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Islam in Sweden
Doug_Weller The references there don't mention such information though also why is the information even included in there its not even realted to the topic in hand? bolanriver (talk) 9:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Lies
Hogg stated that he was at home at the time of the shooting. Lies are against the rules, which you should follow. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- @OMEGAUNIT: Then stop telling them. Hogg was at school, he went home after the shooting and later returned.[1] Some websites made the claim you're making but later retracted it.[2] Doug Weller talk 13:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
It wasnt a claim made by websites it's was on TV with him saying it. If you lived in the U.S. you would have seen that news broadcast. I am being honest it seems based off of your history you have a habit of stretching truth. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
You can go to YouTube and see him say it. youtu.be/2j7HeF16704 OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
So yeah I will trust what he said and not some news article. He wasn't at school that day. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- @OMEGAUNIT: He did not say he wasn't at the school. That's a 17 second excerpt from an interview without the proper context. RedState is a conservative news site and originally reported your claim. The author of the report, Sarah Rumpf, later got the entire newsclip and transcript and realised that CBS had left out the context, which is that he did this at 6pm, after school. See her original story (with strike-throughs)and [https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/28/mistake.-wrong.-im-sorry./ her apology. If you don't believe her statement that he was definitely at school, then nothing's going to convince you, even though the clip clearly does not have him saying he wasn't at school that day. I have no idea why you think it does. Please be sure you read all her tweets in the second link. Doug Weller talk 19:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Legobot (talk) 04:29, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
If you have something to say...
…say it --Koppadasao (talk) 10:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Talk pages aren't forums. Doug Weller talk 10:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- And you use the word "lynching" far too lightly. I still shudder at the real lynchings that occurred in the American South when I was young. Doug Weller talk 10:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Then you should check out the sources, Rebel Media. It is clearly indicated in their video report on the case that the word lynching is appropriate, especially when compared to previous videos about Tommy Robinson’s previous experiences with the UK prisons. --Koppadasao (talk) 10:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- And you use the word "lynching" far too lightly. I still shudder at the real lynchings that occurred in the American South when I was young. Doug Weller talk 10:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Rebel Media? I'd rather read the Onion, at least it's funny. Doug Weller talk 10:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- The Onion isn’t a reliable source. In fact it’s more of a fake news site than a real news site.--Koppadasao (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- You really missed my point? The main difference is that I can trust the Onion to be funny but not to pretend it's accurate. Doug Weller talk 11:48, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Please stop vandalizing my talk page
If you have something to say, then say it. If you want further discussion, please reply on my talk page. --Koppadasao (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Warning messages aren't vandalism. You probably want to read WP:VANDNOT (and the rest of the page too, for that matter). Your editing experience would go a lot better if you'd read the messages Doug is leaving, they are designed to keep you from being blocked. Ealdgyth - Talk 11:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Ealdgyth: see his edit summaries as he reverts me. Thay aren't going to help him. Doug Weller talk 12:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
daily mail
I'm not sure how you missed WP:DAILYMAIL but please don't use it as a source again. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- hi there - you are telling me not to use the daily mail as a source ever again - reading that link it doesn't support that position, there are apparently occasaions where is is ok to use - my link was not controversial in any way was it? the details are not in dispute, I don't understand your warning? Also, I added it, it was removed, I didnt edit war at all? Govindaharihari (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. Clearly stated in WP:DAILYMAIL. So, controversial or not, look for better sources. --regentspark (comment) 15:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't suggest you were edit-warring. It was meant to be more informational than warning. But of course now I hope you understand not to use it again. Doug Weller talk 15:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- It has me amused that the opener of that dailymail discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC is now a indefinitely blocked puppet master. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hillbillyholiday Govindaharihari (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Entirely irrelevant. In this case he was right, and of course he had only one vote. Doug Weller talk 18:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- I will happily disagree with you - the attack on the dailymil on wikipedia was reactionary and undue, we readily use much worse links imo - also, a sockmaster with only one vote, hmmm - no worries, the chat and outcome was one of wiki editors lower moments imo, it was and still is revengeful rather than policy compliant. Regards Govindaharihari (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Entirely irrelevant. In this case he was right, and of course he had only one vote. Doug Weller talk 18:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- It has me amused that the opener of that dailymail discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC is now a indefinitely blocked puppet master. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hillbillyholiday Govindaharihari (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't suggest you were edit-warring. It was meant to be more informational than warning. But of course now I hope you understand not to use it again. Doug Weller talk 15:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
You removed information.
