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:Ok, so what do you suggest we do? [[User:Madmaxmarchhare|Madmaxmarchhare]] 19:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC) |
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I find you stupid. [[User:Miaers|Miaers]] 20:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== "flagship campus" == |
== "flagship campus" == |
Revision as of 20:03, 22 March 2007
Order
As for the order of the links...
1...If it is placed chronilogical order, then UW-Madison should be first, as it was the first campus that began in 1848. However...
2...According to the Manuel of Style page, "place the items in order of usage, with the most-used meanings appearing at the top and less common meanings below." So, if we actually follow the guidelines, UW System and UW-Madison should be placed first, as they are obviously the most-used meanings. – Lordmontu (talk) • (contribs) 03:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've reformatted under the MoS guidelines. Madmaxmarchhare 16:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- That is the case when "University of Wisconsin" itself is a disambig, but since it redirects to Madison under the current arrangement. Madison campus should be at the bottomn. Miaers 03:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- So, when someone points out that you are using your logic incorrectly, you simply change the terms of the original statement? Thats not how it works. According to both types of citation in the manual of style, UW-Madison should be listed first, so what does your point have to do with anything? Cheers, PaddyM 03:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The institution from 1848 to 1956 is the mostly used as University of Wisconsin. It should be on the top. Madison campus should be at the bottomn because currently University of Wisconsin redirects to it. It is a wrong arrangement though. Miaers 16:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
You are making yourself quite obnoxious on this. As several people have pointed out to you, the guidelines for disambiguation pages clearly state that when there is a preponderance of people who are going to be looking for a particular item, it goes first. Silly or not, a plurality of people looking for "University of Wisconsin" will want the place in Madison (which was the first one chronologically as well). That is a fact. You have been told this over and over again, but keep reverting anyway. STOP! --Orange Mike 17:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you look at the "What links here" on University of Wisconsin, you can see most of the "University of Wisconsin" used here are the intitution from 1848 to 1956. Not Madison campus. The currrent redirect already goes to the Madison campus. It is basically the first result. Miaers 17:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's not _chronology_ that people are worried about here, Miaers, it's the campus built around Bascom Hill that they're thinking of when they say "University of Wisconsin" before 1956. Just because someone gradauted from UW before 1956 doesn't mean that they went to the _former_ institution, it's that they went to the university on the hill, which is the Madison campus _today_. Madmaxmarchhare 17:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Madmaxmarchhare, the guidance is not a law. Chronical order definitely is better in this case. Once more, most University of Wisconsin used here refer to the one between 1848 and 1956. It should be listed as the first by any standard. Madison has been made the first search result. There is no reason to have it in the second place. Miaers 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Miaers, as I disagree with your opinion, let's go with the guideline. And, most of what's linked to the UW does NOT have anything to do with chronology. If professor Ziggy won a Nobel Prize in 1933, he wasn't at the FORMER UW, he was at the campus that's in Madison, UW-Madison. Either way, since we can't agree, let's use the guideline. Madmaxmarchhare 18:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm the one following the guidance here. There was no UW-Madison in 1933. What are you talking about? Miaers 18:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? The place in Madison has been there since statehood (more or less). You are the only one who wants to deny that UW-Madison is the same school that has always been in Madison, and that somebody who graduated from it in, say, 1895, graduated from what is now UW-Madison and was then simply called "the University of Wisconsin." --Orange Mike 18:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is it me, or is this just getting more insane? Madmaxmarchhare 19:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Please be aware of what you are. The intitution before 1956 is named as University of Wisconsin with a main campus in Madison and 10 freshman-sophomore centers in other cities in Wisconsin and state-wide extenstion. That is defenitely different from the current UW-Madison, which is just a part of it (source: UW System the former University of Wisconsin part) . Miaers 19:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, but that thing that you're talking about is known as UW-Madison, today. Just because the names and administrations have changed, the institution is still one in the same. Either way, I can see no compelling reason to change or to go away from accepted practices and guidelines. Thank you for your contributions, however, Maiers. Madmaxmarchhare 19:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It is not just a name change. Those University of Wisconsin outside Madison still exist. There are 10 UW colleges in Wisconsin. Miaers 19:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, we're at a stalemate--what do you suggest we do if we don't go with the guidelines as the default? Madmaxmarchhare 19:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Nobody is at stalemat with you. You are wrong. Miaers 19:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, so what do you suggest we do? Madmaxmarchhare 19:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I find you stupid. Miaers 20:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
"flagship campus"
I don't know why the fact that UW-Madison is the "Flagship campus of the UW System" is being deleted. This information should definitely be placed in a dab page, as it describes what the Madison campus is. University of Colorado and University of Maryland both use the term "flagship campus" – Lordmontu (talk) • (contribs) 03:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Flagship is not a politically correct word. Please see Flagship for detail. Miaers 03:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Did you even read the page you are referencing? According to Flagship, flagship is a common term and it is normal for a university to refer to itself in that manner. It appropriately describes Madison as the largest (both in land and population) and the site of the administration of the university system. Cheers, PaddyM 03:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Guess you need to read this in the article "...those of us in "systems" of higher education are frequently actively discouraged from using the term "flagship" to refer to our campuses because it is seen as hurtful to the self-esteem of colleagues at other institutions in our systems. The use of the term is seen by some as elitist and boastful. It is viewed by many, in the context of the politics of higher education, as "politically incorrect" "Miaers 03:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)