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Hi, Jim. I find your quotes from Rawat too ambiguous and vague for me to be at all sure of how to read them, sorry. You wrote on [[Talk:Prem Rawat]]: "Rawat has been inconsistent about all this stuff. In other words, although I can find you quotes where he claimed to be God, I can also find you quotes where he said he wasn't God, just a humble servant. But that was all part of the "wink / wink" that makes premies feel like they're part of some great secret, isn't it? You know exactly what I'm talking about." Well, I'm a plain blunt editor, I ''don't'' know what you're talking about, I have no intuition for the nuances and inside wink-wink of premie-talk. (My only qualification on that score is a brief fling with the TM meditation technique when I was younger — I found it helpful, in a practical way, but could never get into the ideological side of [[Maharishi Mahesh Yogi|Maharishi]]. So, I can't be of much help. I have a question for you: why exactly do you want Jossi to stop editing [[Prem Rawat]]? He's a respected and respectable admin, and I'm sure he edits in good faith. In an ideal world I suppose he might consider giving up editing about a subject he feels that passionately about. However, the way it looks to me in practice (note of course that that I've only seen the discussion/editing of the past few days, and have no heart for those 13 archives) is that Jossi is if anything keeping the premie POV editing of Momento and Errol Vieth in check. I expect they are in good faith also — they simply "know" that the Rawat POV is The Truth, I guess, and call it as they see it — but IMO their input has shown a weak grasp of [[WP:NPOV]]. (And so I've told them, just now on [[Talk:Prem Rawat]], so I make no scruple of saying it here.) I mean, you saw [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prem_Rawat&diff=39709193&oldid=39708091 this edit], right? Jossi reverted it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC). |
Hi, Jim. I find your quotes from Rawat too ambiguous and vague for me to be at all sure of how to read them, sorry. You wrote on [[Talk:Prem Rawat]]: "Rawat has been inconsistent about all this stuff. In other words, although I can find you quotes where he claimed to be God, I can also find you quotes where he said he wasn't God, just a humble servant. But that was all part of the "wink / wink" that makes premies feel like they're part of some great secret, isn't it? You know exactly what I'm talking about." Well, I'm a plain blunt editor, I ''don't'' know what you're talking about, I have no intuition for the nuances and inside wink-wink of premie-talk. (My only qualification on that score is a brief fling with the TM meditation technique when I was younger — I found it helpful, in a practical way, but could never get into the ideological side of [[Maharishi Mahesh Yogi|Maharishi]]. So, I can't be of much help. I have a question for you: why exactly do you want Jossi to stop editing [[Prem Rawat]]? He's a respected and respectable admin, and I'm sure he edits in good faith. In an ideal world I suppose he might consider giving up editing about a subject he feels that passionately about. However, the way it looks to me in practice (note of course that that I've only seen the discussion/editing of the past few days, and have no heart for those 13 archives) is that Jossi is if anything keeping the premie POV editing of Momento and Errol Vieth in check. I expect they are in good faith also — they simply "know" that the Rawat POV is The Truth, I guess, and call it as they see it — but IMO their input has shown a weak grasp of [[WP:NPOV]]. (And so I've told them, just now on [[Talk:Prem Rawat]], so I make no scruple of saying it here.) I mean, you saw [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prem_Rawat&diff=39709193&oldid=39708091 this edit], right? Jossi reverted it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC). |
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Actually, the "wink-wink, you know exactly what I'm talking about" was directed to Jossi, not you. My questions to you were about the other quotes of Rawats. I'm very discouraged to hear you say that you find them too ambiguous to know just who he was talking about. He was Guru Maharaj Ji. He was the Perfect Master. He Was God incarnated, Saviour of Mankind and so on. In fact, Jossi still thinks he's all of that. If you would please spend just a little time reading the section of EPO or the Gallery of quotes I linked you to earlier, you'd see this in spades. |
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Anyway, Jossi is a liar through and through. He knows full well that Rawat was referring to himself. I mean, really, who else do you think he might have been talking about? |
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I'm very, very frustrated as you can tell. I'm a lawyer. Words and logic are my stock in trade. Plus I was in this stupid cult for years. I know it inside out. This Wiki article is a joke and it's being guarded by dishonest cult members. Now how much more do I have to say before I can truly be banned from this place and wash my hands of it forever? |
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Your question on my page
Hi, Jim. I find your quotes from Rawat too ambiguous and vague for me to be at all sure of how to read them, sorry. You wrote on Talk:Prem Rawat: "Rawat has been inconsistent about all this stuff. In other words, although I can find you quotes where he claimed to be God, I can also find you quotes where he said he wasn't God, just a humble servant. But that was all part of the "wink / wink" that makes premies feel like they're part of some great secret, isn't it? You know exactly what I'm talking about." Well, I'm a plain blunt editor, I don't know what you're talking about, I have no intuition for the nuances and inside wink-wink of premie-talk. (My only qualification on that score is a brief fling with the TM meditation technique when I was younger — I found it helpful, in a practical way, but could never get into the ideological side of Maharishi. So, I can't be of much help. I have a question for you: why exactly do you want Jossi to stop editing Prem Rawat? He's a respected and respectable admin, and I'm sure he edits in good faith. In an ideal world I suppose he might consider giving up editing about a subject he feels that passionately about. However, the way it looks to me in practice (note of course that that I've only seen the discussion/editing of the past few days, and have no heart for those 13 archives) is that Jossi is if anything keeping the premie POV editing of Momento and Errol Vieth in check. I expect they are in good faith also — they simply "know" that the Rawat POV is The Truth, I guess, and call it as they see it — but IMO their input has shown a weak grasp of WP:NPOV. (And so I've told them, just now on Talk:Prem Rawat, so I make no scruple of saying it here.) I mean, you saw this edit, right? Jossi reverted it. Bishonen | talk 22:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC).
Hi Bishonen,
Actually, the "wink-wink, you know exactly what I'm talking about" was directed to Jossi, not you. My questions to you were about the other quotes of Rawats. I'm very discouraged to hear you say that you find them too ambiguous to know just who he was talking about. He was Guru Maharaj Ji. He was the Perfect Master. He Was God incarnated, Saviour of Mankind and so on. In fact, Jossi still thinks he's all of that. If you would please spend just a little time reading the section of EPO or the Gallery of quotes I linked you to earlier, you'd see this in spades.
Anyway, Jossi is a liar through and through. He knows full well that Rawat was referring to himself. I mean, really, who else do you think he might have been talking about?
I'm very, very frustrated as you can tell. I'm a lawyer. Words and logic are my stock in trade. Plus I was in this stupid cult for years. I know it inside out. This Wiki article is a joke and it's being guarded by dishonest cult members. Now how much more do I have to say before I can truly be banned from this place and wash my hands of it forever?