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Great work on the Detroit related historic sites. As a former Detroiter and history buffs, I am pleased to see that someone is putting in the effort on the city's abundant historic sites ... and doing so before it's too late. I was back in Detroit in August and was appalled to see the condition of many of the historic sites, including the old Michigan Central train station. Many of these places aren't going to be around much longer, simply out of neglect ... what a shame.[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 05:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Hello
Thanks for your note on my talk page! I'm glad you decided to stick around, since William E. Metzger and your other articles are very good. If you have any questions or run into any problems in the future, I'd be happy to help. Please don't hesitate to drop me a line. henrik•talk 13:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Excellent
Hi Andrew Jameson. Your article on Leo M. Franklin is excellent; I hope you'll consider adding some of that information and anything else you want to Jewish community in Omaha. Great job. • Freechild'sup? 22:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I actually hadn't footnoted the article properly because I found the syntax awfully confusing, so I originally opted to punt. Your template spurred me to actually figure out how to do it right. Andrew Jameson (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Highland Park as enclave
I didn't write any of that, of course. But Highland Park, Michigan and Hamtramck, Michigan are both 'islands within the sea of Detroit', so to speak. I.e., they are cities within Detroit's city limits. So maybe "enclave" might adequately describe them. OTOH, maybe your critique is temporal, not mainly spatial. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC) Stan 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Stan
- Yeah; my critique is temporal. Highland Park is (arguably, as it abuts Hamtramk and so is not completely surrounded by Detroit, but let's ignore that) an enclave in 2008; it wasn't an enclave in 1910. Describing it as such in an historical context is inaccurate.Andrew Jameson (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: NRHP infobox
I'll take a look at the articles as my time permits. The infobox template with documentation is at {{Infobox nrhp}}. There's more information at WP:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Help for editors. • Gene93k (talk) 21:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
A new town article needs your services. Thanks. 17:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Stan
I think a location map, etc, might be good.7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Stan
Image copyright problem with Image:Woodward Ave Presbyterian Church.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:Woodward Ave Presbyterian Church.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- DoneAndrew Jameson (talk) 19:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Cut and paste
Pasted over from AN in case you missed it. Woody (talk) 14:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The content of Harry Kelly was cut and pasted into the brand new page Harry Kelly (politician), and the former page turned into a disambiguation page. That means the page history of the content at Harry Kelly (politician) is still in the history at Harry Kelly, without connection between the two. I *think* this needs fixing, but a) I'm not really sure of the policy, and b) I'm not sure how to actually go about "fixing" this.
To be clear, I'm *not* in any way objecting to the existance of the disambiguation, just wondering about the divorce between content and history. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- It was dealt with by PeaceNT. Yes, this is completely against policy. For GFDL reasons we need the edit history and cut and paste moves are not allowed. If you notice one please list it at the Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thanks for letting us know. Woody (talk) 11:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks, really appreciate your new articles and photos, the other metro Detroit editors are sure to be delighted at your contributions too. The house photos are great, Hecker House, Freer house, etc. Have really wanted these. There are so many more too. Need many more like Bishop Gallagher House [1], the restored Inn at 97 Winder [2], Berry Gordy House, Fisher brother houses, etc., Detroit1701 [3] has a number of these historic residences that it would be nice to have the photos to create articles. Also need Edsel and Eleanor Ford House photos and other Grosse Pointe including the Grosse Pointe War Memorial Russell Alger Mansion [4].
Regarding the Thompson Home, as a George Mason work it is certainly significant. The multi-unit/apartments can be placed under the architecture template instead of the historic homes template.
Noticed that you have a number of new biographical articles that are indeed needed, the new people should be added to list of people from Detroit and List of people from Michigan, in case I missed them.
Would like to make a template or amend yours for the churches/religious landmarks in order to organize them. Again thanks. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Kresge house and Ford house picture had already caught my attention. FYI I'm looking forward to seeing you add the update to the NRHP. That caught my attention also. Great work. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 01:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Nice article, glad it was announced in new articles section of wp:NRHP (i assume it was u announcing it). Interesting mention of ribbon farms, sure that is worth an article. I haven't heard that exact term, which may be local to Michigan, but i know that land partitioning was done that way in other places such as in French canada for plots along the St. Lawrence River (very visible to this day, from the air). Hmm.... here is one graphic showing it, not exactly as i understood it though, at Seigneurial system of New France. Anyhow, keep up the good work! doncram (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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NRHP
Are you ready to post your NRHP reorganization list? Could put yours in the Wayne county list and put what is there at the end of the Detroit list. Looks good. Let's go ahead.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Oops! ... my bad ... I'll fix it. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 03:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- All fixed. Great pix, by the way, and thanks for your contributions. I've made it my hobby this year to photograph all of the NRHPs in San Francisco. It looks like you're doing something similar with Detroit. Keep 'em comin'! --Sanfranman59 (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Great pic! You'll notice that I renamed the article ... "complex" is an NPS term meant to indicate that the listing includes more than one resource, and is not used by the general public, I'm sure (much less the church itself). You don't always have to use the Register's name for the property ... project standards and naming conventions are pretty clear that a popular name takes precedence.
I'm also going to convert it to {{infobox religious building}}, which will allow use of the image at a larger size and more pertinent info plus a section for NRHP info. Daniel Case (talk) 16:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Typo?
Hi Andrew ... the note you added to the description column for Wayne State University Buildings in the Detroit NRHP list reads: "Three buildings, including what was once a provat home (now the Mackenzie House) ..." I don't recognize "provat" and couldn't find it in any online dictionary. I'm guessing it's a typo for "private", but thought I'd check with you before changing it. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 21:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
photo for Ste. Claire (passenger steamboat)
Hi, i notice you just added a photo from the NPS Focus system for Ste. Claire (passenger steamboat). It adds to the article, and I appreciate your adding it. I hope you will welcome this feedback. I note that your argument for its public domain status is not exactly correct, and I am concerned that it should not set an incorrect example.
I do agree that the photo is in the public domain, but I believe it is the public domain for its age and not because it is available at a National Park Service website and not because it was taken by a Federal employee. There are many photos available in the NPS websites which are NOT public domain. See my discussion of NPS copyright statements etc on this exact point, at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#some but not all National Park Service photos are public domain. Also, while it is now stated by your use of a certain template that "This image or media file contains material based on a work of a National Park Service employee, created during the course of the person's official duties", in fact the photo taker is unknown and there is no reason to believe it was taken by a Federal employee.
Also, I would recommend cropping the photo to remove the label, but put the entire label text into the photo description. See, for example, the description of another NPS Focus photo, for this photo which I cropped to remove a label and uploaded to commons .
And finally, did you upload to wikipedia or to Commons? It is preferred to upload to commons.wikimedia.org for various reasons, including that other projects such as language versions of wikipedia can access the photos there.
Hope this is not too much feedback all at once. It happens that i really focus a lot on these exact matters. doncram (talk) 03:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Got your reply to my talk page, thanks for responding and for being very positive.
- The NPS tag name "PD-USGov-NPS" is indeed itself a problem, as it appears to you and has appeared to others to be meant for all pics at NPS sites. But the language it generates makes it relevant to only some pics at NPS sites, those where it is identified that a Federal NPS employee took the pic (not relevant to this one pic). I agree there is a problem about what tags are or should be available.
- I've been using the more general "PD-USGov" tag instead, which is the tag put in place when you go through the commons upload process and select Federal government. However, as in the Ingham pic example above, that generates other specific language which I am not sure about either: "because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code. See Copyright". On the other hand, i am sure the PD-USGov-NPS language is inappropriate here, and yes i pretty much regard that tag as so misleading as to be "useless".
