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:::::::Common sense or no, KoshVorlon has agreed in the past that if "three users in good standing" tell him to drop something, he'll do it. I'm hoping he'll stick to that. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC) |
:::::::Common sense or no, KoshVorlon has agreed in the past that if "three users in good standing" tell him to drop something, he'll do it. I'm hoping he'll stick to that. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::::::: You're correct, Worm that Turned. 3 users have told me to drop it, so consider it dropped. <span style="font face="Papyrus" size="4" font-weight:bold">[[User:KoshVorlon|<span style="color:#631C8C;">''' ''KoshVorlon''' ''</span> <span style="font-family:Rage Italic; size:4;color:#43871C;">''We are Kosh''<sup></sup></span>]]</span> 14:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC) |
:::::::::: You're correct, Worm that Turned. 3 users have told me to drop it, so consider it dropped. <span style="font face="Papyrus" size="4" font-weight:bold">[[User:KoshVorlon|<span style="color:#631C8C;">''' ''KoshVorlon''' ''</span> <span style="font-family:Rage Italic; size:4;color:#43871C;">''We are Kosh''<sup></sup></span>]]</span> 14:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC) |
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== On the MarkBernstein AE == |
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That was my bad to use the wrong thing for the santion, but I will point out that Mark has had 3 blocks that have been under the community sanctions [[WP:GS/GG]], which the latest would be the one to consider for this case : [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMarkBernstein&diff=643977194&oldid=643972302]. I would ask if I could undo the hatting to replace the reason with this one. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC) |
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- Den blomstertid nu kommer
- med lust och fägring stor.
- Du nalkas, ljuva sommar,
- då gräs och gröda gror.
- Med blid och livlig värma
- till allt som varit dött,
- sig solens strålar närma,
- och allt blir återfött.
- Israel Kolmodin, 1643 - 1709
- Sjung med psalmisten Kolmodin
- Kom nu till Hångers källa.
- Elisabet Hermodsson, b. 1927
A bowl of strawberries for you!
You're one of the people who make a difference here. Thomas.W talk 20:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC) |
How kind, Thomas. Very seasonable! Bishonen | talk 20:13, 17 June 2015 (UTC).
- There's a big chance that the strawberries are repackaged imported strawberries, though, and not äkta svenska jordgubbar. Thomas.W talk 20:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- May I add some flowers, because your meadow made my day? (Pick on top of my talk.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'd like to share a quote that I ran across while re-reading the Blessed Hooker. It's when he springs his trap in the "Preface." He proposes a grand council for settling the arguments with the Puritans, but he figures that they wouldn't abide by it, because it would have Authority, and there are no authorities except themselves, so he asks, “I would therefore know, whether for the ending of these irksome strifes. . . ye be content to refer your cause to any other higher judgment than your own, or else intend to persist and proceed as ye have begun, till yourselves can be persuaded to condemn yourselves.”
- It's one of those things I've wanted to say on a dozen occasions since, in meetings, online, with fellow left wingers, etc. (And my other favorite is Samuel Butler's: "He who is persuaded against his will/ Is of his own opinion still.") Hithladaeus (talk) 19:23, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Per Holknekt
Please take a look at the article Per Holknekt that I recently created. I am planning to nominate it for DYK in the next few days so any help or improvements are welcomed. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Very nice, Babba. I see some things I can wikilink. But it looks from the history like another user is copyediting it right now, so I'd better wait till they're done. Bishonen | talk 20:28, 20 June 2015 (UTC). PS, kom nu till Hångers källa! I denna ljuva sommartid osv. Don't forget to smell the flowers. Bishonen | talk 20:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC).
