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'''POSTED: If you aren’t a Wikifriend of mine, don’t edit here.''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">'''[[User:Greg L|Greg L]]''' ([[User_talk:Greg_L|talk]])</span> 20:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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The following are links to the relevant pages in the date linking/formatting saga. |
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==RfCs== |
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*[[Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll]] (The current RfC) |
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*[[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite/Date linking RfC]] (Discussion about the current RfC) |
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**<small>[[User_talk:Tony1/Date-fragments_user-friendly_version]] (Tony's suggested rewording of the current RfC)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Three proposals for change to MOSNUM|MOSNUM: Three proposals for change to MOSNUM]] (Tony’s RfC - "RfC 1") |
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*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Date Linking RFC|MOSNUM: Date Linking RFC]] (Locke’s RfC - "RfC 2") |
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*[[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/RFC: Unresolved date delinking and autoformatting issues|MOSNUM: Unresolved date delinking and autoformatting issues RfC]] (Greg’s RfC) |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_115#RfC:_Linking_of_dates_of_birth_and_death|MOSNUM: Linking of dates of birth and death RfC]] <small>(The one that shows that it's unclear whether even birth and death dates have linking consensus)</small> |
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==Analysis== |
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*[[User:Dabomb87/Summary of the Date Linking RFCs]] (Dabomb87's analysis) |
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*[[User:Tony1/Information on the removal of DA]] (Tony1's analysis) |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_118#Just_what_did_the_RfC_on_month-day_date-links_show.3F|Just what did the RfC on month-day date links show?]] (Tony1's analysis) |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_118#Exposing_the_distortions_in_the_.22detailed.22_RfCs_on_dates|Exposing the distortions in the "detailed" RfCs on dates]] (Tony1's analysis) |
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*[[User:Tony1/Support for the removal of date autoformatting]] (A selection of comments supporting the move away from DA) |
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*[[User:Kendrick7/Summary of the Date Linking RFCs]] (Kendrick7's analysis) |
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==Arbitration== |
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*[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-03-09/Arbitration_report|Notification of arbitration]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking]] |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking|Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking talk page]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Workshop]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Workshop#Cutting_the_Gordian_knot|Cutting the Gordian knot]] (proposal that: "WP:MOSNUM is declared historic" - defeated).</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Workshop#Renaming_MOS|Renaming MOS]] (proposal that "WP:MOS is hereby renamed WP:WikiProject Style; its subpages are to become Project pages. They are neither policy nor guideline, and shall not be so tagged." - defeated).</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Workshop|Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Workshop talk page]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Workshop#Comments_moved_from_Workshop|Comments moved from Workshop discussion]]</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Workshop#Help_needed|RP's call for help to try and resolve the real issue]]</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_John_Vandenberg|Dynamic dates was created in July 2003 - timeline]]</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Evidence|Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence talk page]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Evidence#Complete_denial_of_natural_justice|Complete denial of natural justice discussion]]</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#Dates_case:_Calling_for_Ryan_Postlethwaite_to_step_aside_as_clerk]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Proposed_decision]] |
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==Policy & essays== |
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*[[Wikipedia:MOSNUM]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Proposal_on_international_date_format|Proposal on international date format]]</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_D1]] (Years and dates archive)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)|Wikipedia:MOSNUM talk]] |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Specification_for_'son_of_autoformatting'|Son of autoformatting specification]] (Attempt to find out what was being proposed by a new date formatting system - stalled)</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_118#Fix.2Freplace_date_autoformatting|Fix/replace date autoformatting]] (UCB's thoughts and ensuing discussion on a new system for date linking/formatting)</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#It.27s_the_square_brackets.2C_stupid.21|It's the square brackets, stupid!]] (Sapphic's attempt to explain things. This is the one that contained the statistical "debate" about the number of articles that contained linked dates)</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#Son_of_autoformatting_would_expose_us_to_an_extremely_risky_experiment|Son of autoformatting would expose us to an extremely risky experiment]] (Tony1's lead produced a lengthy discussion)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Linking]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Why dates should not be linked]] <small>(Greg L's essay)</small> |
