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== (Harry Potter films) == |
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Kings Cross IS used in the Harry Potter films. You can tell by the GNER trains there. Apparently JK Rowling was confusing Euston with Kings Cross when she was thinking of platform nine and three-quarters. In real life platforms 9, 10 and 11 are in another train shed. |
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St Pancras or St Pancrass ? |
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: only one 's'. -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] |
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:: Thanks ! |
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== (To apostrophe or not to apostrophe) == |
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Please note that there is no apostrophe in Kings Cross. Reference: http://eur-op.eu.int/code/en/en-4100213en.htm --[[User:The Anome|The Anome]] |
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Here's the whole story (to date): |
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* ''Kings Cross'' is the name for the surrounding area, as supported by both style guides and general usage. |
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* Google searches also say that ''Kings Cross station'' is more common that ''King's Cross station'' |
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* ''King's Cross'' is the "official" signage for the stations |
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* but ''Kings Cross'' is the "official" usage in the timetable database, as well as being used on other official documents: joyously, the official station page at [http://www.railtrack.co.uk/majorstations/index.cfm?fuseaction=stations.liststation&stationId=5201] uses ''both'' usages |
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[[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 09:38 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC) |
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==GA Pass== |
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:'''[[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|GA]] review''' (see [[Wikipedia:What is a good article?|here]] for criteria) |
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Don't forget [[Harry Potter]]! (lol) [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] |
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#It is '''reasonably well written'''. |
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:The first Harry Potter book uses ''King's Cross'' -- but hey, it's fiction. |
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#:a ''(prose)'': {{GAList/check|}} b ''([[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|MoS]])'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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''Oh very quick.'' And '''next''' will we be starting on [[St Pancras]], which is incorrectly given as [[St. Pancras]] ''all over the place''???? And come to think of it, it really needs a proper entry, it's a sort of poor relation of [[Kings Cross station|K'in'gs 'Cros's 'sta't'i'on]] at the moment. I guess I probably mean [[St. Pancras station]] and its correct version [[St Pancras station]] here, rather than the place (where is it anyway?!) and the churches! I would insert a smiley at this point but don't know how. [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] 10:20 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC) |
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#It is '''factually accurate''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]]'''. |
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#:a ''(references)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} b ''(citations to reliable sources)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} c ''([[Wikipedia:No original research|OR]])'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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#It is '''broad in its coverage'''. |
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#:a ''(major aspects)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} b ''(focused)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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#It follows the '''[[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] policy'''. |
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#:a ''(fair representation)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} b ''(all significant views)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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#It is '''stable'''. |
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#:{{GAList/check|aye}} |
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#It '''contains [[Wikipedia:Images|images]]''', where possible, to illustrate the topic. |
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#:a ''(tagged and captioned)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} b ''lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA)'': {{GAList/check|aye}} c ''(non-free images have [[Wikipedia:Image_description_page#Use_rationale|fair use rationales]])'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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#'''Overall''': |
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#:a ''Pass/Fail'': {{GAList/check|aye}} |
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My compliments to the editors involved in the making of this article. I can recall many happy moments playing the series and enjoying it thoroughly. It's heartening to see an informative article on the series. Many Regards and Best Wishes ! |
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== (Bold warning) == |
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[[User:Phillip Rosenthal|Phillip Rosenthal]] 13:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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From the article: |
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:Although considerable regenration effort (and money) has gone into the area over recent years, there is still a significant presence of drug dealers and prostitutes. Visitors are advised to remain within stations and/or on main thoroughfares during working hours and to exercise extreme caution in all locations at all other times. |
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This warning was added in bold text today. This seems at variance with my experience of Kings Cross, where my major worry is generally whether the trains are running and the length of the queue for mocha-cappuchino. Can the contributor of the warning give cites for the danger level suggested in the warning, please? [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 07:52 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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==Prostitutes?== |
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:Mentioning that the area is a traditional stamping ground for prostitutes is ok content for the 'pedia, I guess, but I don't think issuing advice about personal safety is encyclopedic, even in its now toned down form. (Maybe such advice would be ok in an article about personal safety but this article is about a particular geographical location). I propose its removal. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21]] 10:44 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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From the image of Link loaded up with weapons: "Link, carrying the many items he acquires from prostitutes." This has to be vandalism, right? I'm pretty sure treasure chests aren't really the same thing as prostitutes. I'm going to change it back. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/134.121.177.217|134.121.177.217]] ([[User talk:134.121.177.217|talk]]) 22:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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*Nevermind, someone beat me to it. That was fast. |
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The same contributor has added a similar warning to [[Soho]]. |
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== Autosave == |
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:I'm going to edit that. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21]] 10:52 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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:: The original contribution has had an overall positive effect. Following my edit, a couple of recent changes watchers dived in and improved the article. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21]] 12:07 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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I like the work that has now been done on this. I do not agree that a personal safety warning must ''always'' be inappropriate for the wiki - after all it is just another piece of info, and if someone finds it useful one day then great, info has been provided! But I do agree that the tone of the initial one was a bit strong, and I think the way it works now is fine. Smiles all round! :) [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] 17:32 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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From the opening section: |
