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:Hi Jeanne. Really nice to hear from you. Hope you're having a great time. How are the waiters this year? What's happening? [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 08:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
:Hi Jeanne. Really nice to hear from you. Hope you're having a great time. How are the waiters this year? What's happening? [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 08:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
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FAC
Dai, do you think I should nominate the Miami Showband killings article now for FAC or wait until after summer? School is almost out and hopefully I'll be at the beach most of the summer, so I'm afraid I won't be able to adequately address the issues put forth. I'm not sure how long it takes for the review to start.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah. Summer starts tomorrow! Guess it depends when you're off down the beach. You could nominate now and if nothing has happened by two weeks before beach time, withdraw the nomination. The alternative is to wait until after your summer ends. That's almost forever. Once it starts though, you have to be able to respond, at least within 24 hours, I'd say. What do you think? Daicaregos (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think it would be wise and prudent to wait until after I return from the beach. I recall it took a while for the GA review to begin. I can get onto a public PC every few days, but not everyday and I certainly wouldn't have the time to give the article the full attention it deserves. I will be keeping an eye on the article whilst away to make sure it's not vandalised or unsourced text added to it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. When are you hitting the sand, Jeanne? Daicaregos (talk) 11:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hopefully at the end of June or early July. The weather here has been strange: grey, overcast, some days are hot and humid, other days are cool. My daughter's school finishes on the 10th June so that means her PC will be occupied. My son is always on the other one so.....Oh BTW, I followed your suggestion a while back. On Sunday, I created an article on John Weir (loyalist) and this morning nominated it for a DYK.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Which suggestion? he asked, slightly nervously. Daicaregos (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- A while back I asked you to take a look at the article on this charmer Robin Jackson, and after reading it, you asked me if I had planned to do an article on whistleblower, and letter-of-cat-out-of-the-bag- John Weir. This past Sunday I finally did one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Blimey. So you did. I'll take a gander later. Daicaregos (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Very impressive Jeanne. Pretty depressing though. There probably aren't enough sources to take the article much further, are there? Have you thought of creating a template to link the charmers (eg Template:Current Welsh AMs)? Daicaregos (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Honestly I encountered a barrage of info. It was difficult wading through all the details in the Barron Report and his affidavit, trying not to give undue weight to some of his accounts. What do you think should be added? The template sounds interesting. Oh, you never saw my article on one of the female charmers. And to add spice to the brew, she was a former hippie-turned-terrorist! Here she is: Muriel Gibson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Very impressive Jeanne. Pretty depressing though. There probably aren't enough sources to take the article much further, are there? Have you thought of creating a template to link the charmers (eg Template:Current Welsh AMs)? Daicaregos (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Blimey. So you did. I'll take a gander later. Daicaregos (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- A while back I asked you to take a look at the article on this charmer Robin Jackson, and after reading it, you asked me if I had planned to do an article on whistleblower, and letter-of-cat-out-of-the-bag- John Weir. This past Sunday I finally did one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Which suggestion? he asked, slightly nervously. Daicaregos (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hopefully at the end of June or early July. The weather here has been strange: grey, overcast, some days are hot and humid, other days are cool. My daughter's school finishes on the 10th June so that means her PC will be occupied. My son is always on the other one so.....Oh BTW, I followed your suggestion a while back. On Sunday, I created an article on John Weir (loyalist) and this morning nominated it for a DYK.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. When are you hitting the sand, Jeanne? Daicaregos (talk) 11:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think it would be wise and prudent to wait until after I return from the beach. I recall it took a while for the GA review to begin. I can get onto a public PC every few days, but not everyday and I certainly wouldn't have the time to give the article the full attention it deserves. I will be keeping an eye on the article whilst away to make sure it's not vandalised or unsourced text added to it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
No, I never saw that one before. Love her children's names - inspired. You've been busy Jeanne! Way I see it, the more sources you have, the further you're likely to be able to take the article (unless the sources are all from the same press release). Journalists like to find an 'angle', which can be used for additional minor facts/information to build a well rounded article. If you use the Barron Report as your base, you can add stuff from the other sources to flesh it out. Are you thinking of GA, or to infinity and beyond? The template won't make it a better article, but it will allow those interested to find similar articles, more easily. Daicaregos (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've fleshed out Weir's article somewhat. I added the date he was recruited by his SPG colleagues into joining the Glenanne gang. I also gave the reason why he joined! The Kingsmill massacre (Another event involving a minibus, people lined up beside the road, gunned down, and an English-accented man overseeing the operation!)--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wow. Before or after Miami Showband? Daicaregos (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Six months after! The lone survivor alleged that the leader of the armed gang had a distinct English accent. This proves that Military Intelligence were playing a double game!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Still quite shocking, isn't it. Even 35 years on. 21:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. If you really want to receive jolts, go read Weir's affidavit and see who was involved! My God. I didn't put all of it in the article lest it become too cumbersome. Click on the BBC News source to see a photo of Weir. Doesn't he look like an agent of the KGB?!!! Scary guy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Still quite shocking, isn't it. Even 35 years on. 21:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Six months after! The lone survivor alleged that the leader of the armed gang had a distinct English accent. This proves that Military Intelligence were playing a double game!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wow. Before or after Miami Showband? Daicaregos (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Have you thought any more about the template to link your charmers Jeanne. If you haven't done it because you think it's a bad idea, please say (I shan't be offended at all). However, if you haven't done it because your not sure how, I'd be happy to have a go. Just tell me which articles you want to include. Daicaregos (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I gladly accept your offer and suggestion! The articles that should be included are: Robin Jackson, Billy Hanna (a decorated war hero-turned-bomber, Glenanne gang, Billy Wright (loyalist), Harris Boyle, Tommy Lyttle, John Weir (loyalist), William Marchant (loyalist), Muriel Gibson (loyalist). I can add others once I see how you've done it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- What do you want to call it? Are there bios on "the other side" too? Daicaregos (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- How about Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries? Yes, I have created four on IRA men: Kevin McGrady, John Francis Green, Peter Cleary and Larry Marley. The last two were DYKs.