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:::There's nothing wrong with doing that, but it's generally not necessary. Unless there's a significant movement to unblock the editor, it doesn't really matter too much whether the stated block rationale is "vandalism-only" or "disruptive sock" (assuming both are accurate descriptors). It is a good idea to tag Clone0's page with a sockpuppet template, though - it helps keep track of the socks of a particular editor. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC) |
:::There's nothing wrong with doing that, but it's generally not necessary. Unless there's a significant movement to unblock the editor, it doesn't really matter too much whether the stated block rationale is "vandalism-only" or "disruptive sock" (assuming both are accurate descriptors). It is a good idea to tag Clone0's page with a sockpuppet template, though - it helps keep track of the socks of a particular editor. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC) |
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Your "heresy" speech on AIDS reappraisal completely rocks. I'm going to borrow from it in future disputes :)! - <span style="font-family: cursive">[[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]]</span> 01:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC) |
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For administrative bravery
File:Haig-award.png | The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar & the General Alexander Haig Medal of Honor | |
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Fred Singer Page
With all due respect I still have an outstanding objection to the Newsweek source on WP:BLP/N as constituting a conflict of interest. It does not. Nor does that source indicate that Singer was actually even at the meeting.
As for the Monbiot piece my agreement on WP:BLP/N was conditional on my being able to characterize Mondiot's position and motives which I have tried to do in a good faith way. A review of the pages history will show that those who want the Monbiot piece in this section are refusing to allow me to introduce a modest piece of text to that effect which is clearly already part of the Monbiot BLP, so it should be considered unbiased on my part.
I will update my points on WP:BLP/N to reflect this action on their part.
--GoRight 01:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hold on. I am considering my position here given the revised title of the section. I'll get back to you.
- --GoRight 01:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Since you changed the title of the section to remove the allegation of a conflict of interest, and given that the GW section contained Monbiot's criticism within that section, I moved both of these quotes into their respective sections, labeled them as criticism, and removed the empty section. This improves the article because the criticism is presented within the context of what it is discussing. Is this acceptable to you? --GoRight 02:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Let's discuss this on the article talk page to centralize things where other editors will notice them. MastCell Talk 05:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
We allow this to be an article? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 04:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- It's actually an excellent example of the limitations of Wikipedia. There really is some notable controversy over mandatory vaccination. There are plenty of sources available to cover it neutrally and well, and to discuss relevant aspects like the history of resistance to vaccination and the debate over public health vs. individual liberties. But instead, the article is a magnet for fringe/psuedoscience POV-pushers who insist that the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is a reliable medical source which "rebuts" the Cochrane Library. Creating something encyclopedic on the topic is a discouraging problem. But: it's actually been cleaned up remarkably from its earlier state; there's an ongoing effort to cleanse the Augean Stables that are Wikipedia's articles on vaccination and autism. User:Eubulides and User:SandyGeorgia are putting in a lot of work and deserve a Medal of Honor for their hard work; any help would be welcome. I do think it's a fair topic for an article, though - this is probably one of those fringe views that's received enough mainstream coverage/rebuttal to be notable under WP:FRINGE. MastCell Talk 05:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- I respect that there are valid reasons to not get vaccinated. I also respect that a great article could be written about these reasons. But the whole crap about autism and such is scaring people--pertussis is on the rise because of this kind of thinking. But of course, people believe that aliens visit from distant galaxies.