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Stop me, however, if it seems to you that I'm trying to promote (or refute) any particular POV. I'd rather have the status quo than a COI problem. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) 18:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC) |
Stop me, however, if it seems to you that I'm trying to promote (or refute) any particular POV. I'd rather have the status quo than a COI problem. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) 18:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC) |
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Greetings Jay. Some of your recent contributions are being discussed [[Wikipedia:AIN#Topic_ban_evasion_by_User:Jayjg|here]] in light of your topic ban. Heads-up, [[user talk:Skomorokh|<span style="background: #222; color: #fff;"><font face="Goudy Old Style"> Skomorokh </font></span>]] 15:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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Haredi vs "Ultra-Orthodox", again
Hi Jay: You'll probably recall the discussions about this about 5 years ago. Please see Talk:Modi'in Illit#Ultra-Orthodox/Haredi. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 22:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Photos
Hi there. You'll note I don't believe I've ever disagreed with any of your edits, and I don't dispute the issue re; living folks. What I don't concur with is that the use of the five females' photos is contentious. All five women are without dispute Ashkenazim, and their own articles either suggest this or provide nor more or less evidence than those of the living males featured. Do you want us to put references for the boxes? Best, A Sniper (talk) 00:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- One problem with the nebulous definition of Ashkenazim is that it is almost synonymous with northern/eastern European Jewry. Therefore, there is no dispute that the Jewish populations of, say, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Russia are Ashkenazic in the homogeneous sense, even if biographies of Jews from those countries doesn't explicitly describe them as such. Many biographies that feature Jews from these countries would infer that they are Ashkenazic, even when the word itself is never used. Weisz's folks, Bacall's folks, Bar Refaeli's folks, and Plisetskaya and Polgar themselves come from these countries. What is contentious about this? Best, A Sniper (talk) 00:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sephardi Jews immigrated to Hungary in the 1620s, as a simple example. Jayjg (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Romania was famous for its Sephardic community. Jayjg (talk) 01:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sephardi community of Vienna, Austria. Jayjg (talk) 01:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sephardi Jews in Poland. Jayjg (talk) 01:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- ...making my point exactly that it is nearly impossible to state without doubt that Bernstein, Einstein or any of the other men are 100% Ashkenazic. The only thing we can do is generalize that MOST northern/eastern European Jews are Ashkenazic, unless otherwise noted. By the way: I googled the model and immediately found a modelling site that listed her ethnicity as 'Ashkenazic Jewish'. I know that living folks are held to a hire standard than the departed, but finding bona fide reference to any of the folks in the photo boxes as certainly, without doubt and unquestionably Ashkenazic is approaching impossible. Best, A Sniper (talk) 02:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Ashkenazim Photo Box
Hi, I understand that you have your queries about this photo box, and especially about the inclusion of Bar Refaeli in it. I think that the current photo box make no reasonable representation of Ashkenazi Jewery and that it omit historical Rabbanical figures that have play significant role in the history of Ashkenazim. I will not exaggerate if I tell that the Baal Shem Tov or Rashi have played much more important role in the development and history of Ashkenazi Jewery than Einstein did. There is no need, of course, to tell where they are standing in compare to Bar Refaeli. I understand that the present photo box is the result of comparison between more than 10 different users who had different views. However, may be Wikipedia rules have to be more clear and also to suggest a logical ranking of candidates for inclusion so that the winner of American Idol will not get into this kind of photo boxes one day. I think that there is a clear reason to reopen the discussion about it in Ashkenazims' talk page and also if you can do it as an admin to suggest changes in rules of inclusion so they will be more logical. I will be grateful for any help on this matter.--Gilisa (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I'm not against the democratic values of Wikipedia, but it also should have responsibility and reasonable quality standards, which it have in most cases. From what you wrote to me I understood that a photo box may theoreticaly include only living models for example. So, if now there is no guide for the mximum numebr of living or dead celebs you can have in a photo box, who have priority over who in enetring to the photo box and what is the minimum time period that the photo box should represent (the present one only include Ashkenazim that lived no further than 200 years ago while Ashkenazi history is much longer) than it will always be hard to get to an agreement and the photobox will always be significantly altered once in every short time. It will be better if we can somehow suggest standards for inclusion in one of wikipedias' boards-I don't know how to do it as I'm not that active in Wiki, but I hoped to get your support on this. As for the missing sources, we should insist that they will be provided in short time from now, but again it's only a temporary solution.--Gilisa (talk) 07:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Unification Church, Israel, and Judaism
Unification Church members have done a lot to combat antisemitism. Maybe these initiatives should be mentioned somewhere in the encyclopedia. For example, sponsoring Jewish-Muslim among religious scholars in 1999. [1] Also, the founder made a strong and prominent statement asserting the right of Israel to exist in 1976. [2]
Stop me, however, if it seems to you that I'm trying to promote (or refute) any particular POV. I'd rather have the status quo than a COI problem. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Greetings Jay. Some of your recent contributions are being discussed here in light of your topic ban. Heads-up, Skomorokh 15:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)