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**<small>[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Why dates should not be linked]] (LC's attempt to remove the page)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Consensus]] <small>(Quote: "'Silence implies consent if there is adequate exposure to the community''"—at least that's what it said prior to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Consensus&diff=next&oldid=275169757 this] edit)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Silence and consensus]] <small>(Quote: "''Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident''")</small> |
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*[[User:The_Duke_of_Waltham/Auto-formatting_is_evil|Auto-formatting is evil]] <small>(An essay by The_Duke_of_Waltham)</small> |
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*[[User:Gerry_Ashton/History_of_ISO_8601_and_date_autoformatting_in_Wikipedia|History of ISO 8601 and date autoformatting in Wikipedia]] <small>(Comprehensive backgrounder by Gerry Ashton)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:Trivia sections]] <small>(Quote: "''Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts''"—pertinent to year pages)</small> |
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*[[There is no deadline]] <small>(This one sometimes makes an appearance in terms of not hurrying a processes)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Build_the_web|Build the web]] <small>(Discussion about linking at WP. Merge issues with WP:Linking)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia:IAR]] <small>(Ignore All Rules)</small> |
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*[[User:Greg L/Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house|Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house]] <small>(Example of overlinking)</small> |
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==Coding== |
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*[https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 Bugzilla ID 4582] (The three-year saga) |
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*[http://dates.xoom.org/index.php/Main_Page Most recent demo page] (For the proposed date formatting/linking system.) <small>Thanks to a recent brain explosion, the demo doesn't demonstrate quite as much as it did—and is a little blue.</small> |
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*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/48249 Werdna's addition] (to the current date formatting/linking system) |
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**<small>[[User:Ohconfucius/dates_test|Date test]] (Ohconfucius' test page for Werdna's patch)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#Date_autoformatting_example_ready_for_testing|UCB's first attempt at a solution]] |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#Demo_site_for_new_DA_.28version_0.2.29|UCB's second attempt at a solution]] |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#Son_of_Autoformatting_II:_The_experiment_continues|UCB's next attempt at a solution]] <small>(This is the discussion that proved that Bug 4582 was not RESOLVED at the time it was claimed in RfC2 that a "patch" was available)</small> |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_119#Son_of_Autoformatting_III:_Electric_Boogaloo|UCB's next attempt at a solution]] <small>(This is the one that led to the "Specification for 'son of autoformatting'" page)</small> |
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==Date templates== |
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*[[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_120#Free_form_way_of_specifying_dates]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Announcing_Free_text_time_templates]] |
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==Bots== |
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*[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Lightbot_3|Lightbot 3]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Lightbot_2|Lightbot 2]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Lightbot|Lightbot 1]] |
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==Brain explosions== |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryan_Postlethwaite/Date_linking_RfC&diff=prev&oldid=276602002 Sapphic] (11 March 2009—resulting in [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive521#Uncivil_and_totally_uncalled-for_comment_by_User:Sapphic|this]]) |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ALinking&diff=278046563&oldid=278045756 Kendrick7] (18 March 2009—resulting in [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive522#Abuse_by_User:Kendrick7|this]]) |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ADate_formatting_and_linking_poll&diff=279480047&oldid=279478681 Earle Martin] (25 March 2009) <small>(Have to scroll to the end of the diff section)</small> |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Date_formatting_and_linking_poll&diff=282011805&oldid=282011694 Sapphic] (6 April 2009) |
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==Other links of interest== |
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*Block logs for: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Locke+Cole LC], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Tennis+expert TE], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Arthur_Rubin AR], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:UC_Bill UCB]. |
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*[[User:Ohconfucius/Tennis_wars]] <small>(Summary of the enormous number of revert-type links made by TE)</small> |
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==List of Fuck-tards== |
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:''Many thanks for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ADate_formatting_and_linking_poll&diff=279627490&oldid=279623576 inspirational help from Earle Martin] to give our group a proper name.''<!-- |
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* <span style="white-space:nowrap;">'''[[User:Greg L|Greg L]]''' ([[User_talk:Greg_L|talk]])</span> |
Revision as of 20:32, 14 April 2009
POSTED: If you aren’t a Wikifriend of mine, don’t edit here. Greg L (talk) 20:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The following are links to the relevant pages in the date linking/formatting saga.