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, and in an ideal world we could cover both the vaccine-autism concept and alien visitation in a reasonable, neutral way. It's theoretically very easy, since there are an abundance of good sources characterizing the various viewpoints. But fringe theories tend to be over-represented on Wikipedia, both in terms of number of adherents and in terms of their single-minded determination. I can name a half-dozen accounts dedicated primarily to advancing vaccination-related fringe theories, and another half-dozen dedicated to arguing that secondhand smoke is harmless. There are few or no correspondingly, er, dedicated accounts arguing a mainstream position on specific issues. This creates an artificial view of how popular or well-supported these fringe theories are, since their representation on Wikipedia far outweighs their representation in the real world. But I'm sure you already knew all this - it's just a problem that seems somewhat intractable, so I thought I'd spell it out. MastCell Talk 00:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK, and this is why I blow a gasket every week. People come to Wikipedia as if this place speaks the TRUTH!!!!! Of course, science, being nuanced and theoretical, doesn't even know how to spell truth. But those who espouse those fringe theories write as if it is the truth, and people believe it. What if 10 people decide to not vaccinate their kids because of what is written here? Who helps those kids? I guess I've got be passionate about it, because it's scary if no one is. Well, I guess I'm taking the viewpoint that I have to win one battle at a time. I rewrote Herpes zoster because a lot of BS alternative crap floated in there. But I wonder how many articles have not been cleaned up, and people are making medical choices based on what they read here. Sigh. Of course, then I watch over articles in Evolution and Creationism, extinction events and other locations. All of them give me heartburn. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 02:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Make sure your vaccinations are up to date before travelling there!....;-) It's one of the most contentious topics in alternative medicine, and one of the most dangerous in real life. What's worst is that it is the children who pay the price. It's a very emotional topic. -- Fyslee / talk 06:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
On a philosophical note, I've always been puzzled that for all of modern medicine's failings, the real vitriol and denialism is reserved for the interventions that have been most remarkably successful. If I were to name 3 or 4 of the greatest triumphs of modern medicine, in terms of a beneficial impact on overall public health, they would be: vaccination; the identification of HIV as the cause of AIDS and the development of extraordinarily effective treatments in a remarkably short time frame; prevention of cardiovascular disease through the identification and modification of risk factors; and coordinated anti-smoking efforts which have dramatically dropped the rate of new lung cancers and even brought down the overall cancer rate. Yet each of these areas attracts a dedicated hard core of contrarians (nowhere more so than at Wikipedia). Leaving aside the vaccination issue, look at AIDS reappraisal, lipid hypothesis/THINCS, and passive smoking (mind you, all have dramatically improved in terms of WP:WEIGHT during the time I've watched them, though I can't take too much credit for that). It's one of those things; I'm sure there's a clear, simple sociological explanation for it, but I haven't figured it out yet. MastCell Talk 07:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- The explanation is both philosophical and political. Alternative medicine isn't just a number of different therapies and theories, it is also a culture where anti-science, anti-medical, and anti-authoritarian sentiments are very actively promoted. Conspiracy theories are rampant, and any lie or distortion is considered allowable. With a total distrust of reliable sources of information, one finds editors here who are single purpose accounts seemingly drawn only to nonsensical and dangerous ideas. They reject common sense and avoid articles where it predominates. It's a weird phenomena and should not be underestimated since many prominent persons actively whip up the passions of these people for their own profit, and the profits are enormous, really, really, huge. Kevin Trudeau and Joseph Mercola come to mind. There are many others. Non-science and nonsense are pretty much synonymous in that world. At the same time many people in that world are more moderate and limit their interests to lifestyle changes and sensible living habits. Hey, that's great, and they are actually just following what science and medicine has discovered and is teaching. -- Fyslee / talk 07:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know that I agree; I think many areas of alternative medicine are actually quite rational, and in any case they are often truly complementary in that they address areas traditionally overlooked by mainstream medicine. Those areas are obviously meaningful to a lot of people, as the popularity of alternative medicine attests. I think it's also a useful indication of the areas where mainstream medicine is failing to meet peoples' needs. I've been around long enough to know that there are more things in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy; after all, you can hardly go a day in the clinic without seeing something that defies textbook medical explanation.