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Have a look at this. What do you think? Would it be useful? Daicaregos (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's lovely and very useful. Thanks Dai. I can just add names to it. I see you've bolded the brigadiers! Another fantastic suggestion, Dai!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't created yet. I wanted to make sure it was ok first. Shall I move it into mainspace now, or have you any suggestions for improvements? Daicaregos (talk) 18:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It looks good to go! To add more names one just has to put them in alphabetical order. And bold the brigadiers. Great idea.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- That's right. It's here: Template:Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries. I just added it to Robin Jackson. Does it look OK? Have to scarpa now. L8rs, Daicaregos (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've added the template to each article. Let me know if you would like to see any amendments. Cheers for now. Daicaregos (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It looks absolutely fantastic! Thanks a million, Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've added the template to each article. Let me know if you would like to see any amendments. Cheers for now. Daicaregos (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- That's right. It's here: Template:Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries. I just added it to Robin Jackson. Does it look OK? Have to scarpa now. L8rs, Daicaregos (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It looks good to go! To add more names one just has to put them in alphabetical order. And bold the brigadiers. Great idea.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't created yet. I wanted to make sure it was ok first. Shall I move it into mainspace now, or have you any suggestions for improvements? Daicaregos (talk) 18:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's lovely and very useful. Thanks Dai. I can just add names to it. I see you've bolded the brigadiers! Another fantastic suggestion, Dai!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Have a look at this. What do you think? Would it be useful? Daicaregos (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- How about Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries? Yes, I have created four on IRA men: Kevin McGrady, John Francis Green, Peter Cleary and Larry Marley. The last two were DYKs.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- What do you want to call it? Are there bios on "the other side" too? Daicaregos (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Glad you like it Jeanne. I see you added a whole bunch more to the template. I had no idea there were so many articles on them. Templates are useful that way. Not sure if you know, but the template doesn't add itself to the pages automatically. It needs to be added manually to each page. Add {{Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries}} where you want the template to appear. I think it's best placed after the refs, but before any external links, the person data and categories. Just to make sure: 1: are they in the right order (UVF 1st, then UDA etc); 2: is "Brigade leaders" the correct phrase; 3: Are there any other changes you think may improve it? Daicaregos (talk) 07:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Seeing as the UDA was the biggest organisation perhaps it should precede the UVF. Brigadier would probably be best and we should also bold commanders.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have since switched it and placed the UDA at the top. In their heyday, the UDA had thousands of members, seeing as they remianed legal until the early 1990s. The commanders I bolded were just the overall commanders such as Tyrie, Spence, and Rea; not local OCs.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Whatever you think best, Jeanne. Anything else? Any other tweaks? Daicaregos (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- It looks fine. I did add another group- the Red Hand Commando seeing as they have their own separate category. Do you think we should add prominent paramilitaries who don't yet have their own articles such as Dave Fogel, Mo Courtney, Stewart Young, and Fat Jackie Thompson?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Aye, I saw that. Definitely, if you intend to write them very soon - as an aide memoire. Otherwise, it may be better to add them when the articles are written. Red links look really odd in these templates. I noticed some were in more than one organisation. Do you favour them appearing twice, or just at their main affiliation? Daicaregos (talk) 09:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I think twice. For example Billy Wright was the leader of the UVF's Mid-Ulster Brigade as well as the leader of the LVF.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Alright if I leave that to you? As you know who's who. I'm adding the template to the new members. Daicaregos (talk) 09:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'll go over them later on and see if I find anymore guys with duplicate membership. Thanks. C you later.
- Alright if I leave that to you? As you know who's who. I'm adding the template to the new members. Daicaregos (talk) 09:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I think twice. For example Billy Wright was the leader of the UVF's Mid-Ulster Brigade as well as the leader of the LVF.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Aye, I saw that. Definitely, if you intend to write them very soon - as an aide memoire. Otherwise, it may be better to add them when the articles are written. Red links look really odd in these templates. I noticed some were in more than one organisation. Do you favour them appearing twice, or just at their main affiliation? Daicaregos (talk) 09:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- It looks fine. I did add another group- the Red Hand Commando seeing as they have their own separate category. Do you think we should add prominent paramilitaries who don't yet have their own articles such as Dave Fogel, Mo Courtney, Stewart Young, and Fat Jackie Thompson?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Whatever you think best, Jeanne. Anything else? Any other tweaks? Daicaregos (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have since switched it and placed the UDA at the top. In their heyday, the UDA had thousands of members, seeing as they remianed legal until the early 1990s. The commanders I bolded were just the overall commanders such as Tyrie, Spence, and Rea; not local OCs.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Gotta go in five minutes but thought I'd pop by and say hello. Carson101 (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Good to see you back. Thanks for thinking of me. May have just caught you before you've gone again. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Let me echo Carson and add my own personal greetings to you. Dai, I just added a slew of info on the Weir article and I feel I deserve a bit of light relief. How are you? This afternoon on the telly, I watched an old British police film from the late 1960s. Oh, I loved England back then. It showed Liverpool Railway Station. I was there in 1979 when I spent the day in the city.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry Jeanne, this was lost in the traffic. Thank you. Are the English language films dubbed or subtitled? I enjoyed late 60s England too, though the winters seemed a lot colder (no central heating, and cold-weather clothing's come on well in the last 40 odd years). We were both just kids then - a bit young for all that Carnaby Street and Beatles Liverpool stuff. Our fun was still ahead of us. Daicaregos (talk) 08:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the films are dubbed so one loses all the flavour of local regional accents, slang terms, etc. The film I saw was The File of the Golden Goose with Yul Brynner. I was a big Rolling Stones fan back then but too young to have gone up to see them at Altamont (I knew people who did go). The first time I saw the Stones live was at the Los Angeles Forum in June 1972. One of the happiest days of my life. It was about a fortnight before my 14th birthday and when the Stones walked onstage I felt I'd gone to heaven.