Enrico Fermi
Help! I have a problem on Enrico Fermi with an editor 115ash who is insisting that Emilio Segrè was not Fermi's student. I have Segrè's autobiography as a source, which I regard as definitive in this case. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, Hawkeye7. Segrè's autobiography A Mind Always in Motion (used as a reference in Emilio G. Segrè) is conveniently available online and does indeed make it clear Segrè was Fermi's student. But the only book by Segrè that's given as a reference in Enrico Fermi is Enrico Fermi, Physicist (1970). You probably meant to refer to A Mind Always in Motion in your edit summary "Segre was his student. See Segre pp. 48-52" — didn't you? The pages fit. Perhaps you want to add A Mind Always in Motion as a reference to Enrico Fermi, and then refer to it as "Segrè 1993" or whatever the reference system is in the article? And take it up on article talk. I can't say I see Ash doing that much insisting — he reverted you, then posted one comment about it on your page. If you explain it to him on article talk and point him to A Mind Always in Motion, I assume he'll stop insisting. Your note on Ash's talkpage is frankly not entirely explanatory. Bishonen | talk 23:29, 22 June 2015 (UTC).
- (edit conflict) (talk page stalker) It's possible that you made too many different changes in one edit. My advice would be to take them to the talk page, Talk:Enrico Fermi and explain them individually. Giving a brief quote from Segrè 1970 would help establish that he was Fermi's student, for example. I would also advise that following the RfC conducted at Template talk:Infobox person #RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion, it is most likely that the
|religion=
value ought to be removed from the article, particularly as {{infobox scientist}} doesn't implement the parameter anyway. HTH --RexxS (talk) 23:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
June 2015
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi. In regards to the post you left me on my page to which I was kind to have replied back to, I have yet, several days later not received a single word from you. Where I come from it is considered polite, good manners, responsible, mature, decent and respectful to reply back. I have no idea where you come from but where I'm from we call it rude to not reply back. Caden cool 01:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- You complain about perceived rudeness by leaving an overtly rude post. You are very funny, and please don't mistake this for a compliment. Jehochman Talk 01:41, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hmmm. OK, I posted on your page and you replied to me. How many times would you like us to reply back and forth before we can stop? Bishonen | talk 02:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC).
- Apparently, zero :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, never mind. He's upset. Bishonen | talk 12:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC).
- ... and asking to be cheered up on top of that, - not easy, - should smell the flowers perhaps. - Btw, I am out of prison and have interesting conversations about teenagers and beginners, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Gerda. I find it ironic to see you posting here considering how you proudly joined in on a thread devoted to trashing and badmouthing me as seen here: [1]. It's also ironic how Bish considered such a post devoted to bad mouthing me as just fine. How hypocritical of her, considering how she left me this post [2] where she lectured me, threatened me, and pretty much bullied me. Why Bish did you order me to not “craptalk” him but yet it was ok if he did it towards me as seen in the dif? Btw where was your evidence for this supposed “craptalk” I did? I want direct proof for that through quotes showing me doing what you accused me of. Furthermore you said :“ Please leave Cassianto alone from now on. Don't talk about him on wiki. Don't bond with the guys by badmouthing other people. I hope that's clear.” No it's not clear. Tell me why did you order me to refrain from supposedly doing all of these things yet you turned around and allowed him and others to do to me? How hypocritical is that for you to do? Your conduct as an admin was biased, hypocritical, unfair and disgraceful in regards to how you mistreated me. Your tools should be taken away from you. It's appalling to see how unfit you are to be an admin. Had you actually done your job correctly by doing your homework you'd have seen the long history that dates back to 2014. But no that would be called work so you decided to cut corners through laziness and judge me without even knowing what you were doing. I suppose it no longer matters since both the user and I made peace. One last thing, what's up with the bragging list on your user page? Looks to me as inappropriate for an admin since it can be seen as a trophy list. Caden cool 22:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Caden:, your recent comments here, on your talk page, and on my talk page indicate you are having some kind of personal crisis. it would best if you take a break and find something else to do, for your own well being. I recently admonished you for using the thanks button five times in a short period to one user. In response, you made a series of bizarre, paranoid accusations against me, making me think you aren't