RfCs
- Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll (The current RfC)
- User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite/Date linking RfC (Discussion about the current RfC)
- User_talk:Tony1/Date-fragments_user-friendly_version (Tony's suggested rewording of the current RfC)
- MOSNUM: Three proposals for change to MOSNUM (Tony’s RfC - "RfC 1")
- MOSNUM: Date Linking RFC (Locke’s RfC - "RfC 2")
- MOSNUM: Unresolved date delinking and autoformatting issues RfC (Greg’s RfC)
- MOSNUM: Linking of dates of birth and death RfC (The one that shows that it's unclear whether even birth and death dates have linking consensus)
Analysis
- User:Dabomb87/Summary of the Date Linking RFCs (Dabomb87's analysis)
- User:Tony1/Information on the removal of DA (Tony1's analysis)
- Just what did the RfC on month-day date links show? (Tony1's analysis)
- Exposing the distortions in the "detailed" RfCs on dates (Tony1's analysis)
- User:Tony1/Support for the removal of date autoformatting (A selection of comments supporting the move away from DA)
- User:Kendrick7/Summary of the Date Linking RFCs (Kendrick7's analysis)
Arbitration
- Notification of arbitration
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking talk page
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Workshop
- Cutting the Gordian knot (proposal that: "WP:MOSNUM is declared historic" - defeated).
- Renaming MOS (proposal that "WP:MOS is hereby renamed WP:WikiProject Style; its subpages are to become Project pages. They are neither policy nor guideline, and shall not be so tagged." - defeated).
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Workshop talk page
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence talk page
- Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#Dates_case:_Calling_for_Ryan_Postlethwaite_to_step_aside_as_clerk
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Proposed_decision
Policy & essays
- Wikipedia:MOSNUM
- Proposal on international date format
- Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_D1 (Years and dates archive)
- Wikipedia:MOSNUM talk
- Son of autoformatting specification (Attempt to find out what was being proposed by a new date formatting system - stalled)
- Fix/replace date autoformatting (UCB's thoughts and ensuing discussion on a new system for date linking/formatting)
- It's the square brackets, stupid! (Sapphic's attempt to explain things. This is the one that contained the statistical "debate" about the number of articles that contained linked dates)
- Son of autoformatting would expose us to an extremely risky experiment (Tony1's lead produced a lengthy discussion)
- Wikipedia:Linking
- Wikipedia:Why dates should not be linked (Greg L's essay)
- Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Why dates should not be linked (LC's attempt to remove the page)
- Wikipedia:Consensus (Quote: "'Silence implies consent if there is adequate exposure to the community"—at least that's what it said prior to this edit)
- Wikipedia:Silence and consensus (Quote: "Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident")
- Auto-formatting is evil (An essay by The_Duke_of_Waltham)
- History of ISO 8601 and date autoformatting in Wikipedia (Comprehensive backgrounder by Gerry Ashton)
- Wikipedia:Trivia sections (Quote: "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts"—pertinent to year pages)
- There is no deadline (This one sometimes makes an appearance in terms of not hurrying a processes)
- Build the web (Discussion about linking at WP. Merge issues with WP:Linking)
- Wikipedia:IAR (Ignore All Rules)
- Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house (Example of overlinking)
Coding
- Bugzilla ID 4582 (The three-year saga)
- Most recent demo page (For the proposed date formatting/linking system.) Thanks to a recent brain explosion, the demo doesn't demonstrate quite as much as it did—and is a little blue.
- Werdna's addition (to the current date formatting/linking system)
- Date test (Ohconfucius' test page for Werdna's patch)
- UCB's first attempt at a solution
- UCB's second attempt at a solution
- UCB's next attempt at a solution (This is the discussion that proved that Bug 4582 was not RESOLVED at the time it was claimed in RfC2 that a "patch" was available)
- UCB's next attempt at a solution (This is the one that led to the "Specification for 'son of autoformatting'" page)
Date templates
- Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_120#Free_form_way_of_specifying_dates
- Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Announcing_Free_text_time_templates
Bots
Brain explosions
- Sapphic (11 March 2009—resulting in this)
- Kendrick7 (18 March 2009—resulting in this)
- Earle Martin (25 March 2009) (Have to scroll to the end of the diff section)
- Sapphic (6 April 2009)
Other links of interest
- Block logs for: LC, TE, AR, UCB.
- User:Ohconfucius/Tennis_wars (Summary of the enormous number of revert-type links made by TE)
List of Fuck-tards
- Many thanks for the inspirational help from Earle Martin to give our group a proper name.