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October 2010
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Kochi. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. BINOY Talk 09:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Your recent edits
Hi DileepKS69, Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Please read this for details. I noticed that you are removing the line making it the largest urban agglomeration in the state and the second largest city in Kerala after the state capital in the article Kochi by arguing it is vandalism. Please note that this article is about the city and Kochi is the second largest city in Kerala. It is not vandalism. You also added Kochi ranks first in the total number of tourists visiting Kerala without any citations. Please see this. Kochi is a former featured article. Try to add contents with appropriate citations or it will affect the credibility of the article. Happy editing :).... BINOY Talk 09:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Your Reply
I have read your answers...
1. The page is about Kochi, and the UA surrounding it. That fact is clearly mentioned in the first paragraph. I don't see any problem with that. I am not aware of any rule saying that a page should only refer to a city? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Note: Note that the page is about the city. I am not saying that a page should only refer to a city. The population of the UA is can mentioned there but the city population has more priority than the UA as this is the city page.
2. Citation is provided for the tourism information. Not sure if someone removed it. If so, I will put it back.
Note: If you got credible source, no problem :).
3. The assertion of 'second largest city after the capital' does not add any value to the page. It only boosts the ego of the first. You have plenty of places and opportunities to do that. I don't see any good reason to retain it.
Note: I don't understand how second largest city after the capital affect the article...!!! It described the population of the city just like the UA population which has less priority here.
Happy editing..:) BINOY Talk 10:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
WARNING for EDIT-WARRING
Please stop reverting constantly , as you are doing in Kochi. You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. If you revert again, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia without further notice. Please discuss any disputed changes on the talk page. Thank you.--Induzcreed (talk) 09:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry to say that it is you who is doing the edit war. You are given ample opportunity to prove your point, but you are going ahead with the edit war. I am sure the Wiki admins would appreciate the fact and take the necessary action
DileepKS69 (talk) 10:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Please stop reverting/deleting constantly , as you are doing in Kochi. You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. The revision/deletion you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. If you revert/delete again unwantedly, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia without further notice. Please discuss any disputed changes on the talk page. Thank you.--Kottayamkaaran (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear editors who want to issue warning on this subject. Please read the Talk:Kochi page, and comment on the issues raised, before issuing the warnings.
DileepKS69 (talk) 05:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Percentage of software exports
Dileep, I have replied on article talk page about the percentage. I have also reverted your edits in Kochi page which is related to this discussion. Hope you wont take it offensive. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 09:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit war on Kochi page
Hi Dileepks69, I have seen the ongoing edit war in Kochi page. I am busy these days, and hence couldnt spend quality time in wiki. I will post my thoughts in the article talk page, by tomorrow. I am sorry for the delayed response. Thanks, --Chektomate (talk) 01:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Warning
You've been trying to WP:OWN the Kochi article. The prior protection and subsequent unprotection doesn't seem to have got the message across that tendentious editing is not welcome here. If you continue to indulge in tendentious editing, you will be blocked. —SpacemanSpiff 09:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- Dear Spaceman, I deny any attempt to WP:OWN the page. Every edit I did was based on valid reference, and in the matter that caused the protection of the article, which was of an editorial propriety, I accepted the consensus. I always use the talk page to discuss, and never used bogus arguments in the talk pages. I believe I am being wrongly accused of conducting tendentious editing here.
- Being a rather new member of the community, I solicit your advice on this. I intend to play by the letter and spirit of the rules, so please help me.
DileepKS69 (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- JUst starting a discussion on the talk page doesn't give you license to make any edits you wish when other editor(s) have disagreed. You've got to stop that. The page history is nothing but edits and reverts ever since the protection expired and most of those reverts are by you. —SpacemanSpiff 09:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- No, I haven't done that. Once a discussion starts, I have not done the edit, pending consensus. I have seen other editors (who happen to complain about me) do that a lot. After being appraised of the WP:BRD concept, I have followed it by the letter. If you can kindly point to the infraction, I shall learn from that and avoid the same in the future.
- Thank you for the helps, and I look forward to your continued guidance.
DileepKS69 (talk) 10:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Spicedman,
The following is the list of edits I did to articles after the protection episode, till you issued the warning. Please specify which ones of these caused the warning you gave me, so that I can learn from them. As I look at it, none of them falls into the actions you allege me of.