being rational at this time. Please take care of yourself. Viriditas (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Gerda. I find it ironic to see you posting here considering how you proudly joined in on a thread devoted to trashing and badmouthing me as seen here: [1]. It's also ironic how Bish considered such a post devoted to bad mouthing me as just fine. How hypocritical of her, considering how she left me this post [2] where she lectured me, threatened me, and pretty much bullied me. Why Bish did you order me to not “craptalk” him but yet it was ok if he did it towards me as seen in the dif? Btw where was your evidence for this supposed “craptalk” I did? I want direct proof for that through quotes showing me doing what you accused me of. Furthermore you said :“ Please leave Cassianto alone from now on. Don't talk about him on wiki. Don't bond with the guys by badmouthing other people. I hope that's clear.” No it's not clear. Tell me why did you order me to refrain from supposedly doing all of these things yet you turned around and allowed him and others to do to me? How hypocritical is that for you to do? Your conduct as an admin was biased, hypocritical, unfair and disgraceful in regards to how you mistreated me. Your tools should be taken away from you. It's appalling to see how unfit you are to be an admin. Had you actually done your job correctly by doing your homework you'd have seen the long history that dates back to 2014. But no that would be called work so you decided to cut corners through laziness and judge me without even knowing what you were doing. I suppose it no longer matters since both the user and I made peace. One last thing, what's up with the bragging list on your user page? Looks to me as inappropriate for an admin since it can be seen as a trophy list. Caden cool 22:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- ... and asking to be cheered up on top of that, - not easy, - should smell the flowers perhaps. - Btw, I am out of prison and have interesting conversations about teenagers and beginners, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, never mind. He's upset. Bishonen | talk 12:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC).
- Apparently, zero :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
As a degreed meteorologist, I have observed that big winds can come from small caves. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed, sometimes they return to them.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)- Jonathan Swift, in his allegory of the three great stages of man, points out that it can be very difficult to distinguish afflatus and just plain flatus. Hithladaeus (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- Caden, it's unexpected to see you on my page again less than a day after you banned me "from posting ever again" on yours. How do you figure that's going to turn out, you making yourself at home on my page when you don't want to see me on yours? But I'm sorry you're so upset, and I'm sorry I responded to you like I did above. Sometimes it's like I can't resist trying to be funny. :-( I would rather not have posted even the one time on your page, because it was a bad time to be reproaching you when you were already being piled on. But I had (or thought I had) little choice, after I warned you and Baseball Bugs on ANI and Bugs acknowledged that he had seen what I said. I made it clear in the ANI warning that if I couldn't be sure you'd seen it, I'd have to put something on your page. After the ANI thread was closed, I wish you would have posted a line on mine. ("If you will kindly respond here or alternatively on my page… you'll save me the trouble of putting a formal caution on your pages."[3]) Anyway, I hope you cheer up, Caden. As Viriditas says, take care of yourself. It's only a website. I'm closing this thread now, folks. Bishonen | talk 13:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC).
Haldirams controversy
Here is a link to source, as you requested: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/importrefusals/ir_detail.cfm?EntryId=9WH-1008214-7&DocId=1&LineId=26&SfxId= Norman21 (talk) 05:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks very much, Norman21. Through that link, I also found this one, which gives details and background. I've put both of them into the article with some neutral text and made a separate section (because that stuff is important, and needs to show up in the table of contents). Please take a look and see what you think — feel free to edit the article. Bishonen | talk 10:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC).
Sorry
I've done the same thing on other websites where I reply to the person that you shouldn't ever reply to, but I'll try to avoid replying to that IP again. Dustin (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good thinking, Dustin. I've given them a nice personalized warning, and I will certainly block if they persist. I see they've had a discretionary sanctions alert too, so they could be topic banned, but that's kind of useless for an IP SPA. Bishonen | talk 16:35, 24 June 2015 (UTC).
One more expression of gratitude
Bishonen, I owe you one more thanks. The discussion, currently found at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Urgent: would somebody consider snow deleting a BLP.2C please.3F is closed, so I can't comment there. So I thank you here.