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wow. You saw them at their very peak. They'd done all their best stuff by then. And you would have been too young to have taken the sort of stuff that stops you from remembering it. Lucky you. Daicaregos (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I remember the loud cheers that accompanied Keith Richards' arrival on the stage. Yes, they were at their peak-Mick Taylor saw to that with his technical skill. A pity Taylor is so underrated as a guitarist. He just had no stage presence. I was even luckier seven months later when I saw them live again at their 18 January 1973 benefit concert for the victims of the Nicaragua earthquake. I sat several rows behind the stage so got a good look at them and even caught some of the roses Jagger threw in my direction! I remember taking the bus alone in the lashing rain to the concert.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I thought it never rains in Southern California. Oh well, another dream shattered :) Daicaregos (talk) 08:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I remember one time it started raining on Christmas 1977 and didn't stop until April 1978! It rained evry single day and caused serious landslides.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Where I come from that's called a cloudy spell. Dai, I think I have given up on GoodDay. He seems to enjoy reading my posts and replying to something completely different. Staying away from his page completely is likely my best policy. Carson101 (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Probably for the best. Thanks for trying. Daicaregos (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what has come over GoodDay. He has really changed, and his stubborn streak seems to be increasing. Why he has to repeat his POV about constituent countries over and over like a mantra, I've yet to figure out.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- Beats me. It's really rather sad. Perhaps the mantra is an attempt to increase the number of sources using the term (from virtually zero), or maybe he's just trying to convince himself :) He seems quite bitter, which is never a good look. Daicaregos (talk) 10:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- "Constutuent country" is not a 'term' Dai - that's where the issue has been. I've explained it here on UK talk, and the constituent countries article explains it better now. Countless sources use it as a simple phrase to describe the UK countries in the direct context of the UK ("constituent counties" and "united Kingdom" search, and "constituent countries" and "uk" search). GoodDay has every right to keep suggesting it, and I support using it as a phrase on Wikipedia too. It's simply widely-used in these type of occasions, that's why: ie it's made for the job. His big problem with GD is his one-line statements - they would wind people up in any walk of life. He just needs to hold on to his opinion until he has something to add to it. I don't think that it is ever fair to say that "everyone has heard this now, GD" (as happens from time to time), as Wikipedia isn't supposed to about a small group of people. He normally has a decent point imo, it's just the way he does it. Matt Lewis (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know you think the constituent countries article explains it better now you've re-written it. Seems your theory is gaining followers. Daicaregos (talk) 07:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's not a 'theory' - it's a fact. A small group of people in the Land of Wikipedia have forced it into being a 'difficult term' - in the Real World it is simply a useful phrase for placing the UK countries in the context of the UK. Which is why it is used so much Dai, despite was you outrageously claimed to Jeanne in your dig at GoodDay above. I'm watching GoodDay's back at the moment by the way - I consider one or two of people's comments to him to be confrontational in themselves - esp the ones that suggest he he his always 'against consensus'. That approach contravenes policy, and these are mostly micro-consensuses anyway: the area is full of guarded little rooms. I speak to people all the time who refuse to go near it all. As I'll be saying to Snowded directly, GD needs to address his behaviour yes - but it is NOT a content issue. Matt Lewis (talk) 10:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- You seem easily outraged, Matt. If my comment is outrageous, as you claim, it must be a personal attack and should be reported at AN/I. If not, and it is just your hyperbole, then piss off, as it is unwarranted and only serves to exacerbate an already unpleasant situation. Interesting to see you're "watching GoodDay's back back at the moment [sic]" - that would be his front you're watching, then. I'm sure you have your reasons. By the way, your Google links provided zero hits. Just a suggestion, but you could try reading what you write sometimes. Thanks for stopping by Matt, always good to hear your point of view. Daicaregos (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps some people don't have the time and dedication you have? Anything you try and do to GoodDay from now on will be met my support for him, along with diffs of your own behaviour - to show exactly what lies behind his. Of course it is outrageous for you to say there are 'zero hits': you just don't want to acknowledge them, and are happy to tell people like Jeanne that they don't exist. Is eradicating a simple word worth that much to you? In the context of the UK the harmless clarifying word (or phrase if you like) is used constantly, esp in government and finance where they have occasion to use it. To tell other Wikipedians these diffs do not exist really is disruptive I'm afraid. You really shouldn't do it. Matt Lewis (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Did you actually check your links Matt? THEY DON'T WORK. Shoddy, Matt, very shoddy. Daicaregos (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Well they work fine for me, so I thought you meant they had nothing to offer! So for my part, apologies there. What was that all about on Deacon's talk? For you to say that I do nothing for Wikipedia! I seem to remember helping you enough when you started. The link issue must be a Google setting - they work for me. Between the two quoted searches ("constituent countries" with both "UK" and "United Kingdom") there are over half a million results - though the real figure will be less of course, it's still a hell of a lot. I didn't search for "constituent country", though that is valid too in the context of the UK. So they are largely things like government or academic stat reports etc? It's that kind of phrase - nothing else. No-one is (or should be) pretending it is - or is claimed to be - coffee-shop language. I can see that you are extremely pissed off today, but people who have been friendly with GoodDay are obviously entitled to remain so however far it may have gone downhill between you both. I'm entitled to agree or disagree with him, and defend his name when I think he needs the support - like I have done today. This Wikipedia offers little without support. Matt Lewis (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Did you actually check your links Matt? THEY DON'T WORK. Shoddy, Matt, very shoddy. Daicaregos (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps some people don't have the time and dedication you have? Anything you try and do to GoodDay from now on will be met my support for him, along with diffs of your own behaviour - to show exactly what lies behind his. Of course it is outrageous for you to say there are 'zero hits': you just don't want to acknowledge them, and are happy to tell people like Jeanne that they don't exist. Is eradicating a simple word worth that much to you? In the context of the UK the harmless clarifying word (or phrase if you like) is used constantly, esp in government and finance where they have occasion to use it. To tell other Wikipedians these diffs do not exist really is disruptive I'm afraid. You really shouldn't do it. Matt Lewis (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- You seem easily outraged, Matt. If my comment is outrageous, as you claim, it must be a personal attack and should be reported at AN/I. If not, and it is just your hyperbole, then piss off, as it is unwarranted and only serves to exacerbate an already unpleasant situation. Interesting to see you're "watching GoodDay's back back at the moment [sic]" - that would be his front you're watching, then. I'm sure you have your reasons. By the way, your Google links provided zero hits. Just a suggestion, but you could try reading what you write sometimes. Thanks for stopping by Matt, always good to hear your point of view. Daicaregos (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's not a 'theory' - it's a fact. A small group of people in the Land of Wikipedia have forced it into being a 'difficult term' - in the Real World it is simply a useful phrase for placing the UK countries in the context of the UK. Which is why it is used so much Dai, despite was you outrageously claimed to Jeanne in your dig at GoodDay above. I'm watching