The House of Kohtala is still a claimant to the Finnish thorne. Whether it was an abortive attempt or not is irrelevant.They are not widely known outside of the country because it is so small and young nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greekroyals (talk • contribs) 03:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Franciscans
This entry is not understandable by a normal person. Way too in the weeds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.26.107.153 (talk) 05:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding additions made to 'Tamil language' page and user 'SpacemanSpiff's remarks:
SpacemanSpiff says "As before, removed well-sourced text, added badly sourced text, not a minor edit, and what does "tittle" mean as an edit summary?"
"removed well-sourced text" - No text was REMOVED. The heading 'Legend' was MOVED before 'Etymology'.
"added badly sourced text" - The addition about tittle usage in Tamil has been sourced from Ananda Vikatan magazine, a well-respected Tamil language magazine in circulation for 92 years, and it is the magazine with the second largest circulation in India (Source - Indian Readership Survey 2017) The page in question 'Tamil Language' has sources from websites like indianmalaysian.com, thenews.com.pk, The Hindu newspaper ('Rudimentary Tamil-Brahmi script' unearthed at Adichanallur, "Palani excavation triggers fresh debate", The Hindu, Chennai, India), etc. In which case, Ananda Vikatan can be well accepted as a credible source, as they do not publish lies about respected Tamil scholars and the Tamil language.
"not a minor edit" - It is a minor edit to the 'Consonants' section.
Hence, I am adding the edit again. As new information throws more light on the Tamil language, it needs to be reflected on Wikipedia too. Thank you. --Ophelia S (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Tamil language is a Featured Article. That means the Wikipedia community has decided at some point in the past that it is an exceptional example of work on Wikipedia. It remains so unless and until a community review determines otherwise. The nature of FAs means that a certain amount of stability is desirable in order to ensure that its outstanding merits are not compromised by ill-judged changes. Of course, all articles can be improved and new theories etc can emerge, thus requiring an article to be amended. However, when an article is considered to be of Featured quality it is usually best to discuss any changes on its talk page and obtain consensus for making them. - Sitush (talk) 11:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding rude & subjective opinions in removing content
Hi, Many sections in the 'Tamil language' page do not even have one source. But for my single edit to the 'Consonants' section, I now had to add 5 credible sources, including the source from the 1891 book 'Thonnool Vilakkam' written by Beschi (Veeramamunivar) himself, where he clearly describes adding the tittle and making changes to the way long Tamil vowels were written.(And the Tamil wikipage about Veeramamunivar where all these contributions are already mentioned.)
Now there is a separate thread running about the sources mentioned in the page 'Constantine Beschi', https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Constanzo_Beschi#Dubious posted by user Sitush with hashtag 'dubious'????!!!! He says 'The Catholic Encyclopaedia is over 100 years old and is known to be unreliable in many respects.' - That doesn't make all its content unreliable. He says 'We only very rarely allow sources from the Raj era in India-related stuff.' - What sort of a criteria is this and who makes such biased decisions on Wikipedia? This is clearly biased opinion against works of British authors, when clearly most of the archaeological discoveries in India were done by British archaeologists, who helped preserve it for posterity. 'The Tamilnation website has a somewhat chequered history on Wikipedia.' - Again biased opinion. 'and surely if this chap is as notable as is made out in our article' - He refers to Beschi as 'this chap', clearly indicating complete ignorance about this esteemed Tamil scholar and his works. And this user is qualifying credible sources giving correct information as 'dubious'????
And now to appease the content removers, I've had to give 5 sources for one edit. This is almost a harassment. And seems to be a part of the devious attempts in today's India to re-write history and whitewash all positive contributions to Indian history by Dalits and minorities. --Ophelia S (talk) 11:08, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)
a part of the devious attempts in today's India to re-write history and whitewash all positive contributions to Indian history by Dalits and minorities
- please read WP:RGW. - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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[3] Yep, an actual typo. 58.110.170.207 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
--JustBerry (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- A time stamp would be nice, but I can't complain! --JustBerry (talk) 09:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @JustBerry: sorry, I hadn't noticed there wasn't one. I've added it. Doug Weller talk 09:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
One more thing...