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PS Watch out for aggressive mocha vendors trying to hustle you! :) |
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:I agree that if 'authorities' (whoever they may be in a particular location) advise people to exercise appropiate caution then that we should report that useful info. E.g. it is official New York Subway policy to advice passengers to stand in the lit yellow areas of the platform when late at night. That should form part of the [[New York Subway]] article. However I am not sure Wikipedia and its contributors should issue advice by itself... who's to say Kings Cross is any more dangerous than a dozen other places in London (and elsewhere!) where advice is not issued. The current paragraph is a bit ambiguous in this respect. Having written all that, I guess it doesn't matter too much on the large scale! [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21]] 17:46 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) |
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''With its vast world, open-ended gameplay, scrolling capabilities, and autosave system …'' |
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== (Page move) == |
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Correct me if I've got my jargon wrong, but there's no autosaving in this game. The game gives the player the option of saving either when Link dies or when that certain button combination is pressed, and the only other memory alteration comes from creating a file or files, erasing a file, or changing a first-quest file to a second-quest file after the game is beaten. [[User:Tony Myers|Tony Myers]] 00:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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This page should be at [[Kings Cross railway station]] in line with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject London]] - see especially the recent discussion on this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London]] but I can't get it to move. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 7:52, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) |
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: Actually, this should be at [[King's Cross railway station]] (the lack of apostrophe in the station's signs are apparently typographic rather than concious choices), but I'll wait for someone else to give me the nod, given that others seem to disagree... |
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-I agree, there's no autosave. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] 23:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC) |
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: [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 18:24, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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:: Well, now that (apparently) the official web page, the official signage, the London Underground, and indeed Transport for London generally, perhaps we can make a decision on this? |
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== What could be done to improve this article == |
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:: [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 01:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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:::Convinces me. I've requested the move at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. [[User Talk:Stevage|Stevage]] 20:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Considering the importance of this game, I am surprised that it is only a good article. Please tell us what can be done to improve this article. I would love to see it featured. Thanks. [[User:GreaterWikiholic|GreaterWikiholic]] 01:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''move'''. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightst</span>]]<font color="green">[[User:Nightstallion/esperanza|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">a</span>]]</font>[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">llion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 10:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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I would like to see one or two images of gameplay, at the moment there are none, I think would improve article. A small number of low res images would be fair use, it is normal for video game articles. [[User:Carlwev|Carlwev]] ([[User talk:Carlwev|talk]]) 13:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Requested move (archived)== |
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[[User Talk:Stevage|Stevage]] has proposed the following move at [[WP:RM|Requested moves]]: |
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[[Kings Cross railway station]] -> [[King's Cross railway station]]. Looks like the company website [http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Stations/Stations/KingsCross/Default.aspx] has finally made up its mind. [[User Talk:Stevage|Stevage]] 20:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Versions == |
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===Voting and discussion=== |
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There is no section discussing the various versions of ''Zelda'' in main body of the article, only in the intro. Intro should only summarize the article, so it's strange that there is no versions section. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 20:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''Support'''. If you look into the history of the name I believe you'll find the reference is to one particular king, hence the possessive "King's". Regards, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 21:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 09:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Suppoer'''. Given the clear policy change I would have just moved it... [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 14:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC) |
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You know, in cases like these, forget about WP:RM and just ask an admin to move the page. No need to wait for five days when it's as obvious as in this case. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightst</span>]]<font color="green">[[User:Nightstallion/esperanza|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">a</span>]]</font>[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">llion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 10:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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-Additionally, I'm very curious to know about the many versions re-released for the NES alone (including box art, manual, and other extras), as there seem to be several. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] 04:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC). |
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== THE HYRULE FANTASY == |
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==<nowiki>Image:London King's Cross sign.jpg</nowiki> == |
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Does the title of the FDS game really need to be all in caps? I realize that the text on the disk ''is'' capitalized, but I strongly suspect that this is merely for looks. When refering to the name in any other context, I don't feel it should be in capital letters. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] 04:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:Not at all. Our guidelines state we must follow proper case, not trademark desires. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC) |
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All right, well then: unless someone feels differently, or it can be confimed that the name ''is'' supposed to be in all caps, I'm going to change it. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] 02:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC) |
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May I ask, not intending to sound rude etc. where this picture has gone, as we appear to have began with 2 (as mentioned in page history) which admittedly is too many, but now the picture is non-existant in the article, I think that although didn't show much, it looked better than the current pic in the infobox (just my two cents), or at least somewhere in the article. Also may I take this oppurtunity to apologise for unintentionally altering the article (by the first addition of the infobox), sorry again for the tone if anyone finds it rude [[User:Djm1279|DannyM]] 19:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== Names == |
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==Latest change to intro== |
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(This topic is also listed on the WikiProject LoZ discussion page) |
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'''London King(')s Cross''' (officially),'''King's Cross''' or '''Kings Cross''' station is just too messy. I've placed it here and reverted it until a better, agreed intro. is established. [[User:Leaky caldron|leaky_caldron]] 20:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC) |
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There needs to be a definitive decision made regarding the Intro/names of the game articles (specifically: Zelda 1 and 2). I'm sick of people completely overhauling it every week or so; and usually not for the better. |
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== Recent nearby fire == |
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My feeling is: The introduction is supposed to be the part of the article that reaches out to everyone and gets them interested enough to read on. As of now: the pages state the name of the game (necessary), the name of the Japanese version of the game in romaji (potential useful), and the name of the Japanese version of the game in Japanese text (least useful); not to mention that various portions of the titles are repeated more than once. The end result is nearly a paragraph in itself; one that is generally alienating and uninteresting to both novice and veteran game players. |
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I know it's caused disruption in the last couple of days, but is a nearby fire (which wasn't even in the station if my understanding is correct) really worth mentioning in the article?--[[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]] ([[User Talk:Tivedshambo|talk]]) 15:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC) |
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There's nothing wrong with the information itself, only with it's current presentation and location. There's some good stuff in there, but it needs to be more concise, standardized, and it needs to be somewhere else in the article. (and not in the Introduction.) [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] 00:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't [[King's Cross station]] redirect straight here rather to a disambig page? This is '''by far''' the largest and best known station of the name. [[User:86.0.203.120|86.0.203.120]] 01:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC) |
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A newsletter forSwedish Nintendo videospelklubb (p. 4, No. 6, January 1989) suggested there was a third quest after completing the second quest and that differences to the second quest would eventually appear. Anyone know if this is true? --[[User:Bensin|Bensin]] ([[User talk:Bensin|talk]]) 12:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC) |
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:There's no third quest. I've beaten the second quest and you don't getting anything else after it. As far as sources to back up my statement just check either the "NES Game Atlas" or "Legend of Zelda Tips & Tactics" both are published by Nintendo and claim to cover the entire game and neither even mention a third quest. |
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[[Special:Contributions/75.93.9.235|75.93.9.235]] ([[User talk:75.93.9.235|talk]]) 22:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Very interesting, Besin. I see that you are correct. Nintendo Videospelklubb does indeed suggest this. I can't imagine how they got it wrong. Surely they would have verified that it was true before publishing it. I wonder what they were thinking of. I've never heard of a Third Quest before, although I have heard of the Satellaview version, ''BS Zelda no Densetsu'', unofficially referred to as the Third Quest with ''BS Zelda no Densetsu MAP 2'' as the Fourth Quest. I haven't been able to find a copy of Issue No. 7, but I wonder if they didn't retract that as a mistake in the next issue. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::No retraction in the two following numbers. --[[User:Bensin|Bensin]] ([[User talk:Bensin|talk]]) 20:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hidden secrets in games have long been the subject of urban myth. I refuse to believe that a mysterious third quest would have been mentioned in this single magazine and not in official publications, fan sites, or anywhere else. Even Metroid's glitchy secret worlds (not mentioned at all in official publications) are widely known at this point. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 22:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Believe it or not it's true. I've read the magazine. You can look it up yourself. The only question is what in the world they were talking about. Certainly ''my'' copy of the game does not have this "Third Quest." -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they discussed it. :-) I just think they made it up out of thin air. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 03:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Hogwarts Express == |
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I have removed the "Hogwarts Express" from the succession box: this was utterly ridiculous. If anyone objects, please discuss it here before putting it back. --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] 10:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
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I edited to reflect that the game was named "The Legend of Zelda", and not "The Legend of Ernest Borgnine." I am assuming that was vandalism, since my copy of the game does, indeed, say 'Zelda.' [[Special:Contributions/75.41.32.238|75.41.32.238]] ([[User talk:75.41.32.238|talk]]) 08:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Secret Game == |
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== Locomotives.. == |
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My friend (very reliable) told me that Link didn't have an official name in the original game, but if the user typed in the name Link in the name section, the player got a completely different game, he was deadly serious. But I don't see how this is possible, is that true? |
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..stabled there used to be marked " KINGS + " |
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These quibbles about the apostrophe are childish. An encyclopedia should be easy to use. In all such cases the various spellings should be redirected or be on a disambiguation page. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.97.161.230|77.97.161.230]] ([[User talk:77.97.161.230|talk]]) 20:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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It was "ZELDA", and it only changed the shapes and locations of the dungeons. As for whether this should be included, here is a rule of thumb: if your only source is you generally reliable friend, it's probably not notable enough. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 18:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==Fair use rationale for Image:First logo cropped F.gif== |
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==Merge in Quest for Thelda== |
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This appears to have almost no notability, but would be great as a few sentences or a paragraph in this article. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 22:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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'''[[:Image:First logo cropped F.gif]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]]. |
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:Agreed --[[User:Aridnyk89|Aridnyk89]] ([[User talk:Aridnyk89|talk]]) 11:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::I disagree. Whether or not an article is 'notable' is a very subjective thing. Someone who is interested in the Legend of Zelda may be satisfied with a few sentences or a paragraph glossing over its existence, but perhaps not someone who is interested in video games developed for the TRS-80 Color Computer, like myself. I care more about the circumstances and technical details surrounding the remake than what the actual remake was of. [[User:Citeoplasm|Citeoplasm]] ([[User talk:Citeoplasm|talk]]) 05:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 06:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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If you can find this information, that would help prove The Quest for Thelda's notability. All Judgesurreal is saying (I think) is that as is, it fails to assert its own notability, since the article currently is nothing more than a few lines comparing the game to The Legend of Zelda. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 05:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Fair use rationale for Image:First logo cropped F.gif== |
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::The year the game was released, the author, platform, input method, and amount of RAM the game required to run are all things I'm interested in that don't have much to do with the Legend of Zelda. For example, many games that pushed the limits of this computer would not run with the stock 128K RAM and would require an upgrade to 512K. I am not sure all of these details are appropriate in the main Legend of Zelda article. Does an article need to be lengthy for it to be notable? [[User:Citeoplasm|Citeoplasm]] ([[User talk:Citeoplasm|talk]]) 05:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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'''[[:Image:First logo cropped F.gif]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]]. |