My inclusionist tendencies border on "strict". But this deletion is right. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 05:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Aladdin. Starting an emergency thread on ANI was a kind of workaround around the fact that probably few admins were following the original thread any longer. It shouldn't be used often, of course — it could potentially be quite annoying — but BLPs and consideration for their subjects is very important. Glad it worked. Bishonen | talk 13:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC).
Speaking softly to say
Hello. Responses may not be rational huh? :P Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
- [Enthusiastically:] 'Twas brillig and the slithy flowers did gyre and gimble in the meadow! Come taste them! Graze, graze! Bishonen | talk 18:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC).
My meadow
Hi, thank you for your message, pleased that you like this picture (you are the second user to tell me so). The place has changed by now, the horse and the flowers have been replaced by a pine-tree grove... Cheers, --Jibi44 (talk) 10:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- Pine trees, Jibi44? As in, a pine plantation? Bishonen | talk 16:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC).
Question
Bish can you have a look at an issue I'm having with KoshVorlon? On ANI you said that User:Lucd13's user page was fine and I agree with you and so did Liz but when she tried to undo User:KoshVorlon's edits she was reverted by him (KoshVorlon) as seen here:[4] and when I tried asking him (KoshVorlon) to revert his edit I was called a troll as seen here: [5]. Can you revert the user's page back? If I do it, KoshVorlon will start back up with his personal attacks on calling me a troll etc. Caden cool 22:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- (tps) Caden, Iridescent has already reverted [6] the user page to its original state. - NQ (talk) 22:57, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Leftover from Roger Libby/Seattle Editor
What to do about this? User:Searchwriter/sandbox? Seems like it should be speedy-able as a draft of a now-deleted article by a now-indeffed user but I couldn't see where it fits in the speedy criteria. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 10:14, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, it's a sandbox. It contains material that the user might want to use for other purposes, on other websites or whatever. (Yes, you'd think he'd have it saved on his own hard drive already, but maybe not, you never know.) The user is indeffed, but that wouldn't prevent him from looking at the sandbox, maybe as an IP, and harvesting text from it. I don't want to stop that happening — we have no vendetta against him — and I'm altogether not into deleting sandboxes much, unless their owners ask me to. But I've removed the image, since it's up for deletion on Commons,[7] and Seattleditor is clearly unable to disentangle himself with any credibility from his contradictory claims in the deletion discussion there. Bishonen | talk 11:19, 27 June 2015 (UTC).
Assist if possible or interested
In this article under the subsection "Europe" fourth paragraph, I have a citation needed template added after the one comment regarding glaciers in Sweden. I have searched everywhere but cannot find anything to support that sentence. In fact, I have found little to nothing regarding glaciers in Sweden. I know good sources are available since Sweden has actually been doing glacier research for 100+ years. Anyway, if interested, can you assist me with a source even if I have to completely alter the sentence? If not, I fully understand.--MONGO 08:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- You probably know this one. It says "In the Kebnekaise Mountains of Northern Sweden of sixteen glaciers examined from 1990-2001, 14 are retreating, one is advancing and one is stable", same as you do. I don't know if you took it from them, or they from us (nah!), but anyway, they have a reference for the sentence:[8] An unhelpful reference, I must say. It's to a reliable source, a uni department, but simply to the front page of it, and I can't find anything about the specific study. I did find a reference for the sentence about Storglaciären, [9], but I realize you need more. I'll keep looking, but probably your chances are better than mine: you're a better researcher, and all that stuff is in English anyway. Bishonen | talk 09:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
- That first link is to Mauri Peltos website and he was one of the three primary editors of the Wikipedia article...so there is some back and forth on that data. I know this much...anybody using MONGO as a reference on their term paper should be 1). Publicly shamed 2). Receive a fail for the entire course 3). Thrown out of the university! So Pelto must have added that info some years back from research he uncovered...and it came from a reliable source (not Wikipedia).--MONGO 17:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- (TPS bursts in): I presume you have this one? Valter Schytt's fine article, if a little old -- but it's got a pretty good batch of references that you could chase down. Antandrus (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- (TPS 2 follows) : Glaciers and climate in northern Sweden during the 19th and 20th century. Glacier mass balance bulletin series and the Fluctuations of Glaciers series. A whole bunch of references- NQ (talk) 15:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Alrightie, is this it?. Swedish glacierfront monitoring program - compilation of data from 1990 to 2001 (pp.37-40.) - NQ (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- That most definitely looks like it. The text was not added to the article by me but is definitely derived from that data. Nice work. I searched forever and it just seemed to elude me. Thanks bunches to all of you! MONGO pleased.--MONGO 17:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Alrightie, is this it?. Swedish glacierfront monitoring program - compilation of data from 1990 to 2001 (pp.37-40.) - NQ (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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Caden