- That said, there is certainly a continuum of alt-med which encompasses an awful lot of snake oil. There's a lot of money to be made and practically no regulation, which is a bad combination. And I do have very little patience for people who rail at Big Pharma (which, for all its nefarious deeds, is at least on some level accountable, subject to regulation, and required to prove its products actually work before selling them) and then turn around and hawk their utterly unregulated supplement blend. MastCell Talk 07:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well stated, Mastcell. I couldn't agree more.. on all points. I think vaccination is one of those concepts that became a symbol of the pharmaceutical approach back in the days when competing methods were all vying to be the nations caretakers. It became a lightening rod for those who supported and those against the concept of medications made from 'germs' that were meant to be used on the healthy. There had to be a huge amount of trust involved, or blind faith. I imagine it wouldn't have made it too far without government support. Ultimately, the problem was that to protect the public, it required that those who did not want to participate had to 'for the good of the community, adding another 'freedom of choice' issue to the mix. It was a recipe for resistance. I suspect that the vaccination wars were hard fought on both sides and there were lots of casualties with lingering hard feelings that those that defend probably don't even understand, but just continue to repeat. The resistance almost dissappeared after small pox was eradicated - mostly because they stopped making people get it - until the advent of the flu and chicken pox vaccines and now of course, the human papillomavirus. There must still be an element of disbelief that leads to distrust. The challenge is to break through the disbelief. Easier said than done, but needs to come through in the article. -- Dēmatt (chat) 04:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
My edit to the William Connolley vanity page
My edit to William Connolley's page wasn't sourced by anyone other than William Connolley himself, when he edited it. So you are wrong (and apparently not entirely truthful). --71.232.157.145 07:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I've notified this editor that I would seek an immediate and permanent ban if s/he kept up this kind of thing which we've seen before - making attack edits on Wikipedia in pursuit of an intra-Wiki dispute. Obviously the warning has done no good, so I'd like to request that you impose the appropriate block. Having been through this kind of thing myself, I don't believe that actions like this deserve second chances. Rather, let's take note of the IP and writing style to reimpose the block if this person turns up again. Best wishes JQ 12:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
AIT Talk Page
Since you offered advice earlier I would like to take the opportunity to ask for some more. If you review the recent discussions on the AIT Talk page regarding Steven Milloy and a "vote" I proposed to gauge the relative size of the factions on either side of the issue. I would appreciate any advice you would offer on how best to proceed. I believe that the behavior of the other editors with respect to this vote speaks volumes regarding their intent to negotiate in good faith on this topic. As I clearly state the vote is non-binding and the outcome will only be used to determine whether mediation would be a reasonable next step. --GoRight 18:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- There's a pretty strong ethic on Wikipedia that "voting is evil", or, more accurately, that polling is not a substitute for discussion. I think that's what you're running up against, though it probably could have been phrased a bit more helpfully since it's hardly intuitive. It's fine to take a straw poll if it's unclear where certain editors stand, but even that can raise a few hackles. Anyhow, I think the "good" news is that it's reasonably clear where particular editors stand, and if you're interested in pursuing it then dispute resolution steps (like soliciting outside input via request for comment or the reliable sources noticeboard) would be a reasonable next step. MastCell Talk 19:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. --GoRight 20:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to draw your attention to an edit war that occurred on the An Inconvenient Truth talk page today. Note that two of the users involved were in a group from an edit war over an in-line link to a category page. Their actions on the AIT talk page amount to censorship, IMHO, and if they persist I wish to escalate the matter. I have contacted each of the three on their talk pages concerning this matter and asked that they stop censoring the dialog there.
Any assistance or advice on how to proceed would be appreciated.
--GoRight (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
new template?
I haven't seen this template before; where did you find it? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- It's {{spam-warn-deletion}}; there is also {{nn-warn-deletion}} for A7 deletions. They're better than the "warning" tags since they make clear that the article has actually been deleted. I don't think they exist for the other speedy categories, though. Can't remember how I discovered them... old age and all. MastCell Talk 20:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- There are a few more here: Category:CSD warning templates. MastCell Talk 20:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Marquay Love
Love is still with the Dolphins. I will re-create the page.►Chris NelsonHolla! 15:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK. Let me know if you'd rather I restore the deleted version. MastCell Talk 16:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- It's no big deal, already done. I won't re-create Christopher Vedder though, you were right to delete it.►Chris NelsonHolla! 16:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Your block of Evidence storage
I find myself in disagreement with your block of the Evidence storage account, for reasons I have explained at User talk:Evidence storage. I would appreciate your comments there. Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Jeremythedgehog (Sonicrules) sock
This user you blocked is actually a sock of User:Sonicrules2, and he has created yet another account, and has already made a threating and disruptive edit. User:Crashofthetitans, is the new sock, please see that he is dealt with. Thanks. Atomic Religione (talk) 06:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Userfy an article for me, please?