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The article has already been deleted, so notability seems a moot point now. The information you mentioned may be more appropriate if you give the Quest for Thelda its own section/subsection. It may or may not deserve its own article, but I think we can give it its own subsection, if you can give us info on gameplay, development, ect. (with sources) [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 06:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Movie Adaptation?== |
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Just found this today, it seems legit, even though it was announced April 1st. http://movies.ign.com/dor/articles/863515/legend-of-zelda-movie-trailer/videos/legendofzelda_filmtrailer_040108.html |
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Even though the date of release is sketchy, it seems too legit to be a fake. |
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:While I do praise the quality of their work, I am almost completely certain that it is fake, no matter how much I would like it to be real. [[User:Mynameisnotpj|Mynameisnotpj]] ([[User talk:Mynameisnotpj|talk]]) 23:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, a zelda movie title would be very hard to keep a secret for long, and judging by the "Movie Trailer" it looks like it was in production for a while, if it exists, and especially since its Zelda, i'm almost positive its fake. I do believe that this april fools joke does diserve at least a paragraph in this article however. --[[User:Aridnyk89|Aridnyk89]] ([[User talk:Aridnyk89|talk]]) 11:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::It does not seem notable enough to keep in the article. Perhaps if they had released a real short-length movie, then it would be acceptable in the article. However, seeing as it is just a joke, it does not seem to be notable. [[User:Mynameisnotpj|Mynameisnotpj]] ([[User talk:Mynameisnotpj|talk]]) 12:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::::The film is under the name of "Zelda" (2009) at the Internet Movie dataBase, (IMDB) however it's only for users with an IMDBPro subscription. It is possible that this may be a clue that there is a Zelda movie in the works, whether this is an actual trailer for it or that it's something thats being guarded very secretly with IGN making it seem like an April Fools Joke, it's hard to say. I would be a fool to rule it out, but it's safe to not make an article of this just yet, April 1 2009 looks like a possible date for information regarding a Zelda movie. 12:22, 3 April 2008 (EST) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.160.66.149|58.160.66.149]] ([[User talk:58.160.66.149|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC) |
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If it is a joke, it seems like a alot of trouble to go through just for an april fools joke. The movie trailer I saw was very high quality, not something you would spend money on just to say "april fools." of course I'm just speculating. [[Special:Contributions/67.142.161.35|67.142.161.35]] ([[User talk:67.142.161.35|talk]]) 12:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:People are still fooled by this? [http://wii.ign.com/articles/864/864098p1.html Here]. '''<font color="8855DD">[[User:Pagrashtak|Pagra]]</font><font color="#6666AA">[[User talk:Pagrashtak|shtak]]</font>''' 13:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==is Link an elf?== |
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please answer with reason <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.121.172.7|124.121.172.7]] ([[User talk:124.121.172.7|talk]]) 09:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Link is a Hylian. It's a fact. [[User:Megata Sanshiro|Megata Sanshiro]] ([[User talk:Megata Sanshiro|talk]]) 10:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC) |
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To further answer your question. The Hylians are the main race of people that ihabit the kigdom of Hyrule. While they may have been based upon an "elf" for creative purposes the Hylians are not elves but more akin to humans as they have no special abilities like elves are generally associated with. [[Special:Contributions/69.254.108.68|69.254.108.68]] ([[User talk:69.254.108.68|talk]]) 18:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I'll be in Kings Cross on 21st April, any requests for images? [[User:Britishrailclass91|Britishrailclass91]] ([[User talk:Britishrailclass91|talk]]) 19:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Requested move == |
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==Zelda rap== |
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In a video of the [[Angry Video Game Nerd]], James Rolfe looks at issues of Nintendo Power. One of the questions in one of the issued had a user submitting a rap for Zelda, which seems to be the one in the Zelda commercial. |
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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''No consensus for the move'''. --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Is this real or not or I don't know... <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.72.82.183|71.72.82.183]] ([[User talk:71.72.82.183|talk]]) 15:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''[[:London King's Cross railway station]] → [[:King's Cross railway station]]''' — For consistency with other London railway stations, should not have "London" at the start of the name, for example [[St Pancras railway station]]. See also [[Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Naming conventions]]. The page was moved to add "London" by a user in March 2007 without discussion. --'''[[User:JRawle|<font color="blue">J</font><font color="navy">Rawle</font>]]''' ([[User talk:JRawle|Talk]]) 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Release year == |
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For consistency with other London railway stations, should not have "London" at the start of the name, for example [[St Pancras railway station]]. See also [[Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Naming conventions]]. The page was moved from [[King's Cross railway station]] to add "London" by a user in March 2007 without discussing it first. (The apostrophe has previously been discussed.) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JRawle|JRawle]] ([[User talk:JRawle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JRawle|contribs]]) 12:23, 22 August 2008</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> |
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Is it notable to add that this was released on the same year as the original Metal Gear and Final Fantasy? [[User:Ffgamera|Ffgamera]] ([[User talk:Ffgamera|talk]]) 03:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:<s>Seconded. [[User:Adambro|Adambro]] ([[User talk:Adambro|talk]]) 11:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)</s> I'm reconsidering this issue as part of the discussions of the wider naming convention for London stations. In this particular instance London isn't a disambiguating term which we've added, it is part of the name similar to Manchester Piccadilly and as such I'm no longer convinced that removing "London" from the page name is such a good idea. [[User:Adambro|Adambro]] ([[User talk:Adambro|talk]]) 16:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:No. And in Japan it was released a year before the others. [[User:Belasted|Belasted]] ([[User talk:Belasted|talk]]) 03:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Thirded. This is a well known station. [[Special:Contributions/199.125.109.134|199.125.109.134]] ([[User talk:199.125.109.134|talk]]) 22:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Legend movie == |
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:There's also a [[Kings Cross railway station, Sydney|Kings Cross railway station]] in Sydney. The current name makes the distinction clear. (To be honest, I think it would be better if all the major mainline termini in London had 'London' in the article name.) [[User:DrFrench|DrFrench]] ([[User talk:DrFrench|talk]]) 23:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I removed this information because it's BS. [[User:The Free Gift Wagon|The Free Gift Wagon]] ([[User talk:The Free Gift Wagon|talk]]) 13:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::That one is, and always has been, located at [[Kings Cross railway station, Sydney]]. There's no doubt that the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic.3F|primary topic]] is the station in London. '''[[User:JRawle|<font color="blue">J</font><font color="navy">Rawle</font>]]''' ([[User talk:JRawle|Talk]]) 23:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Yeah its nothing but a fantasy speculation itself. If you want a Zelda Movie, try the Phillips CDI games :) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JasonHockeyGuy|JasonHockeyGuy]] ([[User talk:JasonHockeyGuy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JasonHockeyGuy|contribs]]) 06:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::Quite. But that doesn't invalidate what I said. [[User:DrFrench|DrFrench]] ([[User talk:DrFrench|talk]]) 23:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::<s>'''Support'''. _If_ it were necessary for disambiguation against the Australian station (which I don't believe it is), the article title should be [[King's Cross railway station, London]]. But - with all due deference - the London station is the primary reference, IMO.