Creator of Draft:Akira seems intent on reverting prior AFC comments with the intent of getting the article passed with a more lenient reviewer (see page history). Suggestions? --JustBerry (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @JustBerry: Surely the editor is the subject of the article? Imakiraa and http://imakiraa.com/akira/ ? http://imakiraa.com just goes to http://imakiraa.com/akira/. Or a fan using her name of course. Doug Weller talk 10:10, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- I've added the autobio welcome message. I don't get involved in reviewing drafts, you might want to ask one of the earlier reviewers, mentioning my comment about an autobiography. She's not trying to hide who she is. Doug Weller talk 10:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well, shortly after your auto welcome, which contains the comment "Your user page, however, is a great place to write about yourself", the user inserted the article draft on her userpage. Understandably perhaps. Well, given that she ignored the bothersome second half of your sentence, "making sure to stay within user page guidelines", which is always likely. Bishonen | talk 11:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC).
- (edit conflict) @Bishonen: I suppose. Removing feedback that other users have given in an attempt to shop for a reviewer to accept the article is fairly disruptive, particularly when the AFC template instructions say to leave the comments on the draft page for fellow reviewers. Moreover, the user appears to be unwilling to be considerate of that request, repeatedly removing the comments (an implicit revert). Because Robert has also noticed the comment removal, I think following up with the user on their talk page would probably be appropriate. Let's see how it goes. (Please be wary that some of these understandings and interpretations have been derived from my interactions with the user via IRC as well as onwiki.) --JustBerry (talk) 11:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Another aspect of the situation that sparked concern is that much of the draft is copyrighted material (yes, copyrighted). Despite trying to remove it, the draft creator decided to reinstate the text. I am working on following up with a message on their talk page with these concerns. --JustBerry (talk) 11:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well, shortly after your auto welcome, which contains the comment "Your user page, however, is a great place to write about yourself", the user inserted the article draft on her userpage. Understandably perhaps. Well, given that she ignored the bothersome second half of your sentence, "making sure to stay within user page guidelines", which is always likely. Bishonen | talk 11:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC).
- I've added the autobio welcome message. I don't get involved in reviewing drafts, you might want to ask one of the earlier reviewers, mentioning my comment about an autobiography. She's not trying to hide who she is. Doug Weller talk 10:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @JustBerry: I don't think you'll see any copyright there now. Of course Bish and I can still see it. :-) I think this is going to lead to a block unless she starts to communicate. Doug Weller talk 13:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for addressing the issue and following up. You may already be aware, as you had posted on the draft creator's page not long ago, but I left them an extensive message explaining the situation and offering to continue working with them in a collaborative fashion, while cautioning them of some of the concerns discussed above. --JustBerry (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Or just... --JustBerry (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @JustBerry: I don't think you'll see any copyright there now. Of course Bish and I can still see it. :-) I think this is going to lead to a block unless she starts to communicate. Doug Weller talk 13:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@Doug & @Bishonen: (because you popped by earlier in the conversation; didn't want to leave you out) In case you see that Draft:Akira gets re-created: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Imakiraa. --JustBerry (talk) 09:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
The Perun editor
is currently active at Shepherd's axe, unless I'm seriously mistaken. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).
- Following a successful request for comment, administrators are now able to add and remove editors to the "event coordinator" group. Users in the event coordinator group have the ability to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit. Users will no longer need to be in the "account creator" group if they are in the event coordinator group.
- Following an AN discussion, all pages with content related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, are now under indefinite general sanctions.
- IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
- The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
- There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
- It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.
- A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.
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Recuse
I disagree with your opinion that you have recently made on the on-going ARCA, due to your involvement with a few editors named in the on-going ARCA concerning India and Pakistan.[4][5][6][7][8]
You have edited the same articles as them, hence you should recuse. Your heavy participation in Indus Valley Civilisation, which is also edited by Mar4d, Capitals00, D4iNa4,[9] including the talk page, [10] where you were involved as recently as February 2018. [11]
As far as I know, you were also involved with Raymond3023, D4iNa4, Capitals00, in a content dispute on Bhimbetka rock shelters that is also pretty recent.[12][13]
--RaviC (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- I note that you waited until I posted. The time to have asked this was when it opened. Doug Weller talk 15:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy states that "Requests for recusal after a case has entered the voting stage will not be granted, except in extraordinary circumstances." Doug Weller talk 15:07, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- None of the parties has asked me to and they've known I'm an Arb. One of the parties has thanked me for my post even though it wasn't favorable to them Doug Weller talk 15:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC).