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: Old Town is part of downtown. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC) |
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2018 Bar of the year vs 2018 New Bar of the year
For some reason Another Believer did not like my change. My edit reflects what it said in article, because the original phrasing in prose give an impression of greater significance. "2018 Bar of The Year" list would signify overall best. 2018 Best New Portland Bars" as said in the source is much more conditional which limits them to nomination to best bars for within the categories *new bars*, *within Porltand*. The less specific statement is apt to being misconstrued as more significant than what the source intended.
Graywalls (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, In my opinion, more sources use "Bar of the Year", so I'm trying to find a compromise that follows sourcing but does not skew significance. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:31, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- You're talking about other sources, but this source, which is embedded into prose is specific about "new bar of the year", so I am not sure why you feel the need to rephrase it to how other sources more commonly say it. WW might define it somewhere what they mean by "best new bar" somewhere on their page. To explain it and say "focus on newer" is a bit of original research which I think should be avoided. Graywalls (talk) 14:33, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- "Bar of the Year":
- https://www.wweek.com/bars/2019/02/18/no-vacancy-wws-2018-bar-of-the-year-will-close-permanently-this-week-following-legal-dispute-with-its-landlord/
- https://www.wweek.com/bars/2018/05/22/no-vacancy-lounge-is-the-most-ambitious-club-experience-the-rose-city-has-seen-in-years/
- https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/02/14/25891248/downtown-nightclub-no-vacancy-lounge-announces-closure-due-to-conflict-with-property-owner-melvin-mark
- ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- "Bar of the Year":
- I'm talking about the connected reference. Most specifically, the Willamette Week source called "A Survey of the Things WW Has Officially Declared “The Best” In the Past Year" found at the internet URL resource https://www.wweek.com/culture/2018/07/10/a-survey-of-the-things-ww-has-officially-declared-the-best-in-the-past-year/ The resource lists a whole bunch of stuff, but the content of interest is subtitled Best New Portland Bar of the Year which reads "No Vacancy Lounge, which transformed a century-old McCormick & Schmick's restaurant into an ambitious club that "strikes a careful balance between timeless glamor and a futuristic Technicolor utopia." May 22, 2018 " Graywalls (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, Yes, I understand a source says "Best New Portland Bar of the Year". There are more sources using simply "Bar of the Year". ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Then, feel free to report different versions said by the the different sources say. Graywalls (talk) 14:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the article's current wording. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Then, feel free to report different versions said by the the different sources say. Graywalls (talk) 14:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, Yes, I understand a source says "Best New Portland Bar of the Year". There are more sources using simply "Bar of the Year". ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm talking about the connected reference. Most specifically, the Willamette Week source called "A Survey of the Things WW Has Officially Declared “The Best” In the Past Year" found at the internet URL resource https://www.wweek.com/culture/2018/07/10/a-survey-of-the-things-ww-has-officially-declared-the-best-in-the-past-year/ The resource lists a whole bunch of stuff, but the content of interest is subtitled Best New Portland Bar of the Year which reads "No Vacancy Lounge, which transformed a century-old McCormick & Schmick's restaurant into an ambitious club that "strikes a careful balance between timeless glamor and a futuristic Technicolor utopia." May 22, 2018 " Graywalls (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Another source
---Another Believer (Talk) 16:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- ...if the purpose is for establishing notability, it adds nothing. It's a local guide that routinely talks about venues. Graywalls (talk) 16:19, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Deletion