</s> [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 23:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Don't forget that the Australian station is only ever known as ''Kings Cross'', never ''Sydney Kings Cross''. Whilst the London station is known as ''London King's Cross'' (on station signs), as well as just ''King's Cross''. We don't have ''Piccadilly station'' or ''Piccadilly station, Manchester'' - we have ''[[Manchester Piccadilly station]]'' - for the same resason, this should be ''London King's Cross''. [[User:DrFrench|DrFrench]] ([[User talk:DrFrench|talk]]) 09:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I forgot to add, that the original poster was not correct; we have [[London Waterloo station]] and [[London Victoria station]] - so changing this article will not deliver the desired consistency... [[User:DrFrench|DrFrench]] ([[User talk:DrFrench|talk]]) 09:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:The sensible (although probably not policy-compliant) thing to do would be to add "London" where it's necessary for disambiguation. So, London King's Cross (distinguish from Sydney), London Victoria (distinguish from Manchester, Sheffield, etc), London Charing Cross (distinguish from Glasgow), London Waterloo (distinguish from Waterloo in Merseyside), but all the rest (Fenchurch St, Liverpool St, Paddington, Marylebone, etc) without the "London". [[Special:Contributions/78.105.161.182|78.105.161.182]] ([[User talk:78.105.161.182|talk]]) 14:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Having read the debate, and (more particularly) the debate at St Pancras, I'm now convinced that the article name for any station should be the official name of the station. So - the question is, how do we determine what that official name is? The Network Rail site calls it "King's Cross" (no London) [http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/765.aspx]. The platform signs call it "London King's Cross". NRE call it "London Kings Cross" (no apostrophe) [http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/kgx/details.html]. My gut feeling (supported by [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations)]]) is to go with the platform signs, hence my opposition to this specific move. However, without having seen the platform signs (or photos of them) at any of the other terminii recently, I wouldn't want to offer an opinion on any other station. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 19:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Note''' - Looks like 3:2 against the move; is that consensus? [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 07:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:'''Comment'''. I think if it was a choice between having <u>''King's Cross, London''</u> or <u>''King's Cross railway station (London)''</u>, then it would be preferable to prepend instead: to ''<u>London King's Cross [railway] station''</u>. By <strong>no means do I think prepending "[London]" should be automatic</strong>; ''London Kensington Olympia'' and ''London Finsbury Park'' are somewhat nonsensical and the boundary for what ''is in London'' is going to cause problems (''London Tottenham Hale'', ''London West Croydon''?). —[[User:Sladen|Sladen]] ([[User talk:Sladen|talk]]) 10:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::I agree on that point - automatic appending gives us "London London Bridge". I feel, however, the case has been made out for "London King's Cross" specifically, without London Paddington or even London Victoria entering the equation. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 18:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Rationale behind this move cites a completely spurious 'for consistency' argument. Actually there is no consistency, with some London stations having the London prefix in the title (eg. [[London King's Cross railway station]], [[London Victoria station]], [[London Waterloo station]]) and others not (eg. [[Paddington station]]). I suspect the reason is to do with ambiguity, but even if it isn't, changing one name will not achieve consistency, and the proposal therefore fails by its own rationale. -- [[User:Starbois|Starbois]] ([[User talk:Starbois|talk]]) 13:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Just a comment to avoid confusion; an "Oppose" opinion means you're in favour of "London King's Cross", a "Support" means you're in favour of "King's Cross". I wouldn't want your !vote to be counted on the wrong side. :) [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 18:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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There is no consensus for the move, and as there are disambiguation problems, I don't see that there is an overriding procedural reasons for the move. (see [[WP:NC]] sections "[[WP:MC#Use the most easily recognized name|Use the most easily recognized name]]" and "[[WP:NC#Be precise when necessary|Be precise when necessary]]"). However as the only technical impediment blocking such a move was an edit history at the target page, I have removed the edit history so that in the future if there is consensus on this talk page the move can be made. --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Zelda classic? == |
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===New poll=== |
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I looked for "Zelda classic" (the open source PC version) on here and it just redirects to this article. [[User:Tcaudilllg|Tcaudilllg]] ([[User talk:Tcaudilllg|talk]]) 20:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:If it's functionally identical to the NES game (with the obvious exception of the controller), then that would likely be the reason; it's not notable enough by itself to get an article. If it's not mentioned in the Legacy section, you could try putting a sentence or two about it in there. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 05:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::What about the fact that it allows people to make their own games using the Zelda engine? I believe that [http://zeldaclassic.armageddongames.net/| Zelda Classic] is something completely different and deserves its own article. Somebody, go write one! [[User:Flagrama|Flagrama]] ([[User talk:Flagrama|talk]]) 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:If you can make original games with it, that could make it notable as a game development tool. Consult the wise ones for ideas about how to develop it, for I have none. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 06:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC) |
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London railway stations should all be named consistently. Should they be prefixed with London or not? Or doesn't it matter if they are not consistent? |
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== Article project. == |
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*'''Rename''' articles for consistency, but am neutral about whether they are prefixed by London (should add extra interest to the [London] St Pancras [International] debate!) '''[[User:JRawle|<font color="blue">J</font><font color="navy">Rawle</font>]]''' ([[User talk:JRawle|Talk]]) 12:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*If consistency is our goal, we have to accept the possibility of [[London London Bridge station]] - which says to me that we shouldn't have an _automatic_ "London" prefix, if nothing else. [[Special:Contributions/78.105.161.182|78.105.161.182]] ([[User talk:78.105.161.182|talk]]) 12:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I do not appreciate being "canvassed" to vote in this "new poll" which is just a red herring. Just move the station back to "King's Cross railway station" and be done with it. Everything on Wikipedia has to be done on a case by case basis. [[Special:Contributions/199.125.109.134|199.125.109.134]] ([[User talk:199.125.109.134|talk]]) 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' Whats the point, no other station has London at the beging of the name but of couse [[London Bridge station]]. At [[St Pancras station]] theres at talk about weather adding 'International' is a good idea thats more senseable than adding London to King's Cross. [[User:Likelife|Likelife]] ([[User talk:Likelife|talk]]) 17:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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** That is not true. See [[London Waterloo station]] and [[London Victoria station]]. -- [[User:Starbois|Starbois]] ([[User talk:Starbois|talk]]) 13:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' Google gives 1,260 hits for "London King's Cross railway station" and 13,900 for "King's Cross railway station". Can you guess which is the preferred name? Hint: (13,900-1,260)/1,260 = 10.03. [[Special:Contributions/199.125.109.126|199.125.109.126]] ([[User talk:199.125.109.126|talk]]) 19:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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[[User:New Age Retro Hippie/The Legend of Zelda theme|The Legend of Zelda theme]] - eh? Anyone wanna make an awesome article?! - [[User:New Age Retro Hippie|The New Age Retro Hippie]] [[User talk:New Age Retro Hippie|used Ruler!]] [[Special:Contributions/New Age Retro Hippie|Now, he can figure out the length of things easily.]] 05:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC) |
