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Sorry for stepping on your toes while dancing on [[radio frequency]]. It looked like you were finished, so I stepped in to resolve the sortability of the frequency and wavelength columns. —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 19:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
Sorry for stepping on your toes while dancing on [[radio frequency]]. It looked like you were finished, so I stepped in to resolve the sortability of the frequency and wavelength columns. —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 19:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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NOTE: Status is currently intermittent for the foreseeable future. Comments may not be answered in short order. This does not imply the violation of any of the Wikipedia policies. I sign on when I can. My current access to wikipedia is not stable and as such I will not be on much. Wikipedia also has grown more closed and biased since my first edits and that saddens me. So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish. J. D. Redding 19:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC) |
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Fringe science : Perpetual motion : History of perpetual motion machines
From time to time I'll respond here and delete the old content; I'll leave them for a few weeks (mostly ... but lately I just clear them off the talk page; see history if you want the archive). J. D. Redding 01:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Books I own
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Partial listing
- Ben Ikenson (2004). Patents : Ingenious Inventions, How They Work and How They Came to Be. Black Dog & Leventhal Publishers. 288 pages.
- Iannini, R. E. (2003). Electronic gadgets for the evil genius: 21 build-it-yourself projects. TAB electronics. New York: McGraw-Hill.
- Valone, T. (2002). Harnessing the wheelwork of nature: Tesla's science of energy. Kempton, Ill: Adventure Unlimited Press.
- Tesla, N., & Childress, D. H. (2000). The Tesla papers. Kempton, Ill: Adventures Unlimited.
- Trefil, J. S. (1992). 1001 things everyone should know about science. New York: Doubleday.
- Burke, J. (1978). Connections. Boston: Little, Brown.
- Graf, R. F. (1974). Radio Shack dictionary of electronics. Fort Worth, Tex: Radio Shack.
- Grafstein, P., & Schwarz, O. B. (1971). Pictorial handbook of technical devices. New York: Chemical Pub. Co.
- Singer, C. J., & Williams, T. I. (1954). A History of Technology. Oxford: Clarendon Press (Volume 1 to 5)
- Encyclopaedia Britannica, inc. (1957). Encyclopedia Britannica 1957. Chicago, Ill: Encyclopaedia Britannica.
- Chisholm, H. (1922). The Encyclopædia britannica; the new volumes, constituting, in combination with the twenty-nine volumes of the eleventh edition, the twelfth edition of that work, and also supplying a new, distinctive, and independent library of reference dealing with events and developments of the period 1910 to 1921 inclusive. London: Encyclopædia Britannica, Co. (Volume 1 to 3)
External articles, papers, and publications
Responses
So Long, and Thanks for the all comments
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Hi, I am a more than a little puzzled by what has appeared lately in this article. The new text is referenced to some very old works, much of them dating from the 19th century and thus predating almost all modern atmospheric and electrical science. The intro, for example, contains "There is always free electricity in the air and in the clouds". The meaning of "electricity" as used here is very archaic -- the modern term is 'charge'. It has been referenced to a book on telegraphy that dates to 1885. The next sentence is referenced to a work of 1848. I am assuming that the text in the article owes much to the original, if so, it shows that its author was not fully at ease with terms like 'charge', 'ionised' and 'field'. Nor, really, could he have been; the concept of the electric field was not properly developed until the 1850s-1860s when Maxwell extended Faraday's lines of force into a form closer to the modern interpretation.
In 'Description', there's some reference to M. Petier; I am guessing this is Jean Charles Athanase Peltier? But he was writing in the early 19th century, predating almost all of the advances made in electrical science. The Earth is not negative, as Petier suggests, it is at zero potential by definition; assumed to be an infinite source of equal amounts of positive and negative charge. "The electric atmosphere is the most frequent cause which deters or prevents electrical transmissions": I presume that "electrical transmissions" means the use of the electrical telegraph? It's not the modern meaning of the term electrical transmission.
If one were writing an article on this subject for a Wikipedia of the 1870s, then I guess that something like this article might result. But it is terribly misleading, behind the times by a century and a half in places, and full of archaic expressions that have changed in meaning in the intervening time. — BillC talk 00:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- The article is a work in progress. I have been slowly building this page. I believe I started the article ... and have been adding to it over time ... it is not terribly misleading as IYO. If one has any knowledge of history and has look into this subject then it's not atleast. Archaic expressions? not IMHO, but YMMV. But then again some people think the edison effect and the Tesla effect are "archaic".
- The Earth does have a negative charge. Electrical engineers that use applied science have stated this. Nikola Tesla, for example, has stated this. There are otheres though.
- No ... this is the electrical transmissions, but not necessarily power transmissions. The electric atmosphere is the most frequent cause which deters or prevents electrical transmissions, wired and wireless.
- I have not been able to confirm M. Petier first name ... J. C. A. Petier may not be him ...
- The modern interpretation is due to Heaviside and Gibbs. I did alot on Heaviside a bit ago ... it's too bad that he "took out" parts of Maxwell's elegance to make into vectors.
- Feel free to improve the article. But don't remove information simply because you don't understand the information. Thanks.
- J. D. Redding 14:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC) ... tired this morning ...not alot of time either to answer fully ...
- Whoever said anything about not understanding the information? I am saying the information in the article is a hundred and fifty years out of date. You simply cannot present information from text books that date from the middle of the century before last in a science article, not if the science has moved on since then. Which it has, enormously. (I withdraw my comment about the Earth being electrically neutral, this is an engineering definition.) — BillC talk 00:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of Egon Schweidler
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Please stop re-adding the link to a site which fails policy on reliable sources and the guideline on external links. You should also be aware of the three revert rule and try to provide summaries with every edit you make. Thank you. --Folantin (talk) 16:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
radio frequency
Sorry for stepping on your toes while dancing on radio frequency. It looked like you were finished, so I stepped in to resolve the sortability of the frequency and wavelength columns. —EncMstr 19:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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