- 08:07, 15 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (Undid revision 396829180 by 115.184.34.220 (talk)It IS a major station. See talk page. Waiting for the editor to undo.)
- 07:45, 15 November 2010 (diff | hist) Transport in Kochi ? (Undid revision 396725454 by Induzcreed (talk)Link to a city in the name of a Rly division.)
- 07:22, 15 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (?Rail: Removed link to a city in the name of a railway division. If you have a page for the Rly division, please link there. Please use the Talk page to discuss.)
- 12:28, 14 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (?Demographics: Fixed the url of ref.)
- 11:49, 14 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (?Demographics: The statement 'lowest rank' is incorrect. Now we have the original source of the cited ref, which says Rank 23. This information may be added as a consolidated statement.)
- 11:36, 14 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (?Demographics: Updated population numbers based on Census Data)
- 11:29, 14 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (?Rail: Added some more railway stations serving the city.)
- 09:11, 14 November 2010 (diff | hist) Kochi ? (Changed population numbers based on Census of India reference.)
Explain to me, please, because I want to know. Else, please remove the warning.
Thanks, DileepKS69 (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Seeking Policy Advice
I am repeatedly seeing allegations of owning, tendentious editing, soapboxing and other crimes. Being a rather newbie, it raises a lot of questions in my mind. I want to do things in the correct way. I am trying to get answers to these questions. Comments are invited.
1. Does adding information to a page, supported by valid reference, mean soapboxing? Purely because those information seem to paint the city in a good light? Is there a policy that an editor need to add certain amount of 'bad' information as well, to maintain the image of balance?
2. Does focusing on a single subject/area, mean soapboxing? Is there a policy that an editor should work on diverse subjects to maintain an image of balance?
3. Doesn't adding links to another page that is contextually irrelevant, mean soapboxing? Shouldn't those irrelevant links be removed?
4. Isn't the WP:BRD principle the correct way to resolve a disagreement? Doesn't it mean that the 'state before the edit' should be the state while the discussion happens?
5. What is the correct way, when an editor refuses to co-operate to discuss?
Thanks in advance for the comments/advice. DileepKS69 (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Dileep, you need not be thinking so hard about the wiki policies. There are some simple steps to do happy editing.
Here goes My advice:
- Be Neutral and edit with an un-biased mind
- Always keep in mind that this is just an article, and your life is not dependent upon it.
- If some thing negative about your city is there in the city page, please under stand that your city will not be destroyed by Aliens because of such statements in wikipedia.
- Please go with consensus, and be happy always.
- Appreciate others not only for the good points about your city, but also about valid negative points.
--Chektomate (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dileep,
You did good in the Kochi article. But the problem is you only want to add the positive things in the article which praise the city. If you find a negative thing about the city in the article, you put all your efforts to remove that. (see the talk page). An article must contain all kinds of information about the subject. Remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a brochure about places. There is so many other subjects are in Wikipedia and note that Kochi is only one of the 3,475,400 ++ (and increasing....) articles in English Wikipedia!!!!. Nothing will happen to your city by this article. So be Neutral and be happy always :). Happy editing...BINOY Talk 17:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Check/Binoy, Neither of you answered the questions. Instead you are recycling the same ideas that had been tossed around here. Still I do not see why I am the target of all the hostility.
1. I haven't added something without solid reference, and I have always respected consensus. Yes, I argued my viewpoint on the talk page. That is the whole idea, isn't it?
2. I haven't removed something without proper reason attributed, and an invitation to talk. I have always respected BRD principle, unless the other editor blatantly ignores it, in which case, I did try to bring the state back to BRD.
3. I had always been civil in the discussion, despite provocation.
Binoy, you said 'But the problem is you only want to add the positive things in the article which praise the city. If you find a negative thing about the city in the article, you put all your efforts to remove that.'. Does that mean you answer my first question as yes? Please confirm if that was the intention. Because if you do, that goes against my basic understanding of Wikipedia, and I would need consensus on that notion.