GoodDay's back at the moment by the way - I consider one or two of people's comments to him to be confrontational in themselves - esp the ones that suggest he he his always 'against consensus'. That approach contravenes policy, and these are mostly micro-consensuses anyway: the area is full of guarded little rooms. I speak to people all the time who refuse to go near it all. As I'll be saying to Snowded directly, GD needs to address his behaviour yes - but it is NOT a content issue. Matt Lewis (talk) 10:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know you think the constituent countries article explains it better now you've re-written it. Seems your theory is gaining followers. Daicaregos (talk) 07:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- "Constutuent country" is not a 'term' Dai - that's where the issue has been. I've explained it here on UK talk, and the constituent countries article explains it better now. Countless sources use it as a simple phrase to describe the UK countries in the direct context of the UK ("constituent counties" and "united Kingdom" search, and "constituent countries" and "uk" search). GoodDay has every right to keep suggesting it, and I support using it as a phrase on Wikipedia too. It's simply widely-used in these type of occasions, that's why: ie it's made for the job. His big problem with GD is his one-line statements - they would wind people up in any walk of life. He just needs to hold on to his opinion until he has something to add to it. I don't think that it is ever fair to say that "everyone has heard this now, GD" (as happens from time to time), as Wikipedia isn't supposed to about a small group of people. He normally has a decent point imo, it's just the way he does it. Matt Lewis (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Beats me. It's really rather sad. Perhaps the mantra is an attempt to increase the number of sources using the term (from virtually zero), or maybe he's just trying to convince himself :) He seems quite bitter, which is never a good look. Daicaregos (talk) 10:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what has come over GoodDay. He has really changed, and his stubborn streak seems to be increasing. Why he has to repeat his POV about constituent countries over and over like a mantra, I've yet to figure out.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- Probably for the best. Thanks for trying. Daicaregos (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Where I come from that's called a cloudy spell. Dai, I think I have given up on GoodDay. He seems to enjoy reading my posts and replying to something completely different. Staying away from his page completely is likely my best policy. Carson101 (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I remember one time it started raining on Christmas 1977 and didn't stop until April 1978! It rained evry single day and caused serious landslides.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I thought it never rains in Southern California. Oh well, another dream shattered :) Daicaregos (talk) 08:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I remember the loud cheers that accompanied Keith Richards' arrival on the stage. Yes, they were at their peak-Mick Taylor saw to that with his technical skill. A pity Taylor is so underrated as a guitarist. He just had no stage presence. I was even luckier seven months later when I saw them live again at their 18 January 1973 benefit concert for the victims of the Nicaragua earthquake. I sat several rows behind the stage so got a good look at them and even caught some of the roses Jagger threw in my direction! I remember taking the bus alone in the lashing rain to the concert.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wow. You saw them at their very peak. They'd done all their best stuff by then. And you would have been too young to have taken the sort of stuff that stops you from remembering it. Lucky you. Daicaregos (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the films are dubbed so one loses all the flavour of local regional accents, slang terms, etc. The film I saw was The File of the Golden Goose with Yul Brynner. I was a big Rolling Stones fan back then but too young to have gone up to see them at Altamont (I knew people who did go). The first time I saw the Stones live was at the Los Angeles Forum in June 1972. One of the happiest days of my life. It was about a fortnight before my 14th birthday and when the Stones walked onstage I felt I'd gone to heaven.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry Jeanne, this was lost in the traffic. Thank you. Are the English language films dubbed or subtitled? I enjoyed late 60s England too, though the winters seemed a lot colder (no central heating, and cold-weather clothing's come on well in the last 40 odd years). We were both just kids then - a bit young for all that Carnaby Street and Beatles Liverpool stuff. Our fun was still ahead of us. Daicaregos (talk) 08:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Let me echo Carson and add my own personal greetings to you. Dai, I just added a slew of info on the Weir article and I feel I deserve a bit of light relief. How are you? This afternoon on the telly, I watched an old British police film from the late 1960s. Oh, I loved England back then. It showed Liverpool Railway Station. I was there in 1979 when I spent the day in the city.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
The Butcher, the plumber, and the chicken-lorry driver
How do you like my latest? This nasty piece of work decided to ply his trade on the streets of Dublin in 1974 turning Parnell Street into a slaughterhouse.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- A fine addition to you stable, Jeanne. I imagine you know more of that part of Irish history than most people would ever want to. Are there more to come? Daicaregos (talk) 14:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- I only did Mulholland because I discovered he was dead. I had assumed he was still living, otherwise I'd have done him earlier seeing as he was most likely the driver of the first car bomb. The Irish police really messed up when they let him and Hanna off the hook. Obviously they thought they'd offer them immunity in the hope of catching a big fish only to discover the fish in question was a protected species. I'm sure I will do more articles. I did one this morning but on a medieval Breton noblewoman.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Could have been evidence of further collusion, rather than incompetence. Still, good to see you have some light relief :) Daicaregos (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Many people believe there was collusion from the Irish as well. There was one Garda known as The Badger. Remember the Irish Government feared the IRA as well, seeing as the latter considered the Free State Government to be illegal.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest Jeanne. Daicaregos (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- The Badger freely collaborated and worked closely with British Intelligence. See here: Fred Holroyd.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest Jeanne. Daicaregos (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Many people believe there was collusion from the Irish as well. There was one Garda known as The Badger. Remember the Irish Government feared the IRA as well, seeing as the latter considered the Free State Government to be illegal.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Could have been evidence of further collusion, rather than incompetence. Still, good to see you have some light relief :) Daicaregos (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- I only did Mulholland because I discovered he was dead. I had assumed he was still living, otherwise I'd have done him earlier seeing as he was most likely the driver of the first car bomb. The Irish police really messed up when they let him and Hanna off the hook. Obviously they thought they'd offer them immunity in the hope of catching a big fish only to discover the fish in question was a protected species. I'm sure I will do more articles. I did one this morning but on a medieval Breton noblewoman.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Tinkinswood and 'sp=us'
Hi,
The older templates like '{m to ft|7.4}}' default to US English. The later templates like '7.4 metres (24 ft)' default to British English. That's what User:Ezhiki was telling me. He was telling me to preserve the spelling (by adding 'sp=us'). If you look at his and my talk pages, you'll see we've worked together on this.
The article Tinkinswood had US spelling before and after the Lightbot edit. So it's actually a good example of how the procedure and code was updated in accordance with User:Ezhiki's reasonable request.
