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[[:Eddard Stark]] → {{no redirect|Ned Stark}} – Ned Stark is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. In the [https://archive.org/stream/1.AGameOfThrones/1.%20A%20Game%20of%20Thrones_djvu.txt text] of the first book of Game of Thrones (where Ned appears and dies), "Eddard" is used 187 times, while " Ned " (with the spaces to discount words like happened) is used 498 times. [[User:Starship.paint|<font color="#663399">'''starship'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|<font color="#663399">'''.paint'''</font>]] '''[[User talk:Starship.paint|<font color="#996515">~ regal</font>]]''' 13:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
[[:Eddard Stark]] → {{no redirect|Ned Stark}} – Ned Stark is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. In the [https://archive.org/stream/1.AGameOfThrones/1.%20A%20Game%20of%20Thrones_djvu.txt text] of the first book of Game of Thrones (where Ned appears and dies), "Eddard" is used 187 times, while " Ned " (with the spaces to discount words like happened) is used 498 times. [[User:Starship.paint|<font color="#663399">'''starship'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|<font color="#663399">'''.paint'''</font>]] '''[[User talk:Starship.paint|<font color="#996515">~ regal</font>]]''' 13:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. Per Paint. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 14:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', per my comments above.— [[User:TAnthony|TAnthony]]<sup>[[User Talk:TAnthony|Talk]]</sup> 14:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' as the common name in both the show and the books.--[[User: Yaksar|Yaksar]] [[User talk: Yaksar|(let's chat)]] 01:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' as the common name in both the show and the books.--[[User: Yaksar|Yaksar]] [[User talk: Yaksar|(let's chat)]] 01:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': Ned is the more common usage in reference the TV show, and that has at least an order of magnitude more viewers than the book has readers (though the book results also support the move). Compare [//www.google.com/#q=%22Ned+Stark%22+TV+-book+-novel+-Wikipedia+-Eddard&safe=off this] narrowly-tailored search result to [//www.google.com/#q=%22Eddard+Stark%22+TV+-book+-novel+-Wikipedia+-Ned&safe=off that] one – Ned beats Eddard by 216,000 to 152,000 when you filter for exclusive usage of one vs. the other, in reference to the TV show only. Narrowing it even further to mentions of Sean Bean in the role, it's Ned 59,000[//www.google.com/#q=%22Ned+Stark%22+%22Sean+Bean%22+-book+-novel+-Wikipedia+-Eddard&safe=off] vs. Eddard 34,100[//www.google.com/#q=%22Eddard+Stark%22+%22Sean+Bean%22+-book+-novel+-Wikipedia+-Ned&safe=off]. I found this result surprising, since I always thought of him as Eddard, and had forgotten he was nicknamed Ned. Just goes to show that personal/anecdotal impressions are not reliable. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 11:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== Nationality == |
== Nationality == |
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Is Ned Stark the WP:COMMONNAME? / Requested move
Disclaimer: I clicked on the daily DYK and have not / do not plan to read / watch Game of Thrones. The article almost entirely refers to the character by the nickname Ned (74 times) than the real name Eddard (9 times). If the book and the TV show also refer the character as Ned instead of Eddard, then Ned Stark is the WP:COMMONNAME and this article should be moved to Ned Stark. As an example, I bring up Ron Weasley, notice the article is not at the real name of Ronald Weasley. If Ned is not the WP:COMMONNAME, the various Neds in this article need to be replaced by Eddards. Tagging TAnthony. starship.paint ~ regal 13:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Good question, I actually first added the expanded article to Ned Stark and then noticed that nearly all internal links were to Eddard. The sources are sort of evenly divided on the issue but I can go through and see if there's a trend. The POV chapters themselves are, I believe, all attributed to "Eddard" but I admit it felt more natural to use Ned in the article.— TAnthonyTalk 20:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- TAnthony, I have seen one of the Game of Thrones book before. So you're saying, at the start of the chapters, it says "Eddard"? But what about the actual prose of the book or the TV show? How do other characters address him? How does George Martin write him? starship.paint ~ regal 05:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- In the novel, the POV chapter titles are "Eddard" but within the prose Martin calls him Ned and most other characters that know him call him Ned. The TV series is pretty much the same way. My vote is that his common name is Ned, and I don't think this move would be controversial.— TAnthonyTalk 16:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- And for the record, both Eddard Stark and Ned Stark were redirects until about a week ago, when I restored Eddard Stark with a start article another editor and I had been working on in userspace. I then proceeded to expand it further. I suppose we should get some consensus but I really don't think such a move would be contested.— TAnthonyTalk 19:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Requested move
Eddard Stark → Ned Stark – Ned Stark is the WP:COMMONNAME. In the text of the first book of Game of Thrones (where Ned appears and dies), "Eddard" is used 187 times, while " Ned " (with the spaces to discount words like happened) is used 498 times. starship.paint ~ regal 13:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support. Per Paint. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support, per my comments above.— TAnthonyTalk 14:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support as the common name in both the show and the books.--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support: Ned is the more common usage in reference the TV show, and that has at least an order of magnitude more viewers than the book has readers (though the book results also support the move). Compare this narrowly-tailored search result to that one – Ned beats Eddard by 216,000 to 152,000 when you filter for exclusive usage of one vs. the other, in reference to the TV show only. Narrowing it even further to mentions of Sean Bean in the role, it's Ned 59,000[1] vs. Eddard 34,100[2]. I found this result surprising, since I always thought of him as Eddard, and had forgotten he was nicknamed Ned. Just goes to show that personal/anecdotal impressions are not reliable. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 11:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Nationality
The info box gives the nationality as 'Westerosi'. What's the citation for this?
Whilst the character is a resident within the westerosi state known as 'the Seven Kingdoms', his identity as one of the 'Northmen', a formerly independent indigenous group who are ethnically and religiously distinct from the non-indigenous conquering majority, is pretty central to his character. How are we defining nationality here? Given the setting of the novel, totally pre-modern, it seems particularly inappropriate to judge nationality on the basis of state allegiance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.193.157 (talk • contribs) 22:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Wow, you're taking this very seriously LOL. The template is generic for all fictional characters and I would actually argue that it doesn't really apply to ASOIF, at least by the name "nationality." But all the current individual character articles have "Westerosi" and I don't think any particular thought went into it. Are you suggesting we should put The North here for Ned? — TAnthonyTalk 04:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)