I know we may have our little differences, but after your post on my talk page Caden has continued to post on my page after I've told him to stop. He is not minding his own business in a place he doesn't belong (making amends with Lucd13). Now, he has accused me of being a liar and told me to grow up. At this point, I feel harrassed and wikihounded (he has been following my moves lately; just look at his contributions on my talk page) even though this is just the second warning. I'd like him to stop. What should I do? Diff: [10]. Callmemirela (Talk) ♑ 09:31, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Callmemirela, the only behaviour you can change is your own, and the only time to complain to admin is after you've tried your best to improve your own practice. For instance, you need to stop fiddling with your post on Lucd13's page (provoking a "new messages" banner every time), especially to add remarks about Caden. (I'm pinging Caden here since he has an objection to me posting on his page.) I seriously don't blame him for posting one more time on your page. I've no reason to believe he'll post there again as long as you leave him alone. (Don't, Caden, or you'll be in trouble.) Complaining about him on other pages counts as not leaving him alone. Also, did you notice where Lucd13 said he'd like the conversation to be at an end when you've told him what incivility you're referring to? And it's a sad fact that few people much appreciate "little reminders" about this and that that you would like them to change about themselves — perhaps especially coming from people who have offended them. And as for advising Lucd13 to "keep calm"… I actually once wrote a little essay about how it's better not to tell people to "keep calm": it's here if you're interested. I'm sure you mean well with your advice to Lucd13, but I hope you're done on his page now, and also done talking about Caden. Bishonen | talk 10:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
- By the way, do you know about pinging, Mirela? It means linking a user's name so that they get an alert that you've mentioned them. (It's much more meaningful than providing admins and experienced users with links to well-known wikipedia policies, as you do above — some touchy people even get annoyed about that, as it can be perceived as condescending, though I'm sure you didn't mean it like that in this instance. Just a little tip.) You're supposed to ping when you discuss another user. It's because you didn't ping Caden on Luc's page that Caden says "behind my back" in his post to you. Please read the info page about pinging and incorporate it into your practice. Bishonen | talk 10:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
- Thank you Bish for letting me know about this thread. Oh and Bish just so you know, yes you are welcome on my talk page, just ignore my past comment because that was said while I was upset. As for about Mirela, right now I'm very pissed off at this edit [11] of hers and I'm not going to say anything further before I say something I will regret because I'm too damn pissed off right now. Caden cool 20:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is my last message regarding this whole issue and Caden and I's disagreements that seem to explode more everyday (or more less now). I have slowly excluded myself from all pages that Caden watches that are also on my watchlist, because right now I want to forget about him and move on. I am pissed off, too. Not just Caden. Him, too, has committed errors. [12] I'm sorry but
"Time for you to apologize"
? Yes, I stand by what I wrote on Lucd13's talk page even though it was removed. You never suggested an apology. It was downright "It's time for you to apologize". "I think you should apologize for your mistake. You were proven wrong." would had been a lot more better than that nasty tone and the eventual false accusations (view below). You do not own me. I had planned on the apology once this was sorted out and I had the chance to do so. - You had accused me of being a liar and have told me to grow up. I'm sorry, but how would you had known about my post on WP:Resources? I am certain you have been wikihounding me since this started. You also knew about my post to The Traveling Man's talk page then also posted on there ([13]). One would only know that if they had been following my contributions list. [14]
- I was only suspicious about the initial source from the start. I eventually found more sources to confirm the said content. If you follow TV sources, you would know that 99% of the time, when there is news about a TV show of any kind, those sources will announce it as well. Excuse me for following how it's been with TV shows on Wikipedia and its used sources. I have not dismissed what Lucd13 said. I said I would search for sources, and I did. I also suggested to him in my edit summaries that since it's a TV show, there would be more sources. And there was (however, they came from social media which is discouraged to use), but I suppose it would be good to use them for back-up sources; I don't know.