You're quite right that it should be British English. A benefit of applying the later templates is that the US spelling that was visible in read mode is now also visible in edit mode. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 10:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my User page, a few weeks back. Prehaps I should try a different username and make myself less of a target.--Welshsocialist (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. You have a terrific username, which has to be worth the minor irritation. Doesn't happen often though, AFAICT. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 08:36, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
It's a bye-bye for now from me
Hello, Dai. I'm taking a long break, as I explained on my talk page. I plan to work further on this project when I have the time to do so, which I hope will be no longer than a couple of months from now. Thought I'd say cheerio but will say hi again on my return. Keep up the good work and tell Jeanne to do the same, as I'm sure you both will. Bye for now. Carson101 (talk) 17:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hey Carson. It has been a pleasure to have you around and I look forward to working with you again in the near future, on your return - when all that pesky real-life stuff stops getting in the way of really important matters :) Don't stay away too long though, or by the time you come back someone may have written all those theatre articles, and you'll have nothing to do. All the best for now, Daicaregos (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to see you go. I hope your absence will be of short duration. Take care, Carson and come back soon!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I can feel it! I'm fading away, fading awa, fading a, fadin. I should have had bigger parts in the theatre. Lol. As Dai said, I'm off to the real world. It can be frightening at times you know, WOOOOOO! I better make those my last words as real life is really calling for me. Thanks Dai and Jeanne for making this place a better experience than it might have been, and I'll talk to you both in the future. Bye guys. Over and out. Carson101 (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. See you when you return.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I can feel it! I'm fading away, fading awa, fading a, fadin. I should have had bigger parts in the theatre. Lol. As Dai said, I'm off to the real world. It can be frightening at times you know, WOOOOOO! I better make those my last words as real life is really calling for me. Thanks Dai and Jeanne for making this place a better experience than it might have been, and I'll talk to you both in the future. Bye guys. Over and out. Carson101 (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to see you go. I hope your absence will be of short duration. Take care, Carson and come back soon!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Welcome back
Nice to see you have returned. Hope you had fun in your absence!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Jeanne. Just returned from Tenby. It was really lovely, and only two rainy days (rain lasting less than an hour doesn't count)! Hope all is well. Daicaregos (talk) 13:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- I just took a look at the article. Tenby sounds beautiful, and even has a medieval castle besides the georgeous beaches. At least it only rained for an hour! I've been busy with my wee thugs. Your idea for the template was a good one as it helps point out the people who are missing articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- It rained for (a lot) more than an hour for two days, and for less than an hour on another two. The other days were continuous sunshine though. We love Tenby. We've been there at least once a year for the past eight years. The buildings, harbour, beaches and views are all fabulous. Add several decent restaurants and the (dozens of) good pubs and it's hard to beat. It's only 85 miles away from us and takes about 1 1/2 hours to drive. Finally visited Barafundle this year. It's often noted as one of the finest beaches in the world, and I wouldn't disagree. I saw you were adding to your thugs, Jeanne. Glad the template helped. Have you thought of creating one for the opposition? Daicaregos (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- What a beautiful beach! Yes, I will get around to creating a template for the opposition. Its just the sheer numbers of republicans that have to be added is rather daunting. Seeing as its such a hot day and my son wouldn't drive me to the beach today, I'll leave the Robin Jacksons, Billy Hannas, and Harris Boyles for a while and go up on the roof to get a bit of sun. Reminds me of The Drifters song: Up on the Roof. Well, I shall go now. See you, later.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- Did you notice my straw poll vote of support for an MOS proposal was followed by an almost similar opinion from Himself? Fame at last! :) Daicaregos (talk) 09:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Way hey, Dai! You're beginning to move in rarefied circles. However, even though I do support the use of diacritics, I do wish they and the non-Latin alphabet wouldn't be used for the names of images. Check out the latest crop of Princess Diana images on Commons. They all use Cyrillic letters! A nightmare to upload on a non-Russian keyboard. Diacritics do help readers learn the correct name for thigs, places, people, etc. Last year when Imcreated a slew of articles on Serbian royals, I enlisted the aid of an Eastern European editor to add the names in Serbian along with the Cyrillic letters.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- I tend to copy & paste. That way I don't have to use insert/special character, with the bonus that I make fewer mistakes. How was the beach today? Daicaregos (talk) 15:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't been to the beach yet (boo hoo). Hopefully my beach holiday will commence shortly. I still have to pack, etc.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Just the two piece swimsuit, beach towel, hat, sunscreen, book and a credit card? Sorted. Daicaregos (talk) 15:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wait a minute. You forgot to add clothes, shoes, at least four books, food, makeup, toiletries, my kids' gear, my cat....I'm planning on staying at he beach for at least five weeks. This time, however, the PCs stay at home.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Has your beach no shops nearby? Food! Jeez. Just out of interest - do cats like sand (other than to hide stuff in)? Daicaregos (talk) 16:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- There are shops, but they cost twice as much so I try to take as much with me as I can. My cat stays in the house. I one brought him to the beach in a cage to watch me swim out into the open sea. Oh, check out my latest Robert John Kerr. Bizarre?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Another charmer, Jeanne. Was it certainly Kerr? Was he also identified by his dental records? That he died due to fire seems unsurprising, given the previous attempt on his life. Sounds a little suspect though, don't you think? Did your cat seem impressed by the Med? Daicaregos (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'm sure his ID was confirmed by dental records. According to Sean McPhilemy in his book The Committee which is banned in the UK, aviation fuel was put in the gas canister on the boat. Three deaths occurred in seven months: Kerr's in Nov. 1997, Billy Wright shot dead inside the top security Maze Prison in Dec.1997 and Robin Jackson in May 1998, of lung cancer, but the funeral was private with the undertakers having come from outside the Lurgan area (his home). There were some shady characters at the graveside. My cat Tony was fascinated by the sea; probably the way it shone like an enormous silver disc.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Another charmer, Jeanne. Was it certainly Kerr? Was he also identified by his dental records? That he died due to fire seems unsurprising, given the previous attempt on his life. Sounds a little suspect though, don't you think? Did your cat seem impressed by the Med? Daicaregos (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- There are shops, but they cost twice as much so I try to take as much with me as I can. My cat stays in the house. I one brought him to the beach in a cage to watch me swim out into the open sea. Oh, check out my latest Robert John Kerr. Bizarre?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Has your beach no shops nearby? Food! Jeez. Just out of interest - do cats like sand (other than to hide stuff in)? Daicaregos (talk) 16:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wait a minute. You forgot to add clothes, shoes, at least four books, food, makeup, toiletries, my kids' gear, my cat....I'm planning on staying at he beach for at least five weeks. This time, however, the PCs stay at home.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Just the two piece swimsuit, beach towel, hat, sunscreen, book and a credit card? Sorted. Daicaregos (talk) 15:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't been to the beach yet (boo hoo). Hopefully my beach holiday will commence shortly. I still have to pack, etc.