- Your posting also added the text "Website explicitly states "Public Domain"" which i don't believe is justified, the term Public Domain does not appear at the NPS Focus search page that you link to. Again, the NPS copyright statements page linked from above under "some but not all National Park Service photos are public domain" is very clear that not all pics on NPS webpages are public domain. Hmm, i see where you may have gotten that, amidst this output when you search for Ste Claire:
STE. CLAIRE (steamer) [Image] URL: http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NHLS/Text/79001177.pdf Link will open in a new browser window URL: http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NHLS/Photos/79001177.pdf Link will open in a new browser window Publisher: National Park Service Published: 11/02/1979 Access: Public access Restrictions: Public domain Format/Size: Physical Document with text, photos and map
- Hmm, I forgot about that being there. I think that the appearance of "public domain" is effectively a widespread error in the NPS Focus system. I believe it might have been meant to refer to the nomination text, also provided there, and it is careless programming to have that show willy-nilly as it does. It is certainly understandable you would want to rely upon that, but in my view legally about the photos it is over-ridden by the clear Copyright policy NPS gives elsewhere. Hmm.
- Good, glad to see yes you are using Commons.
- To go forward, maybe we both could edit the presentation for that Ste. Claire pic, then review/edit the others? And i guess i need to raise the more general tag issues at Commons or somewhere; i will put that on list of pretty big tasks to try to address. Thanks! doncram (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- I have not looked at all your recent photo additions, but i do note that "Image:SS City of Milwaukee.jpg" is one which i believe needs to be dropped. Your understandable reliance upon the above reasoning notwithstanding, the photo appears to be NOT public domain, it is specifically credited to a non-Federal employee and the NPS guidelines are clear. It is good enough for the NPS to use, but in wikipedia we need public domain status or a broader permission under a free license to include the photo. doncram (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Got your followup, thank you for replying again. I appreciate that you wish to interpret the "public domain" mention within the NPS photo system to indicate that it is a specific release of the photo into the public domain. That position is not unreasonable, although I think it is incorrect: the system is not specific that the words "public domain" refer to the photos, and it offers that phrase up for every site in the database, while the separate NPS copyright statement clarifies that not all photos are public domain. I did once wish to interpret it the way you do, I recall specifically pointing to that screen (though it was so long ago I would not be able to find the discussion). However, I was eventually convinced by the NPS copyright statement and by other arguments that the public domain statement there does not govern. I really don't want to argue. I just like to create articles about NRHPs, and I believe that is what you want to do as well, and that we are both well-meaning. However, either if you disagreed with my view (as you do) or even if you agreed, I would have to put up the photograph for deletion under the copyright violation processes. Even if you agreed, you would not be able to delete your own photo, i think, so i would be putting it up for deletion either way. Anyhow, there is a bureaucratic process now which I will start towards deleting the photo, which will take a couple weeks probably, in which you will be allowed to comment. But, as with similar photographs that I have reluctantly put up for deletion, I expect that the deletion will happen. I hope you will fully understand that it is nothing personal, no disrepect is meant, and it is just a bureaucratic grinding out of what has to be done. I will start that process now for "Image:SS City of Milwaukee.jpg", and I guess for completeness i need to review the other photos you uploaded around that time. You will get official notices on your talk page. Please do feel free to respond within the bureaucratic process as much as you wish. It will be administrators, not me, who make the final judgment. I hope that you will not be too frustrated by the process, and I do hope you will upload more NPS photos, but selectively according to whether the photographer was a Federal employee or otherwise public domain status can be properly asserted. Respectfully, doncram (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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Detroit articles
Great work on the Detroit related historic sites. As a former Detroiter and history buffs, I am pleased to see that someone is putting in the effort on the city's abundant historic sites ... and doing so before it's too late. I was back in Detroit in August and was appalled to see the condition of many of the historic sites, including the old Michigan Central train station. Many of these places aren't going to be around much longer, simply out of neglect ... what a shame.Cbl62 (talk) 05:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)