- I am done with this crap now. This is my last message, as mentioned above. While I am getting shit for this issue, there are issues from others about it as well. Lucd13 ranted about me with rather uncivil comments and insults and Caden was using a rude tone to his messages on my talk page (WP:Civility seems to be apart of this, but I can't confirm since it's not intense but it is very unhelpful and rude) and has seemingly wikihounded me. I am done. I want to move on. I am tired of arguing. I have apologized; Lucd13 has forgiven me. I want this issue to be over. I'm sorry for not pinging; I'm sorry for the behind-the-back talk. I'm sorry for the whole mess, but I also wish Caden be less "possessive", if you will. I have promised to be more careful in the future (I am working on a solution for edit warring stuff). Callmemirela (Talk) ♑ 21:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
- Mirela, by "wikihounding" you seem to mean "looking at my contributions list", since you blame Caden for even knowing about a post of yours. That's not what the word means, and the contributions link is there for a reason; it's meant to be used. But you should both give each other a wide berth from now on. I know it can be difficult to let go and move on, I've experienced it myself; I'm glad you've resolved to try. I hope you feel better soon. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC).
- This is my last message regarding this whole issue and Caden and I's disagreements that seem to explode more everyday (or more less now). I have slowly excluded myself from all pages that Caden watches that are also on my watchlist, because right now I want to forget about him and move on. I am pissed off, too. Not just Caden. Him, too, has committed errors. [12] I'm sorry but
- Thank you Bish for letting me know about this thread. Oh and Bish just so you know, yes you are welcome on my talk page, just ignore my past comment because that was said while I was upset. As for about Mirela, right now I'm very pissed off at this edit [11] of hers and I'm not going to say anything further before I say something I will regret because I'm too damn pissed off right now. Caden cool 20:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Responded. Bishonen | talk 11:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
About your note on my talk page
Bishonen, about your note on my page, I explained in detail on Luc13's page why his posting is Polemic, I've demonstrated that it meets the definition of Polemic as defined on that same page . I have to admit, I'm a bit suprised to see you post that it doesn't apply to talk pages. Yes, I realize that we have flexability as to what we can do and say on our talkpages, and believe it or not , I agree with that, however, posting Polemic statements doesn't fall under "just being flexible" , it's not accepted. Take a look at WP:POLEMIC and you'll see that there's no exemptions given anywhere for polemic statements, 3RR for example, is given an exemption when it's for BLP purposes, polemic has no such exemption, nor does it have any exemption. So, I'm carrying out policy by removing the polemic message from Lucd13's page. Regarding my edit summary to Caden, that was me being sarcastic. I've got a dry sense of humor, and it definetly doesn't come out well online at all, but, it was sarcasm, not incivility, but if you like, I'll revert my removal of Caden's message so that's back on my page. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 10:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- KoshVorlon, you are not "carrying out policy" even if you're following WP:POLEMIC to the letter, since, as has been explained to you repeatedly, you claiming that something is "a policy" is not going to make it one and you are never going to get consensus to make WP:POLEMIC a policy (you're welcome to try, just to see how quickly you get shot down; I would also point out that if "content unrelated to wikipedia should be removed" were a policy, your own user page would be first in the sights). As Bishonen has been too polite to point out, you're not just skirting on the edges of a block for disruption, but given your history you're within a hair's breadth of a WP:CIR indefblock. Let it drop. – iridescent 11:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, and if you're really so keen on enforcing policy, do something about that ridiculous 286-character sig, given that the 255 character limit is a Wikipedia policy. – iridescent 11:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, Iridescent. What he said, KoshVorlon. Also I don't know what you mean that I posted WP:POLEMIC "doesn't apply to talk pages". No talkpages have been involved AFAIK. It does apply to userpages, assuming that was what you meant, but it's not relevant to that userpage and the material on it. I honestly don't know why that's so hard to grasp and why you're eternally "surprised" about it. I'm damned if I'll explain yet again. And if you know your "dry sense of humor", which I would call something else, doesn't come across well online, why do you post it on Wikipedia? I can't say I care if you restore Caden's post or not, and I doubt he does either. The edit summary was the problem, not the removal. Bishonen | talk 11:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