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- I tend to copy & paste. That way I don't have to use insert/special character, with the bonus that I make fewer mistakes. How was the beach today? Daicaregos (talk) 15:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Way hey, Dai! You're beginning to move in rarefied circles. However, even though I do support the use of diacritics, I do wish they and the non-Latin alphabet wouldn't be used for the names of images. Check out the latest crop of Princess Diana images on Commons. They all use Cyrillic letters! A nightmare to upload on a non-Russian keyboard. Diacritics do help readers learn the correct name for thigs, places, people, etc. Last year when Imcreated a slew of articles on Serbian royals, I enlisted the aid of an Eastern European editor to add the names in Serbian along with the Cyrillic letters.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Did you notice my straw poll vote of support for an MOS proposal was followed by an almost similar opinion from Himself? Fame at last! :) Daicaregos (talk) 09:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- What a beautiful beach! Yes, I will get around to creating a template for the opposition. Its just the sheer numbers of republicans that have to be added is rather daunting. Seeing as its such a hot day and my son wouldn't drive me to the beach today, I'll leave the Robin Jacksons, Billy Hannas, and Harris Boyles for a while and go up on the roof to get a bit of sun. Reminds me of The Drifters song: Up on the Roof. Well, I shall go now. See you, later.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- It rained for (a lot) more than an hour for two days, and for less than an hour on another two. The other days were continuous sunshine though. We love Tenby. We've been there at least once a year for the past eight years. The buildings, harbour, beaches and views are all fabulous. Add several decent restaurants and the (dozens of) good pubs and it's hard to beat. It's only 85 miles away from us and takes about 1 1/2 hours to drive. Finally visited Barafundle this year. It's often noted as one of the finest beaches in the world, and I wouldn't disagree. I saw you were adding to your thugs, Jeanne. Glad the template helped. Have you thought of creating one for the opposition? Daicaregos (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- I just took a look at the article. Tenby sounds beautiful, and even has a medieval castle besides the georgeous beaches. At least it only rained for an hour! I've been busy with my wee thugs. Your idea for the template was a good one as it helps point out the people who are missing articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Why do I even bother my a.se?
This is what I get for all my work here: An editor is claiming that the article Robert John Kerr which I nominated for a DYK (articles created 20 June) violates BLP!!!! Apparently because Amnesty Intl hasn't got onvolved we cannot allege that he and Robin Jackson carried out a killing. Even Irish judicial reports commissioned by the Irish Government are not enough!!!!!! Jesus wept. Soemtimes I wonder why I waste my time here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- More than a little frustrating, I imagine. Can't see what the fuss is about, myself, but I notice that although a mention on the WP:BLPN was mooted, it hasn't happened yet. Might be best to bring it up there yourself, Jeanne. At least it will clear things up, one way or another. Daicaregos (talk) 09:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'll let the concerned editor bring it up himself at BLPN. I think I've provided enough refs that are reliable by any standards. Besides both men are dead and I used the word allegedly.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. At least you have the sunshine to put a smile back on your face. Here, the rain is falling almost horizontally at times. And the nights are now drawing in ... Daicaregos (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's started. No way will I ever nominate an article for DYK. Jesus, insults are all the thanks us content-creators get around here by those who hang out at various notice boards. I'm getting the urge to incivil. WTF, why not? Being nice gets you a kick up the backside and sarky (well a poor attempt to be) remarks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. At least you have the sunshine to put a smile back on your face. Here, the rain is falling almost horizontally at times. And the nights are now drawing in ... Daicaregos (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'll let the concerned editor bring it up himself at BLPN. I think I've provided enough refs that are reliable by any standards. Besides both men are dead and I used the word allegedly.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Wales European Championship template
Wales is having this template becuase all Euro nations are having a consistant table, even if they have not qualified.
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#UEFA European Championship record templates Mr Hall of England (talk) 10:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Look at the talk page
- It appears not. Daicaregos (talk) 13:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you Dai for your support. It means a lot, and has brightened an otherwise dreary day, despite the splended sunshine. That episode left me very depressed yesterday. I really despise noticeboard groupies.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- Do they have groupies at noticeboards? I'll have to check it out some time. If I ever feel I'm having a dreary day I tend to take a long walk to clear the mind, then pop in for one or two drinks to really cheer me up. Any more than one or two can have the opposite effect. Carson101 (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hiya Carson. Good to see you back. Groupies? Oh god yes. Take a look at any of the noticeboards and you'll see the same names again and again. Usually, that means that those are the editors who know what they're talking about on that subject. But others also frequent noticeboard after noticeboard; they don't seem to actually create anything, only pontificating on one subject after another. You can usually recognise them by their use of "we", "us" and "our" when referring to Wikipedia. If a bandwaggon passes by, they'll be jumping on it. Should you decide not to bother contributing to articles, you could consider joining them. Beats having a life I suppose. Daicaregos (talk) 18:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Depends on what kind of life you have I suppose. As for me, I'm far too busy partying to spend my life on a wikipedia noticeboard. When I leave this library the world better watch out! lol. Carson101 (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Just as I thought. No commitment :) Daicaregos (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Depends on what kind of life you have I suppose. As for me, I'm far too busy partying to spend my life on a wikipedia noticeboard. When I leave this library the world better watch out! lol. Carson101 (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hiya Carson. Good to see you back. Groupies? Oh god yes. Take a look at any of the noticeboards and you'll see the same names again and again. Usually, that means that those are the editors who know what they're talking about on that subject. But others also frequent noticeboard after noticeboard; they don't seem to actually create anything, only pontificating on one subject after another. You can usually recognise them by their use of "we", "us" and "our" when referring to Wikipedia. If a bandwaggon passes by, they'll be jumping on it. Should you decide not to bother contributing to articles, you could consider joining them. Beats having a life I suppose. Daicaregos (talk) 18:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Welsh Conservatives