Thanks, DileepKS69 (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
You first pass the first standard, Granpa :-) Then you can ask questions on second standard syllabus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.160.8 (talk) 04:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Replying based on note on my talk page
- Repeating the same thing again and again in the face of reasoned arguments from other editors is soapboxing (an example was your initial response to the slum image)
- There is no requirement to focus on multiple areas, however when your focus is to promote a particular topic, behavioral issues become a problem, e.g. your reactions to other editors contributions (whether they are good or bad).
- - 5. The problem here is that you have sought to revert any and every bit of text not associated with your view under the guise of BRD by just stating something on the talk page. Therefore your good edits can not be differentiated from the bad. If you're in the right, there are other editors who will come to that conclusion and consensus will be reached. You seem to want everything in a certain manner and exhibit WP:OWN tendencies which is not good. This is a wiki, some things take time so you'll have to act accordingly.
How to cite RTI (Right to Information) Responses
I have a few RTI responses I received. I want to use them as reference for edits. What is the best way to go about it? It is the information within the response that matters, not any image or work of art.
1. Scan and post an image of the document to commons? 2. Scan the document into PDF and host on a website, and cite as web link? Please advice.
- You can cite the reference without a link, for example the way a book is cited. While a link to the document is nice, it is not required, and in some instances might itself be a copyright violation. I hope this helps. My76Strat 03:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, this article contains many references I included from a freedom of information act request. Mostly the General orders shown, listed as GO some number. Even though they are not linked, they are accurate and can be verified. And they are appropriate. Kind regards My76Strat 04:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
TVM City
Thiruvananthapuram ranks first in the number of international tourists in Kerala. Actually this is about tvm district or tvm city? I think its about tvm district. So we can remove it from TVM city article. Check this http://tourism.gov.in/pplan/Kerala.pdf and go the 46th page.
--Bijuts (talk) 11:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
When Kovalam is added to the city limits, it practically brought in most of the tourist visits into city limit, so the assertion is correct.
DileepKS(talk) 00:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Talkback
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TRV
Lower fourth seems to be edit warring. Please initiate a discussion on TRV's talk page. I'll inform other editors to look into the matter. Meanwhile I have also commented out the distance info because you changed it and Lower fourth has reverted it. I believe he has initiated the edit war which is why I have given only him a warning. Please raise the concerned issuses on the talk page. Thanks, —Abhishek Talk to me 17:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
WARNING
So, you are a forumer from Skyscrapercity and trying to enact the edit wars in wikipedia too! I request you to stay away from Edit wars, and ask your friends (Moutainwhiskey, Bijuts, and many anonymous IPs) also to avoid edit warring. --Samaleks (talk) 11:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
February 2011
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Toddst1 (talk) 08:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
Well, you learn something new every day. Today I learned that seeking help nicely to resolve a non-dispute can result in a block. I also learned that the way to defeat any edit is to adamantly keep arguing, and claiming that consensus is not reached. Unfortunately, I happen to be too nice to use such tactics myself. Like many situations in life, being nice and playing by the rules is often tough.
I still haven't lost faith in the system yet. As advised, I shall proceed to the dispute resolution process once the block is lifted.
DileepKS(talk) 10:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
RE: Reply to message on my tallk page
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If successful, pls drop me {{you've got mail}} in my talk page. -- Aarem (Talk) 07:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Message from User:Induzcreed
- See DileepKS69,I also haven't forgotten the way you fought and tried to HYPE your favourite place Kochi. Whatever edits I have made, and challenged you was based on facts, and not for hyping some city. You and your group of friends are now trying to open another war on Trivandrum page. I came to Trivandrum page, sensing this. Hope you don't take your pro-Kochi and anti-Thiruvananthapuram attitude here also, as you are doing in other forums.
- I thought you might have learned from the BLOCK you got for edit-warring; but you haven't. Wikipedia is not a forum like the one you own for immediate actions. It will take its own time for reaching a consensus. Hope you got the point, and all the best for your wiki life. --Induzcreed (talk) 05:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
RE:Your intervention needed on edit war
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Trivandrum International Airport
Hi please have a look at this edit. It contains addition of Malayalam title. Please check if the title is properly added by the IP. Thanks, —Abhishek Talk to me 17:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Ok thanks for that. —Abhishek Talk to me 08:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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Meat Puppet
Thanks for asking Bijuts offline to make the revert. You are very cunning; and reminds me of the old fox story in Panchatantra (its a compliment). :-)