MastCell, could you please userfy the article "Highland Capital Partners" that you deleted? It had an expired PROD and you deleted it "03:55, 15 November 2007". Just drop it into some subpage of mine. I just want to see how different the remake is. Also, can you tell me the user that created the original page? Thank you. —ScouterSig 16:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Metformin
Excellent, thank you :) Your copyedits helped significantly, by the way—amazing how easy it is to lose one's strategic distance. Feel free to jump in any time (and I mean it). Thanks again, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Chido6d
Yeah, you're right. Long week and I'd just had enough of his rubbish - but you're right: thanks. Nmg20 (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
External links (on Life Extension)
My link on "Guaranteed Human Life Extension" is not SPAM. It is a method to advance medical research by convincing people to join folding@home. IMHO it is the only method of "human life extension" that will really work. I've read many books and articles on other forms of "life extension" and they are all just wishful thinking. --Neilrieck (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is a not a venue to sign people up for a particular approach to life extension which you're convinced will work. MastCell Talk 00:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
NPOV Tag
I replaced the neutrality dispute tag on Post-Abortion Syndrome as it certainly applies and there are many complaints from others on the discussion page. I've added an additional complaint of my own to the end of the discussion page....just to make you happy.
This article has been so "purged" and is so biased that a good faith effort will take months of re-writing. In the mean time, readers deserve to know that it is much disputed and should be warned to take it with a grain of salt and perhaps read the discussion page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strider12 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- A "good-faith effort" starts with you leaving behind the constant personal attacks and accusations of malice and trying to achieve consensus instead. You're not there yet, by a long shot. MastCell Talk 21:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
ABC hypothesis
I'm calling on you, not in any official capacity, but as another editor. The situation on the Talk:Abortion-breast cancer hypothesis page is getting tense. Another opinion would be greatly appreciated. Phyesalis (talk) 05:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Lynn Margulis
I'm interested in learning how better to source my contributions from last week to the Lynn Margulis biography (you deleted my additions). Lynn Margulis has herself made statements supporting 9-11 conspiracy theories and denying that HIV causes AIDS. Does the fact that she has made these statements on extremist websites and other venues rule out any mention of her views on these issues? If so, some of her comments on HIV and AIDS were made by her in an internet roundtable discussion hosted by ScienceBlogs, a widely-read network of weblogs hosted by active scientists. Why is this source not permitted? It doesn't seem extremist to me, and Lynn Margulis was a participant; these were her words. Thank you. naturalhygiene —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naturalhygiene (talk • contribs) 23:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- The sourcing needs to be very solid to attribute controversial opinions to living people; acceptable sources are described in more detail in the biographies of living persons policy (apologies if you've already read it). The 9/11 source is probably OK - at least, I don't have a major problem with it. As to AIDS denialism, the sources are pretty suspect. The AIDS-denial blog is a patently unreliable source, particularly for items dealing with a living person. The "List of rethinkers" is notoriously padded and inaccurate, and contains a number of names of people who no longer subscribe to AIDS denialism, if they ever did - again, not a reliable source for a biographical article. The final comment is also a blog comment post, which is pretty much unacceptable for a biographical article. The fact that, as you wrote, these comments have led some to wonder whether Margulis has been a victim of identity theft underscore why we should not incorporate this material of questionable provenance into the encyclopedia. Mind you, I think the likelihood is that these comments really were made by Margulis, but without better sourcing I think it would be irresponsible to put them into a Wikipedia article (after all, the standard here is verifiability, not "truth"). I hope that's a helpful explanation of where I'm coming from. MastCell Talk 23:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Need your help at Chronic fatigue syndrome
Talk about a disease that attracts the snake oil nutjobs. This edit bothers me a lot. I looked over the two justifying references, and they fail on the following principles: one is a case study that rarely can be used for any purpose, and both are low on the list of reliable journals. Referencing my talk page discussion recently, these articles are the kind that prove nothing. I can use your help, or I'm going to be leaving snarky edit summaries. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 15:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- My brief experience with ME/CFS is that there are a lot of single-purpose accounts with agendas on the loose. I don't really have the energy to get deeply involved with that sort of thing on a topic on which I'm not deeply committed. I did leave a talk-page comment, though I believe it was on an unrelated issue. I think it's totally fine to say that a lot of people with CFS use alternative medicine, acupuncture, etc. The problem is with claiming these are "effective" without citing better evidence. If there is a major problem with POV etc. then you may want to request outside input from the clinical medicine WikiProject. MastCell Talk 17:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- It sounds like you pick and choose your battles. You take on the ones where SPOV doesn't attract trolls. But if we keep surrendering ground to these types, we'll have nothing. I wish I were more like you on these points. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 02:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- Picking your battles is the only way to go. There are enough areas on the encyclopedia where problems will find you... there's really no need to go out looking for trouble. I try to limit the number of controversial articles I'm involved in at any one time, for my own sanity. It's an approach I'd highly recommend, to anyone. MastCell Talk 05:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you deal with the IPs? I've had quite enough drama over that for one week. Adam Cuerden talk 22:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- I will keep an eye out. I think the only relevance of the named account is that this is a user with a history of tendentious editing and edit-warring, and not a run-of-the-mill brand-new anonymous IP. That may have some bearing on the sequence of events. MastCell Talk 22:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Direct and indirect sourcing
Hi. Thanks for your discussion about how to write about a case where "A says that B said X". I'm still looking for a guideline, but for now I'm satisfied to leave it something like "A claims X" or "According to A, B said X".
