?? Instead of being rude about it on top of it, you should be apologizing for your appalling behavior. If you are unwilling to do that, do not ever both to post to my talk page again, per the instructions at the top of this page. DreamGuy (talk) 01:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually rereading your edit comment (which, to make maetters worse, I quoted above) I see that you were not claiming you couldn't find anything at all, just that it didn't completely substantiate the claim. Apologies on that. Obviously things are getting a little over-heated. Artw (talk) 02:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
following
actually, I've been watching all current pseudoscience discussions, especially because of the recent rase of AfDs. . And since I look at as many IPC articles as I have time to, it's inevitable we will overlap. . You should be used to seeing me by now, DGG (talk) 04:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles C. Beaman
Just to clarify; my comment here was not intended to indicate I thought 'raising the question was a waste of everyone's time.' but rather that the nominator should have looked harder before bringing it to AfD. When your checking of an articles notability only extends to reading it (and not even looking at google) there is a problem; it is perhaps best to attempt basic research into the articles subject rather than bringing it to an AfD that is an exercise in futility. What exactly could I 'learn... from the person who nominated it'? Ironholds (talk) 11:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- AFD is a discussion. Articles that look like they probably don't belong but the nominator is unsure can certainly be listed for discussion. You voted to keep it, and gave a pretty unsound reason for doing so, and then claimed that the nominator would have known that the article should be kept if he/she looked at it at all and Googled it. You should have learned that !) nomination is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, as it leads to discussion, and 2) some better idea of what are reasons for having articles are. It is my contention that the nominator looked as hard as he or she needed to for nomination, and that the additional looking you suggested he do first should lead to the same conclusion that he already had: that the article probably needs to be deleted. DreamGuy (talk) 17:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- A NYT obituary is 'an unsound reason for doing so'? I know the reasons for keeping articles; I spend enough time around CSD and AfD to be aware of them. A NYT obit and an entry in the Dictionary of American Biography are both reliable, independent sources, and I'd argue that even on its own a DAB entry would make a person notable. I'd suggest that if you think that 'the article probably needs to be deleted' after this it is you who needs to look more closely at WP:NOTABILITY and the surrounding policies. Ironholds (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- A NYT obituary is a reliable source that someone died, but it is NOT *ANY* sort of proof that someone is notable enough for a Wikipedia article... and ESPECIALLY not a NYT obit from more than a century ago. The DAB is also full of countless people who someone a long time back might have thought were notable but means nothing to anyone today. And you really need to stop acting like you can lecture people, because you are clearly at odds with our policies here. Just as I said at the start, you could learn a lot from the nominator who listed it in the first place... too bad you refuse to. DreamGuy (talk) 14:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Ellen Page source
I'm curious -- did you listen to the audio clip at http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/12/audio-a-new-page-in-the-laurel-hester-story.html ? Gerardw (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Why would I? It's not an encyclopedic source. Podcasts from activists sites are not movie news sources. If there's a real source, cite that. DreamGuy (talk) 00:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Because the podcast had the director of the documentary Freeheld making the assertion. Do you think it's a fake? There's like 83,000 [Google hits] on Ellen Page Hester, so it's certainly being widely reported. Gerardw (talk) 01:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)