Hi there Daicaregos. If you look on the Welsh Conservatives website you'll find that they call themselves the Welsh Conservatives, and not the 'Welsh Conservative Party'. Even though the National Assembly may call them the Welsh Conservative Party, the official name for them is the Welsh Conservatives. I understand this is a page about Wales topics and I don't wish to prove you wrong or insinuate anything but this is my explaination for why I changed the name. Thanks. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 23:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation. I was aware that they call themselves Welsh Conservatives on their wesite. I have no idea what you mean about proving me wrong or insinuating anything. I didn't say you had done anything wrong. I asked if "you have any evidence that they have formally changed their name, rather than a rebranding". You say the official name for them is the Welsh Conservatives. Please provide evidence of that, or an official change of name: a press release, a newspaper report, confirmation by the Electoral Commission etc. If there is none, the subject should be raised at the talk page. This is an encyclopaedia, and should be accurate. Daicaregos (talk) 07:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi there. Maybe I didn't use the right word when I mentioned insinuating so I would just forget about and not worry about it. I understand that this is an encyclopedia and it should be accurate, and on the page there isn't much evidence to back up my name-change, but on external sources for the party, they go under the Welsh Conservatives name and that's enough backup to prove my name-change. Once again, as I may have used the wrong word for what I said don't worry about it; and if I made any accusations by accident then I do apologise, I guess I have a poor choice of words at times. Thanks. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that your interpretation of the external sources shows they go under the name 'Welsh Conservatives'. In addition to the National Assembly for Wales, mentioned above, numerous reliable sources refer to them as the 'Welsh Conservative Party', including: the BBC, a 'Welsh Conservative Party spokesman', the Conservative Party's website and Nick Bourne – their former leader. Also, I note that the Conservative Party's UK website calls itself "conservatives". Nevertheless, the Wikipedia article is at Conservative Party (UK). I am going to revert your WP:BOLD move. If you wish to change the page name you will need to make a page move request per WP:RM. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi again. I don't suppose you've read the official Welsh Conservatives/Conservative Party website have you. http://www.welshconservatives.com/ There's the link and they go by the name 'Welsh Conservatives', that's why I renamed the page. OK that's fine by me to change the name. Thanks. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 15:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- I had seen their website. Calling themselves Welsh Conservatives seems to be a rebranding/spin move, similar to the change from 'The Labour Party' to 'New Labour'. Have a look at their manifesto - they call themselves the Welsh Conservative Party. Their Conservative Party masters (see here) still call them the Welsh Conservative Party. I can see why you changed it, but I don't think that their name has changed officially. I think the article has it right by noting they are known informally as the Welsh Conservatives. As I say, if you have any evidence they have officially changed their name, provide it. But please do so at the article talk page. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 19:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi there. Other than that, I have no other proof I'm afraid. Sorry. JAU123 (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Best we leave it as it is, until something turns up. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi there. Other than that, I have no other proof I'm afraid. Sorry. JAU123 (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- I had seen their website. Calling themselves Welsh Conservatives seems to be a rebranding/spin move, similar to the change from 'The Labour Party' to 'New Labour'. Have a look at their manifesto - they call themselves the Welsh Conservative Party. Their Conservative Party masters (see here) still call them the Welsh Conservative Party. I can see why you changed it, but I don't think that their name has changed officially. I think the article has it right by noting they are known informally as the Welsh Conservatives. As I say, if you have any evidence they have officially changed their name, provide it. But please do so at the article talk page. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 19:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi again. I don't suppose you've read the official Welsh Conservatives/Conservative Party website have you. http://www.welshconservatives.com/ There's the link and they go by the name 'Welsh Conservatives', that's why I renamed the page. OK that's fine by me to change the name. Thanks. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 15:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that your interpretation of the external sources shows they go under the name 'Welsh Conservatives'. In addition to the National Assembly for Wales, mentioned above, numerous reliable sources refer to them as the 'Welsh Conservative Party', including: the BBC, a 'Welsh Conservative Party spokesman', the Conservative Party's website and Nick Bourne – their former leader. Also, I note that the Conservative Party's UK website calls itself "conservatives". Nevertheless, the Wikipedia article is at Conservative Party (UK). I am going to revert your WP:BOLD move. If you wish to change the page name you will need to make a page move request per WP:RM. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi there. Maybe I didn't use the right word when I mentioned insinuating so I would just forget about and not worry about it. I understand that this is an encyclopedia and it should be accurate, and on the page there isn't much evidence to back up my name-change, but on external sources for the party, they go under the Welsh Conservatives name and that's enough backup to prove my name-change. Once again, as I may have used the wrong word for what I said don't worry about it; and if I made any accusations by accident then I do apologise, I guess I have a poor choice of words at times. Thanks. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Welsh Government
Hi Dai, sorry about the delay in replying, I've been away. The WG changes look OK, I like the new bit about separation of functions but I'm not sure about the length of the new introduction... reckon it should be simpler, more succinct? I guess I should contribute something myself but I'm afraid that I haven't had much time to edit lately. --Pondle (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Pondle! Delighted to hear from you. Hope your time away was enjoyable. I've been fairly short of time recently too. Real life takes priority, of course. I may have a crack at changing the intro into a summary of the article - if you haven't beaten me to it. Any suggestions/changes would be welcome, if you find the time. Brevity has never been one of my strengths (simplicity, perhaps). Daicaregos (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
GREETINGS FROM THE SEASIDE
Hello, Dai. Jump in, the water's fine! How are you? I am on holiday at the beach. The weather's HOT, the water georgeous, and I'm reading an excellent book set in the period of King Stephen and Sibyl de Neufmarché. pILLARS OF THE eARTH. You must read it. I'm on a public PC.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Jeanne. Sounds lovely. I may pass on the book. It's raining here. Just watching the birds feeding from the bird tables in my garden. We have Jays, Blackbirds, Bullfinches and various tits - Great Tits, Blue Tits and Coal Tits - so far today. Other regulars are Robins, Nuthatches, Jackdaws, Tree Sparrows and Magpies. The Jays look a little bedraggled (we seem to have a family of five), but the others are fine. We had a lovely weekend - warm and sunny, with a light breeze. We spent yesterday on the beach at Oxwich, on the Gower - it was just perfect. Glad you're having fun. All the best, Daicaregos (talk) 10:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nice to hear you have both had, or are having, a great time away. I cycled out to Balloch a number of days ago which is a little town at the start of Loch Lomond. Lovely day, and I just lay back for a few hours drinking in the scenery and catching the sun. I'm sure you will both agree that if you need your batteries recharged then swimming in a clear blue sea (Jeanne), spending a day at a beautiful beach (Dai) or just lying back catching some scenery can certainly do that. Carson101 (talk) 16:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Aye. Lucky us. Sounds like a nice trip Carson. Did you cycle down the Clyde? Daicaregos (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's almost all a cycle path Dai. Part of the way I follow the Forth and Clyde Canal out to Bowling. This map shows the full cycle route from Glasgow to Balloch and you can see the River Clyde to the left. It feels like quite a journey at times but it's worth every minute of it. Ps, sorry for replying so late, I don't manage to get down to the library every day. Carson101 (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Aye. Lucky us. Sounds like a nice trip Carson. Did you cycle down the Clyde? Daicaregos (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nice to hear you have both had, or are having, a great time away. I cycled out to Balloch a number of days ago which is a little town at the start of Loch Lomond. Lovely day, and I just lay back for a few hours drinking in the scenery and catching the sun. I'm sure you will both agree that if you need your batteries recharged then swimming in a clear blue sea (Jeanne), spending a day at a beautiful beach (Dai) or just lying back catching some scenery can certainly do that. Carson101 (talk) 16:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia pictures
Hi there. Thanks for the link, I shall read it. JAU123. JAU123 (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Carson. Welcome to the party. Daicaregos (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
RfD
Hi Diacaregos,
No I am not particularly a regular at RfD, actually I mostly translate from other WPs into English, and so sometimes come across vexacious redirects when translating.