- @Iridescent: Have a look at this. My rather mild comment there earned me this rebuke. KV's claims about POLEMIC are completely incorrect. Johnuniq (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, people have been complaining about that sig for literally years; a glance over the history of his talkpage will show that he thinks Wikipedia policies apply to everyone else, not him. At some point, presumably either someone will salt the page he transcludes it from, or one of the more colourful characters will notice that he's using a subst'ed signature and he'll realise the hard way just why we discourage them so strongly. Trust me, the sig is not the most glaring WP:CIR issues here. – iridescent 11:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Iridescent, please quote that sentance fully " Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia, or statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors, persons, or other entities..." On Luc13's page he's posting content that attacks or vilifys a group of editors. It's therefore a polemic statement. Regarding my signature, people have complained for various reasons about my signature, most because they hate artistic signatures of any sort, however, your complaint's valid, my signature's too long, so I'll shorten it right now. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 12:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- When the target is "the entire Wikipedia community" it's not singling out an editor or group thereof. Can I just add my voice to the "drop it" camp? WormTT(talk) 12:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Kosh, for the last time WP:POLEMIC is not a Wikipedia policy so your angels-on-pinheads arguments as to whether it's been breached (it hasn't) are irrelevant.
- WTT, just to put things in perspective this is the user who performed this edit; I really wouldn't hold out too much hope of common sense sinking in. – iridescent 12:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Common sense or no, KoshVorlon has agreed in the past that if "three users in good standing" tell him to drop something, he'll do it. I'm hoping he'll stick to that. WormTT(talk) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- You're correct, Worm that Turned. 3 users have told me to drop it, so consider it dropped. KoshVorlon We are Kosh 14:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Common sense or no, KoshVorlon has agreed in the past that if "three users in good standing" tell him to drop something, he'll do it. I'm hoping he'll stick to that. WormTT(talk) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- When the target is "the entire Wikipedia community" it's not singling out an editor or group thereof. Can I just add my voice to the "drop it" camp? WormTT(talk) 12:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Iridescent, please quote that sentance fully " Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia, or statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors, persons, or other entities..." On Luc13's page he's posting content that attacks or vilifys a group of editors. It's therefore a polemic statement. Regarding my signature, people have complained for various reasons about my signature, most because they hate artistic signatures of any sort, however, your complaint's valid, my signature's too long, so I'll shorten it right now. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 12:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, people have been complaining about that sig for literally years; a glance over the history of his talkpage will show that he thinks Wikipedia policies apply to everyone else, not him. At some point, presumably either someone will salt the page he transcludes it from, or one of the more colourful characters will notice that he's using a subst'ed signature and he'll realise the hard way just why we discourage them so strongly. Trust me, the sig is not the most glaring WP:CIR issues here. – iridescent 11:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Iridescent: Have a look at this. My rather mild comment there earned me this rebuke. KV's claims about POLEMIC are completely incorrect. Johnuniq (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
On the MarkBernstein AE
That was my bad to use the wrong thing for the santion, but I will point out that Mark has had 3 blocks that have been under the community sanctions WP:GS/GG, which the latest would be the one to consider for this case : [15]. I would ask if I could undo the hatting to replace the reason with this one. --MASEM (t) 22:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)