I guess you know I'm talking about that UN lady who used to manage The Washington Times and her claim that AP called the Times the "third most quoted newspaper". Come to think of it, Arnaud de Borchgrave said something similar about the BBC quoting the Times every hour on the hour.
The intriguing part for me is distinguishing between self-aggrandizing claims and legitimate description. --Uncle Ed 15:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with you. I have to admit I didn't know who the quotation source was until I read the Wikipedia article, so I really do learn something every day here. I don't feel especially strongly about it, but my preference would be to attribute the claim directly unless/until a third-party (extra-Times) source is verified, for the reasons you mention above. MastCell Talk 06:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
ArbCom questions
Hi. I'm Ral315, editor of the Wikipedia Signpost. We're interviewing all ArbCom candidates for an article next week, and your response is requested.
- What positions do you hold (adminship, arbitration, mediation, etc.)?
- Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?
- Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?
- In the past year, are there any cases that you think the Arbitration Committee handled exceptionally well? Any you think they handled poorly?
- Why do you think users should vote for you?
Please respond on my talk page. If you can get your answers in as soon as possible, I'll try to ensure that they're in the candidate guide as quickly as I can -- hopefully before the elections start. Thanks, Ral315 » 23:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Moulton Request for Arbitration
There is a current Request for Arbitration, to which you are a listed party, regarding Moulton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The Request can be found at this section of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration.
Kind regards,
Anthøny 17:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Courtesy notice
I have mentioned your name in evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Matthew Hoffman/Evidence#Adam's recent blocking history is spotty, the subsection on Whig. In a "normal case" I'd say that what I mention is not significant, but an arbitrator filed this case, recused, and is on a tear about inadequate review of blocks, so I make no predictions. GRBerry 19:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Edit war
You are engaged in an edit war at David Reardon. Let's both respect 3RR. See my notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strider12 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Happy to do so. I left the note only to ensure that you were aware of the WP:3RR policy. At this point, outside opinions may be useful as we don't appear to be making headway. MastCell Talk 04:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
BTW
This[1] is too good an idea to let go. Given that most Wikipedia articles are unreferenced anyway, it might not be too hard if you got the help of someone who knows how to write scripts that would parse the articles. Raymond Arritt (talk) 05:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- It's on my to-do list. Technical assistance would certainly be useful... maybe I'll ask around. Thanks for the encouragement. MastCell Talk 17:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
ArbCom table with portfolio links
Hello! As we did for last year's election, we are again compiling a Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007/Summary table. This table contains a column "Portfolio" for links that display candidates' pertinent skills. I will be going through each candidate's statements and gradually populate the column, but this may take some time. Please feel free to add some links in the form [link|c] if you feel it shows conflict resolution skills, or [link|o] otherwise. It would also be helpful if you can check if the information about you is correct. I'm sorry that this message is so late; I wasn't aware about your nomination when I sent out these messages.
My motivation is that as a voter, I don't want to just rely on a candidate's words, but also see their actions. Moreover, I believe a portfolio of "model cases" to remember in difficult situations can be useful for each candidate, as well. I believe that conflict resolution skills are most pertinent to the position, but if you want to highlight other skills, please feel free to use a new letter and add it to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007/Summary table#Columns of this table.
I used the template Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007/Summary table/cand to make it easier to enter the values in the table. I'm sorry that I didn't get around to entering all values, I will do that in about 21 hours if you don't get around to it. — Sebastian 09:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC) (I stopped watching this page. If you would like to continue the talk, please do so here and ping me.)
Thanks!