Thank you for your comment on my talk page but I think it best to put it at the RfD itself. You are absolutely quite right that turning a redirect into an article is the best thing to do, but I don't think that was the question here. I would certainly help and support you to make the redirect into an article, albeit just a short stub, but the fact is nobody already had done so, which is why it ends up at RfD.
If you want to turn it into an article, I will support you in any way I can. I am not Superman, but am happy to copy edit, do the gnoming, whatever, to make it an article. Let me know when you start.
S. Si Trew (talk) 21:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I forgot to sign in Wikpedia style. Also I forgot to say, which I mean sincerely, thank you for talking to me on my talk page. I do appreciate your sincerety, and I am sorry if mine seems false, but please be assured it is not even if it sounds so. Si Trew (talk) 21:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your offer of support. Although it seems you may have changed your mind at the RfD earlier. As you've no doubt noticed, there is considerable opposition to an article at List of countries (indeed, it used to be an article but, as a fait accompli, was changed to a redirect). Because of this, I would not go ahead and create the article without consensus. I think it likely that an RfC on the matter will be made soon. Wikipedia policy backs up having a List of countries based on reliable sources, but many people are so convinced that their own, unsubstantiated POV is right, that any policy counter to their own opinion should be ignored. We'll see. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Incivility and lack of good faith
I appear to have been uncivil as well as not showing good faith recently. It's the most silly thing I've seen in a long time. No more comments on it from me and they can take it where they wish. Some people have a strange idea of what incivility actually means. Ah well! Carson101 (talk) 14:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- Anyone who spends their time on lists in wikipedia is generally more inclined to neatness and order that reality would dictate. Hence some of the arrogant comments on that discussion. Their orientation is bureaucratic, lowest common denominator stuff. No point in reacting. --Snowded TALK 15:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- You're right Snowded. I did react enough to show how silly it all was, but as I said there, that's enough for me. Carson101 (talk) 09:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry Carson, I meant to comment before, but I was busy with real life stuff yesterday, then I became caught up elsewhere today. Complete nonsense, wasn't it. I'm thinking of taking the canvassing thing to AN/I, as Taivo won't accept he did anything wrong. What d'ya reckon? Daicaregos (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for commenting at the page Dai. I honestly did not post this here as a request for you to comment, but it's very much appreciated all the same. As for Taivo's canvassing thing, I don't have any time today to look into it and see if that's the way to go, but I promise to check it out as soon as I can. Carson101 (talk) 15:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. I know you weren't canvassing (how ironic would that be?). Speak soon, then & thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi again Dai. I've thought on your question of taking Taivo to AN/I and I honestly believe it will only finish up as a talking shop with nothing remotely constructive coming out of it. In other word, I think it would most likely be a waste of time. That's my thoughts on it anyway Dai. Cheers! Carson101 (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Appreciate your advice, Carson. Sadly, I think you are probably right. Cheers for now, Daicaregos (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi again Dai. I've thought on your question of taking Taivo to AN/I and I honestly believe it will only finish up as a talking shop with nothing remotely constructive coming out of it. In other word, I think it would most likely be a waste of time. That's my thoughts on it anyway Dai. Cheers! Carson101 (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. I know you weren't canvassing (how ironic would that be?). Speak soon, then & thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for commenting at the page Dai. I honestly did not post this here as a request for you to comment, but it's very much appreciated all the same. As for Taivo's canvassing thing, I don't have any time today to look into it and see if that's the way to go, but I promise to check it out as soon as I can. Carson101 (talk) 15:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry Carson, I meant to comment before, but I was busy with real life stuff yesterday, then I became caught up elsewhere today. Complete nonsense, wasn't it. I'm thinking of taking the canvassing thing to AN/I, as Taivo won't accept he did anything wrong. What d'ya reckon? Daicaregos (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- You're right Snowded. I did react enough to show how silly it all was, but as I said there, that's enough for me. Carson101 (talk) 09:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello
Hi Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Jeanne. Really nice to hear from you. Hope you're having a great time. How are the waiters this year? What's happening? Daicaregos (talk) 08:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
July 2011
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Joe Calzaghe. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Seeing as you appear to be standing by your personal attack on me and your lack of good faith, i'm issueing this warning. Whether this serves a purpose or not or even matters to you i don't care. Regardless you were abusive when it wasn't called for, and appear unrepentant. A simple apology would of sufficed but instead you'd rather foster bad faith with your attitude. Mabuska (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC) Mabuska (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)