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Malke, which group is it that want Collins not to be a Catholic?, excuse me, I can see there is some problem about it but I just don't totally get it. Is it the protestant irish nationalists? (was there such a thing) why would anyone want to deny his religion? If you know why anyone from ireland would dislike Collins being a catholic please explain. Anti catholics? Which religion/group are they? [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 15:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC) |
Malke, which group is it that want Collins not to be a Catholic?, excuse me, I can see there is some problem about it but I just don't totally get it. Is it the protestant irish nationalists? (was there such a thing) why would anyone want to deny his religion? If you know why anyone from ireland would dislike Collins being a catholic please explain. Anti catholics? Which religion/group are they? [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 15:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC) |
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:Hi Rob, my guess would be editors who sympathize with the British position. Collins is something of a hero to the British and the Protestant right wingers in Ireland (and are remnants of the former Protestant ruling class) since he signed the treaty to end the Irish War of Independence that created the Irish Free State. Sinn Fein and the IRA, the left wingers and Catholic, were against it and viewed Collins as a traitor. The Civil War resulted. The IRA assassinated him. The treaty allowed the British to still subjugate the Irish. Lloyd George and Winston Churchill were ecstatic. Eamon de Valera and Sinn Fein were not. They wanted a Republic and to be rid of the British entirely. The British and the Irish Protestants are still big Collins' fans. Downplaying his Catholicism, in fact virtually eliminating the religious aspects of the conflict, is something the British do. It's PR. [[User talk:Malke 2010|<font color="green">Malke</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Malke 2010|<font color="#0000FF">2010</font>]] 17:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC) |
:Hi Rob, my guess would be editors who sympathize with the British position. Collins is something of a hero to the British and the Protestant right wingers in Ireland (and are remnants of the former Protestant ruling class) since he signed the treaty to end the Irish War of Independence that created the Irish Free State. Sinn Fein and the IRA, the left wingers and Catholic, were against it and viewed Collins as a traitor. The Civil War resulted. The IRA assassinated him. The treaty allowed the British to still subjugate the Irish. Lloyd George and Winston Churchill were ecstatic. Eamon de Valera and Sinn Fein were not. They wanted a Republic and to be rid of the British entirely. The British and the Irish Protestants are still big Collins' fans. Downplaying his Catholicism, in fact virtually eliminating the religious aspects of the conflict, is something the British do. It's PR. [[User talk:Malke 2010|<font color="green">Malke</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Malke 2010|<font color="#0000FF">2010</font>]] 17:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Thank you for your thoughtful contributions to this article. I would welcome your opinion regarding a request to Remove 'Reports of Inappropriate Incidents' Section. Freedom Fan (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, agree. Let's ding it. It's not accurate and all it does is make trouble.Malke2010 20:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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Malke, which group is it that want Collins not to be a Catholic?, excuse me, I can see there is some problem about it but I just don't totally get it. Is it the protestant irish nationalists? (was there such a thing) why would anyone want to deny his religion? If you know why anyone from ireland would dislike Collins being a catholic please explain. Anti catholics? Which religion/group are they? Off2riorob (talk) 15:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Rob, my guess would be editors who sympathize with the British position. Collins is something of a hero to the British and the Protestant right wingers in Ireland (and are remnants of the former Protestant ruling class) since he signed the treaty to end the Irish War of Independence that created the Irish Free State. Sinn Fein and the IRA, the left wingers and Catholic, were against it and viewed Collins as a traitor. The Civil War resulted. The IRA assassinated him. The treaty allowed the British to still subjugate the Irish. Lloyd George and Winston Churchill were ecstatic. Eamon de Valera and Sinn Fein were not. They wanted a Republic and to be rid of the British entirely. The British and the Irish Protestants are still big Collins' fans. Downplaying his Catholicism, in fact virtually eliminating the religious aspects of the conflict, is something the British do. It's PR. Malke2010 17:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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