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This is not the place to debate this issue as it covers other pages and it was not advertised as a general debate at [[WP:RM]] or on the relevant project pages. It should probably be debated at a project level, and [[WP:NC]] needs to be followed including consideration of the sections "[[WP:MC#Use the most easily recognized name|Use the most easily recognized name]]" and "[[WP:NC#Be precise when necessary|Be precise when necessary]]" --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Release Date == |
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== Controversy and community links == |
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According to [http://zelda.com/universe/game/zelda/| the official Zelda site] and the Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition game disc, the official page for the game states the release date is actually July 1987. The only specific day I have been able to find appears to be on [http://cheats.ign.com/objects/005/005990.html| IGN], and it states July 1, 1987. [[User:Flagrama|Flagrama]] ([[User talk:Flagrama|talk]]) 23:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Silver cartridge? == |
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I'm concerned that links I've added to community groups in King's Cross are being deleted. There are controversial elements of the current station redevelopment and surely Wikipedia should refer to these? If not, then Wikipedia is guilty of taking a one-sided view of a two-sided debate. I totally agree it is not the place to promote one or the other, but I do feel strongly it should refer fairly and openly to both. |
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Hi people! I just came into the possession of an original cartridge of this game. The thing is, it is silver. Distinctively silver. I'll take a photo of it, so you can see with your own eyes. |
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I tried a google search, but I couldn't find anything substantial, except for a discussion at GameSpot, with a user claiming the same thing. [http://www.gamespot.com/nes/adventure/legendofzelda/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-43778120&pid=563433]. Does anyone have any info about this? --[[User:Soetermans|<small>'''Soetermans'''</small>]] | [[User talk:Soetermans|<small>'''is listening'''</small>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|<small>'''what he'd do now?'''</small>]] 11:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Specific additions I think should be made are: |
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P.S. In case you were wondering what this might have to do with the article, it might be something worth adding, right? :-) |
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(Under restoration) |
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:Possibilities include, but are not likely limited to: it's a custom cartrige (not as likely), it's a rerelease (possible), or the gold paint faded into silver (I lean toward this one). Whatever the case, I would advise that you find out precicely what it is, or it could be called [[WP:OR|original research]]. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 05:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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The redevelopment is controversial and has resulted in a [http://www.kingscrossaccess.com local campaign] being set up to press for improved access in the new design. |
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==Gameplay images please== |
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* [http://kxdf.wordpress.com/ King's Cross Development Forum, a group facilitating the community response to the King's Cross Central development] |
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I would like to see one or two images of gameplay, at the moment there are none, I think would improve article. A small number of low res images would be fair use, it is normal for video game articles. [[User:Carlwev|Carlwev]] ([[User talk:Carlwev|talk]]) 13:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com The King's Cross community website] |
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:There's one on [[The Legend of Zelda (series)|the series article]]. Would that work?[[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 03:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.kxrlg.org.uk/ King's Cross Railway Lands Group] |
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Apologies for not getting the Wikipedia procedure right, hopefully this posting is the right way to do it... |
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A screenshot of this game appears in the article about the series, I have added the image to this article as well, and added fair use rational to the image, since someone took it off due to no fairuse stated. I hope it will suffice. I thought it silly we have a screenshot of the game on wikipedia but aren't using it in the game article itself which had no screenshots. I am sure it must come under fair use to use a screenshot of a game in the article about that game itself as well as the series. I hope my wording was OK though. I like the image I think it's fine but I wasn't sure where the pefect place to put it within the article would be or what to write under it, I placed it for now but if anyone can do it better go ahead. [[User:Carlwev|Carlwev]] ([[User talk:Carlwev|talk]]) 04:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:It's fine now and has a sufficient rationale, but it's best to write the rationale ''before'' adding the image to an article, otherwise the image is infringing copyright. [[User:Haipa Doragon|Haipa Doragon]] ([[User talk:Haipa Doragon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haipa Doragon|contributions]]) 15:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Help! |
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==Recent vandalism== |
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[[User:PurpleNaartjie|PurpleNaartjie]] ([[User talk:PurpleNaartjie|talk]]) 14:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Members of 4chan are fighting to maintain vandalism done to this article. |
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== KCS contact info == |
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They are changing the main character's name from the correct "Link" to "Zelda". |
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where should it go in the article? |
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Room 104, West Side Offices |
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King's Cross station |
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thanks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.13.91.63|24.13.91.63]] ([[User talk:24.13.91.63|talk]]) 01:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The article already includes a link to the [http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/KGX/details.html KGX details page at the National Rail site] which appears to contain most of the information that you are proposing. Generally Wikipedia does not duplicate lists of facts that can be more effectively maintained by simply linking to them. Once again, thank you for the suggested it though! —[[User:Sladen|Sladen]] ([[User talk:Sladen|talk]]) 01:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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==Move discussion in process== |
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Suggesting a temp lock or something. |
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[[Special:Contributions/70.48.114.249|70.48.114.249]] ([[User talk:70.48.114.249|talk]]) 21:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)Lanced jack |
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:I strongly suggest locking this--[[User:Jim88Argentina|Jim88Argentina]] ([[User talk:Jim88Argentina|talk]]) 22:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::I've reported it at [[WP:RFP]]. [[User:Haipa Doragon|Haipa Doragon]] ([[User talk:Haipa Doragon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haipa Doragon|contributions]]) 22:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC) |
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I saw it. I wouldn't really trust an IP address when saying it was done by 4chan. All sites like that have wars with each other and blame vandalism on each other. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 21:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:I saw the thread on 4chan, but I can't say they started it.--[[User:Jim88Argentina|Jim88Argentina]] ([[User talk:Jim88Argentina|talk]]) 23:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Kings Cross IS used in the Harry Potter films. You can tell by the GNER trains there. Apparently JK Rowling was confusing Euston with Kings Cross when she was thinking of platform nine and three-quarters. In real life platforms 9, 10 and 11 are in another train shed.
St Pancras or St Pancrass ?
- only one 's'. -- Tarquin
- Thanks !
(To apostrophe or not to apostrophe)
Please note that there is no apostrophe in Kings Cross. Reference: http://eur-op.eu.int/code/en/en-4100213en.htm --The Anome
Here's the whole story (to date):
- Kings Cross is the name for the surrounding area, as supported by both style guides and general usage.