@Reywas92: I've grown so, so tired of interacting with Graywalls, who just removed a chunk of content from this article. Do you mind taking a look to help determine whether or not the content and sourcing are appropriate? For the record, I'm not asking you or anyone to agree with me, but given my frustrations with this editor, I'd rather just ask outside editors for input. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Reywas92 and Graywalls: My apologies, I reviewed the edit summary and diff too quickly, and thought the content was removed. I now see just the number of citations was reduced. Sorry for the confusion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- What perplexes me in the first place is why you insert three different sources with huge chunk of text just to have three sources that repeat the announcement of Will Vinton's event is happening at 235 S.W. 1st Avenue in Portland, starting at 3 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 21. All I have done is removed nonconstructive reference bombing. Graywalls (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, I was scrambling to collect sources because of the deletion nomination. For the record, the 3 sources were bundled as a single inline citation. I was just collecting as much as possible at the time. I don't mind your trim, so let's please move on. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- And doing something like stacking things up to fluff it up is the very definition of "objectionable" editing that interferes with honest consensus building process. Graywalls (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, I've already said I was just collecting sourcing. I've apologized for the misunderstanding, and agreed to your trim. Can you please stop poking me for every little thing? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- And doing something like stacking things up to fluff it up is the very definition of "objectionable" editing that interferes with honest consensus building process. Graywalls (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, I was scrambling to collect sources because of the deletion nomination. For the record, the 3 sources were bundled as a single inline citation. I was just collecting as much as possible at the time. I don't mind your trim, so let's please move on. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- What perplexes me in the first place is why you insert three different sources with huge chunk of text just to have three sources that repeat the announcement of Will Vinton's event is happening at 235 S.W. 1st Avenue in Portland, starting at 3 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 21. All I have done is removed nonconstructive reference bombing. Graywalls (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Hidden comments
Instead of inserting hidden comments, care to share your concerns here please, Graywalls? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:38, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm inserting them as hidden comments in source so people reviewing the source can see it in relevant spots. Graywalls (talk) 20:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Graywalls, Actually, I think your comment is a bit general, and I'd prefer to discuss specific claims and sourcing, but I'm done interacting with you for now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
purged list of calendar events
I got rid of the hidden comment, and I also trimmed the list of people/band/events who have wiki blue link and extent of coverage limited to appearance in a calendar listing that happens to be booked at the venue. I left ones that seems to have some level of notability. This is an event venue. They hold events and airplanes arrive and depart from airports. Although history of events are verifiable on event calendar and flight arrival and departure history are also available form reliable sources, these mere routine happenings are not really inclusion worthy events. Now, if a certain flight or an event receives more than an appearance in a routine calendar, delay, cancellation notices of somewhat notable relevance to the VENUE or the AIRPORT, then those events or FLIGHTS are worth including to the venue or the airport. Comments welcomed. Graywalls (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
"Møthership: Planet LGBTQA"
For the record, here are two sources re: "Møthership: Planet LGBTQA", which have been removed, in case they are helpful in the future:
- Jankowski, Andrew (June 13, 2018). "Portland Pride Things to Do". The Portland Mercury. Retrieved February 19, 2019.
- "The 39 Best Things to Do in Portland This Weekend: Jun 15–17". The Portland Mercury. June 14, 2018. Retrieved February 19, 2019.
Thanks. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Will Vinton
For the record, here are sources mentioning the 'celebration of life' for Will Vinton:
- Zahed, Ramin (October 4, 2018). "Stop-Motion Icon Will Vinton Passes Away at 70". Animation Magazine. ISSN 1041-617X. Retrieved February 19, 2019.
- Rogoway, Mike (October 4, 2018). "Will Vinton, Oscar winner and pioneering Portland animator, dies at age 70". The Oregonian. Advance Publications. ISSN 8750-1317. Retrieved April 6, 2019.
- Prewitt, Andi (October 8, 2018). "You Can Watch Two Classic Films by the Late Portland Animator Will Vinton at Hollywood Theatre This Weekend". Willamette Week. Retrieved April 6, 2019.
---Another Believer (Talk) 20:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Location
It's in Oldtown, not downtown. https://www.portlandmaps.com/detail/neighborhood/OLD-TOWN-COMMUNITY-ASSOCIATION/57_did/?property_id=R140384 Wweek: From "It's a surprising scene to see at a nightclub on the edge of Old Town" Graywalls (talk) 08:19, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Old Town is part of downtown. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)