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::::No, you can't make that assumption, which is why I deleted the whole section from the article instead of just snippets. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 16:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
::::No, you can't make that assumption, which is why I deleted the whole section from the article instead of just snippets. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 16:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::Can you be specific as to what you object to and specifically on what grounds? This is a rather bland factual description of the episode which is fine so far as plot summaries of fictional works according to the manual of style. It strikes me as utterly absurd that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
:::::Can you be specific as to what you object to and specifically on what grounds? This is a rather bland factual description of the episode which is fine so far as plot summaries of fictional works according to the manual of style. It strikes me as utterly absurd that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::Far be it for me to suggest a compromise, but if you are unhappy {{xt|that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited}} then you could simply add that fact in without embellishment? For instance, "The Silence appeared in ''[[The Impossible Astronaut]]'' in 2011," perhaps? <font color="#00ACF4">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">constablewick</span>]]─╢</font> 16:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC) |
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The following material was deleted as speculation, but some can be supported by plot summarization, especially some of the material of the second paragraph. μηδείς (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- In The Vampires of Venice, Rosanna Calvierri said that through some of the cracks in the universe, the Saturnynians saw only silence and the end of all things. She would later go on to mention that her race "ran from the Silence" in fear, through a crack that acted as a portal. Following his defeat of Rosanna, when the Doctor was preparing to leave, a mysterious silence fell over Venice and everyone in a previously busy Venitian market had mysteriously vanished.
- The Silence took control of the TARDIS in 102 A.D. during "The Pandorica Opens". They forced it to land outside of Amy Pond's house on June 26th 2010, and it began to explode shortly afterward, trapping Dr. River Song inside of it within a time loop until the Eleventh Doctor saved her. Although the individual Silent behind the attack was never visible, it was heard to be speaking before the TARDIS exploded, saying: "Silence will fall!" After attending Amy Pond and Rory Williams's wedding, the Doctor discusses the TARDIS blowing up and mentions that "the Silence is still out there" before being distracted by a phone call.
- One was in a restroom in the White House in 1969 and killed a woman named Joy in front of Amy Pond. It knew Joy's name and also Amy's, possibly implying that it had psychic or telepathic powers.
Original research
The editor who has suggested that this article be deleted has described the description of the on screen appearance of the "Silence":
In "The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida - leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence.
as "original research". Perhaps he is unfamiliar with the fact that a work of fiction serves as its own source for a summary of its plot - which is what the comment amounts to. Indeed, given that the Silence is only credited in that episode, leaving out that episode is, Frankly, absurd. μηδείς (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- You seem to have (mistakenly, I'm sure) omitted to mention that the editor who first opposed deleting the article has also objected to the above material on the same grounds as myself. I'm sure you didn't mean to make quite such an incomplete comment. ╟─TreasuryTag►draftsman─╢ 16:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Also, it could be argued that the first appearance was the "Preview" for the episode, rather than the episode itself. And we don't know how many Silence are down there -- 4 could be plenty intimidating, if you can only remember the one you're looking at -- so "tunnels full of Silence" wouldn't apply. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Can I assume, Sarek, that you don't object to
with the speculative qualification "- leading to a timeship control room, and with the tunnels full of Silence" left out? μηδείς (talk) 16:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)In "The Impossible Astronaut", the Silence made their first on-screen appearance, shadowing the Doctor and his companions in two time zones. A Silent was present in the White House in 1969, murdering a woman in front of Amy Pond and telling her to inform the Doctor of his upcoming death - something she forgot about after, though she had taken a photo of the Silent. Later, River Song and Rory would discover a network of tunnels, centuries old, running beneath Florida.
- No, you can't make that assumption, which is why I deleted the whole section from the article instead of just snippets. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Can you be specific as to what you object to and specifically on what grounds? This is a rather bland factual description of the episode which is fine so far as plot summaries of fictional works according to the manual of style. It strikes me as utterly absurd that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited. μηδείς (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Far be it for me to suggest a compromise, but if you are unhappy that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited then you could simply add that fact in without embellishment? For instance, "The Silence appeared in The Impossible Astronaut in 2011," perhaps? ╟─TreasuryTag►constablewick─╢ 16:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Can you be specific as to what you object to and specifically on what grounds? This is a rather bland factual description of the episode which is fine so far as plot summaries of fictional works according to the manual of style. It strikes me as utterly absurd that the article fails to mention entirely the one episode in which the creatures actually appear and are credited. μηδείς (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- No, you can't make that assumption, which is why I deleted the whole section from the article instead of just snippets. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Can I assume, Sarek, that you don't object to
- Also, it could be argued that the first appearance was the "Preview" for the episode, rather than the episode itself. And we don't know how many Silence are down there -- 4 could be plenty intimidating, if you can only remember the one you're looking at -- so "tunnels full of Silence" wouldn't apply. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
sickness
- should it be mentioned that when Amy and River look away from silence they also begin to feel sick?--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 16:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)