- Google searches also say that Kings Cross station is more common that King's Cross station
- King's Cross is the "official" signage for the stations
- but Kings Cross is the "official" usage in the timetable database, as well as being used on other official documents: joyously, the official station page at [1] uses both usages
The Anome 09:38 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)
Don't forget Harry Potter! (lol) Nevilley
- The first Harry Potter book uses King's Cross -- but hey, it's fiction.
Oh very quick. And next will we be starting on St Pancras, which is incorrectly given as St. Pancras all over the place???? And come to think of it, it really needs a proper entry, it's a sort of poor relation of K'in'gs 'Cros's 'sta't'i'on at the moment. I guess I probably mean St. Pancras station and its correct version St Pancras station here, rather than the place (where is it anyway?!) and the churches! I would insert a smiley at this point but don't know how. Nevilley 10:20 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)
(Bold warning)
From the article:
- Although considerable regenration effort (and money) has gone into the area over recent years, there is still a significant presence of drug dealers and prostitutes. Visitors are advised to remain within stations and/or on main thoroughfares during working hours and to exercise extreme caution in all locations at all other times.
This warning was added in bold text today. This seems at variance with my experience of Kings Cross, where my major worry is generally whether the trains are running and the length of the queue for mocha-cappuchino. Can the contributor of the warning give cites for the danger level suggested in the warning, please? The Anome 07:52 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
- Mentioning that the area is a traditional stamping ground for prostitutes is ok content for the 'pedia, I guess, but I don't think issuing advice about personal safety is encyclopedic, even in its now toned down form. (Maybe such advice would be ok in an article about personal safety but this article is about a particular geographical location). I propose its removal. Pcb21 10:44 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
The same contributor has added a similar warning to Soho.
- I'm going to edit that. Pcb21 10:52 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
- The original contribution has had an overall positive effect. Following my edit, a couple of recent changes watchers dived in and improved the article. Pcb21 12:07 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I like the work that has now been done on this. I do not agree that a personal safety warning must always be inappropriate for the wiki - after all it is just another piece of info, and if someone finds it useful one day then great, info has been provided! But I do agree that the tone of the initial one was a bit strong, and I think the way it works now is fine. Smiles all round! :) Nevilley 17:32 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC) PS Watch out for aggressive mocha vendors trying to hustle you! :)
- I agree that if 'authorities' (whoever they may be in a particular location) advise people to exercise appropiate caution then that we should report that useful info. E.g. it is official New York Subway policy to advice passengers to stand in the lit yellow areas of the platform when late at night. That should form part of the New York Subway article. However I am not sure Wikipedia and its contributors should issue advice by itself... who's to say Kings Cross is any more dangerous than a dozen other places in London (and elsewhere!) where advice is not issued. The current paragraph is a bit ambiguous in this respect. Having written all that, I guess it doesn't matter too much on the large scale! Pcb21 17:46 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
(Page move)
This page should be at Kings Cross railway station in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject London - see especially the recent discussion on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London but I can't get it to move. Timrollpickering 7:52, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Actually, this should be at King's Cross railway station (the lack of apostrophe in the station's signs are apparently typographic rather than concious choices), but I'll wait for someone else to give me the nod, given that others seem to disagree...
- James F. (talk) 18:24, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Well, now that (apparently) the official web page, the official signage, the London Underground, and indeed Transport for London generally, perhaps we can make a decision on this?
- James F. (talk) 01:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Convinces me. I've requested the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Stevage 20:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 10:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Requested move (archived)
Stevage has proposed the following move at Requested moves:
Kings Cross railway station -> King's Cross railway station. Looks like the company website [2] has finally made up its mind. Stevage 20:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Voting and discussion
- Support. If you look into the history of the name I believe you'll find the reference is to one particular king, hence the possessive "King's". Regards, David Kernow 21:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Proteus (Talk) 09:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Suppoer. Given the clear policy change I would have just moved it... Justinc 14:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
You know, in cases like these, forget about WP:RM and just ask an admin to move the page. No need to wait for five days when it's as obvious as in this case. —Nightstallion (?) 10:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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Image:London King's Cross sign.jpg
May I ask, not intending to sound rude etc. where this picture has gone, as we appear to have began with 2 (as mentioned in page history) which admittedly is too many, but now the picture is non-existant in the article, I think that although didn't show much, it looked better than the current pic in the infobox (just my two cents), or at least somewhere in the article. Also may I take this oppurtunity to apologise for unintentionally altering the article (by the first addition of the infobox), sorry again for the tone if anyone finds it rude DannyM 19:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Latest change to intro
London King(')s Cross (officially),King's Cross or Kings Cross station is just too messy. I've placed it here and reverted it until a better, agreed intro. is established. leaky_caldron 20:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Recent nearby fire
I know it's caused disruption in the last couple of days, but is a nearby fire (which wasn't even in the station if my understanding is correct) really worth mentioning in the article?--Tivedshambo (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Disambiguation
Shouldn't King's Cross station redirect straight here rather to a disambig page? This is by far the largest and best known station of the name. 86.0.203.120 01:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hogwarts Express
I have removed the "Hogwarts Express" from the succession box: this was utterly ridiculous. If anyone objects, please discuss it here before putting it back. --RFBailey 10:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Locomotives..