Hey thanks for protecting the Francis Drake article. I requested protection a couple months ago and was told there wasn't enough vandalism. What actually constitutes as enough for protection? Thanks again! Deflagro C/T 21:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Honest answer? Depends on the admin reviewing the request. For me, if there's only two or three incidents a day, that's usually not enough (so long as the page is watched and the vandalism is being reverted). More than that usually does it for me. MastCell Talk 15:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Chronic fatigue syndrome
See the personal attack here. As an uninvolved admin, can you help out? Guido has gone batty with his attacks on editors. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- And then there's this outstanding edit. You know I don't care about civility, but personal attacks, I take umbrage. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not really "uninvolved" in this case; I've commented at Simon Wessely and had some interaction with Guido den Broeder in the past. Sorry not to be of more help; I will try to look in on chronic fatigue syndrome, but I don't think I'm suitably uninvolved to act as an administrator in this situation. MastCell Talk 04:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
3RR allegation
I would appreciate it if you would provide the "diffs" to support your allegation. Thank you. Chido6d (talk) 03:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi i would like to know where User:77.242.24.253 & User:Noclador are getting these claims and presenting them as facts with no source what so ever on the current flying status of the aircraft in the Albanian air force & User:Noclador for some reason claims I'm committing vandalism and removing User:217.24.241.70 edits when in fact I did not touch any thing he added and does not conflict with any of his edits as you can see on the following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albanian_Air_Force&diff=177514353&oldid=177443334 can you please try to see why User:Noclador is reverting my posts for no reason with no source and tell him to provide a source and discuss his as he is not willing to discuss with me about it.
User:80.80.161.147 (talk) 14:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Once more it's obviously Gon4z... Yesterday he used an IP of the range 80.80.1XX to edit Albanian Airforce again- reason: "removed nationalistic propaganda that has not been sourced and are redicilous claims". Today he uses another IP of the range 80.80.1XX to copy copyvio material into User talk:Shqipe breznica (original text) and than comes straight for you to complain - because he claims I'm "not willing to discuss with him about it." He didn't try to discuss anything and as we know, with user:Gon4z it is useless to discuss... so, that's all & as usual: revert and ignore. --noclador (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've semi-protected the Albanian Air Force page to slow things down. MastCell Talk 17:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the semi-protection. I will keep an eye out for suspicious edtis to the other obvious targets: Military of Albania, Albanian Joint Forces Command, Albanian Naval Defense Forces. --noclador (talk) 19:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! I must seem like a total idiot, but I saw your comment of FFS on User:Clone 0's talk page and was wondering if I'd done something wrong? (This is in regard to Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Grawp) That was my first time I'd been involved with any sockpuppet case and I left a couple of questions at Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Grawp - You seem to know what you're talking about so would it be too much to ask if you just explain to me what I'm not getting; I need to learn from my mistakes etc so I can do better next time. If you can't that's okay. Cheers, Spawn Man Review Me! 22:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oh no, you didn't do anything wrong. That was just my reaction to the silliness on Clone0's talk page, nothing to do with you. I'm sorry to give you that impression. You did fine. I don't think you made any mistakes. It's a good idea to check the block log before filing the SSP report, because sometimes the suspected socks are already indefinitely blocked and you can save yourself the time spent gathering evidence and filing the report. You did fine - sorry to give you the impression that my edit summary was directed towards you. Happy editing. MastCell Talk 22:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, okay! Yeah, I assumed he wasn't blocked because he made an edit, but forgot even indef's can edit their talk page. Thanks for the help! :) Cheers, Spawn Man Review Me! 23:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- The only other thing I was curious about was whether he needed to be reblocked with a different rationale such as "sock puppet of Grawp" or something rather than just "vandalism only account" which doesn't reflect the whole situtation...? And whether there should be a sign stating that Clone 0 is a sock puppet of Grawp on Clone's user page? Sorry for the questions - I'm gearing up for an RfA in a few months and need all the experience I can muster. Cheers, Spawn Man Review Me! 23:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- There's nothing wrong with doing that, but it's generally not necessary. Unless there's a significant movement to unblock the editor, it doesn't really matter too much whether the stated block rationale is "vandalism-only" or "disruptive sock" (assuming both are accurate descriptors). It is a good idea to tag Clone0's page with a sockpuppet template, though - it helps keep track of the socks of a particular editor. MastCell Talk 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Dude
Your "heresy" speech on AIDS reappraisal completely rocks. I'm going to borrow from it in future disputes :)! - Nunh-huh 01:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)