..stabled there used to be marked " KINGS + "
These quibbles about the apostrophe are childish. An encyclopedia should be easy to use. In all such cases the various spellings should be redirected or be on a disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.161.230 (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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Photos
I'll be in Kings Cross on 21st April, any requests for images? Britishrailclass91 (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the debate was No consensus for the move. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- London King's Cross railway station → King's Cross railway station — For consistency with other London railway stations, should not have "London" at the start of the name, for example St Pancras railway station. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Naming conventions. The page was moved to add "London" by a user in March 2007 without discussion. --JRawle (Talk) 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
For consistency with other London railway stations, should not have "London" at the start of the name, for example St Pancras railway station. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Naming conventions. The page was moved from King's Cross railway station to add "London" by a user in March 2007 without discussing it first. (The apostrophe has previously been discussed.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRawle (talk • contribs) 12:23, 22 August 2008
Seconded. Adambro (talk) 11:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)I'm reconsidering this issue as part of the discussions of the wider naming convention for London stations. In this particular instance London isn't a disambiguating term which we've added, it is part of the name similar to Manchester Piccadilly and as such I'm no longer convinced that removing "London" from the page name is such a good idea. Adambro (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thirded. This is a well known station. 199.125.109.134 (talk) 22:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- There's also a Kings Cross railway station in Sydney. The current name makes the distinction clear. (To be honest, I think it would be better if all the major mainline termini in London had 'London' in the article name.) DrFrench (talk) 23:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- That one is, and always has been, located at Kings Cross railway station, Sydney. There's no doubt that the primary topic is the station in London. JRawle (Talk) 23:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. _If_ it were necessary for disambiguation against the Australian station (which I don't believe it is), the article title should be King's Cross railway station, London. But - with all due deference - the London station is the primary reference, IMO.Tevildo (talk) 23:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)- Don't forget that the Australian station is only ever known as Kings Cross, never Sydney Kings Cross. Whilst the London station is known as London King's Cross (on station signs), as well as just King's Cross. We don't have Piccadilly station or Piccadilly station, Manchester - we have Manchester Piccadilly station - for the same resason, this should be London King's Cross. DrFrench (talk) 09:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- I forgot to add, that the original poster was not correct; we have London Waterloo station and London Victoria station - so changing this article will not deliver the desired consistency... DrFrench (talk) 09:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- The sensible (although probably not policy-compliant) thing to do would be to add "London" where it's necessary for disambiguation. So, London King's Cross (distinguish from Sydney), London Victoria (distinguish from Manchester, Sheffield, etc), London Charing Cross (distinguish from Glasgow), London Waterloo (distinguish from Waterloo in Merseyside), but all the rest (Fenchurch St, Liverpool St, Paddington, Marylebone, etc) without the "London". 78.105.161.182 (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Having read the debate, and (more particularly) the debate at St Pancras, I'm now convinced that the article name for any station should be the official name of the station. So - the question is, how do we determine what that official name is? The Network Rail site calls it "King's Cross" (no London) [3]. The platform signs call it "London King's Cross". NRE call it "London Kings Cross" (no apostrophe) [4]. My gut feeling (supported by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations)) is to go with the platform signs, hence my opposition to this specific move. However, without having seen the platform signs (or photos of them) at any of the other terminii recently, I wouldn't want to offer an opinion on any other station. Tevildo (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Note - Looks like 3:2 against the move; is that consensus? Tevildo (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. I think if it was a choice between having King's Cross, London or King's Cross railway station (London), then it would be preferable to prepend instead: to London King's Cross [railway] station. By no means do I think prepending "[London]" should be automatic; London Kensington Olympia and London Finsbury Park are somewhat nonsensical and the boundary for what is in London is going to cause problems (London Tottenham Hale, London West Croydon?). —Sladen (talk) 10:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Rationale behind this move cites a completely spurious 'for consistency' argument. Actually there is no consistency, with some London stations having the London prefix in the title (eg. London King's Cross railway station, London Victoria station, London Waterloo station) and others not (eg. Paddington station). I suspect the reason is to do with ambiguity, but even if it isn't, changing one name will not achieve consistency, and the proposal therefore fails by its own rationale. -- Starbois (talk) 13:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
There is no consensus for the move, and as there are disambiguation problems, I don't see that there is an overriding procedural reasons for the move. (see WP:NC sections "Use the most easily recognized name" and "Be precise when necessary"). However as the only technical impediment blocking such a move was an edit history at the target page, I have removed the edit history so that in the future if there is consensus on this talk page the move can be made. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
New poll
London railway stations should all be named consistently. Should they be prefixed with London or not? Or doesn't it matter if they are not consistent?
- Rename articles for consistency, but am neutral about whether they are prefixed by London (should add extra interest to the [London] St Pancras [International] debate!) JRawle (Talk) 12:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- If consistency is our goal, we have to accept the possibility of London London Bridge station - which says to me that we shouldn't have an _automatic_ "London" prefix, if nothing else. 78.105.161.182 (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I do not appreciate being "canvassed" to vote in this "new poll" which is just a red herring. Just move the station back to "King's Cross railway station" and be done with it. Everything on Wikipedia has to be done on a case by case basis. 199.125.109.134 (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Whats the point, no other station has London at the beging of the name but of couse London Bridge station. At St Pancras station theres at talk about weather adding 'International' is a good idea thats more senseable than adding London to King's Cross. Likelife (talk) 17:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- That is not true. See London Waterloo station and London Victoria station. -- Starbois (talk) 13:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Google gives 1,260 hits for "London King's Cross railway station" and 13,900 for "King's Cross railway station". Can you guess which is the preferred name? Hint: (13,900-1,260)/1,260 = 10.03. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
This is not the place to debate this issue as it covers other pages and it was not advertised as a general debate at WP:RM or on the relevant project pages. It should probably be debated at a project level, and WP:NC needs to be followed including consideration of the sections "Use the most easily recognized name" and "Be precise when necessary" --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Controversy and community links
Hi,
I'm concerned that links I've added to community groups in King's Cross are being deleted. There are controversial elements of the current station redevelopment and surely Wikipedia should refer to these? If not, then Wikipedia is guilty of taking a one-sided view of a two-sided debate. I totally agree it is not the place to promote one or the other, but I do feel strongly it should refer fairly and openly to both.
Specific additions I think should be made are: (Under restoration) The redevelopment is controversial and has resulted in a local campaign being set up to press for improved access in the new design.
(Under Links)
- King's Cross Development Forum, a group facilitating the community response to the King's Cross Central development
- The King's Cross community website
- King's Cross Railway Lands Group
Apologies for not getting the Wikipedia procedure right, hopefully this posting is the right way to do it...
Help!
PurpleNaartjie (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Sophie T
KCS contact info
where should it go in the article? Contact Tel: 02089294080 Address: Station Manager Network Rail Room 104, West Side Offices King's Cross station London N1 9AP Opening hours: 24 hours Monday - Sunday thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.91.63 (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- The article already includes a link to the KGX details page at the National Rail site which appears to contain most of the information that you are proposing. Generally Wikipedia does not duplicate lists of facts that can be more effectively maintained by simply linking to them. Once again, thank you for the suggested it though! —Sladen (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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