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::Hi 203.., thank you for your interest in donating! There should be a prominent link on the left sidebar of the page labeled "[https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserRedirector?utm_source=donate&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en Donate to Wikipeida]". Hope that helps! — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC) |
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== DEVILISH THOUGHT == |
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The devil will trick you into thinking that you won’t be happy until you get to where you think you should be. Learn to be happy with the here and now. Appreciate what’s in front of you. Be happy with what the Almighty has bestowed upon you. He won’t hesitate to take it away! |
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- mufti ismail menk. [[User:Asta bint Ahmad|Asta bint Ahmad]] ([[User talk:Asta bint Ahmad|talk]]) 18:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC) |
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- Caption — Not a factual error, but Wreckage from the Battle of Villers-Bocage seems unduly vague. Suggest change to "Wreckage of a British Cromwell tank at the Battle of Villers-Bocage." – Sca (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Will expanding the caption increase the portion of the main page taken up by the TFA?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Wehwalt, I suggest that this is a useful addition. I've just read the item and had the exact same uncertainty; is it the tank that we are talking about? If there's an imbalance of the main page as a result, that is easily fixed by adding or deleting something at OTD. In fact, I've just done so. It happens routinely. Balance concerns should never stop us from removing ambiguity. Schwede66 00:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it'll fit. Photo file says yes it's a Cromwell. I suppose "the Battle of" could be dropped from the caption for space, since the text begins with "The Battle of Villers-Bocage." – Sca (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Wehwalt, I suggest that this is a useful addition. I've just read the item and had the exact same uncertainty; is it the tank that we are talking about? If there's an imbalance of the main page as a result, that is easily fixed by adding or deleting something at OTD. In fact, I've just done so. It happens routinely. Balance concerns should never stop us from removing ambiguity. Schwede66 00:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Will expanding the caption increase the portion of the main page taken up by the TFA?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Starliner – The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight.... – Not a factual error, but "conducts" seems too anthropomorphic. Suggest change to "completes." – Sca (talk) 01:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- French Open blurb
- women's singles and men's singles should be lowercase
- suggest adding "titles" after "men's singles"
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Current DYK
among the 10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023
there should be some hyperlink (or something) explaining what a challenged book is. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- What should that link point to, Zanahary? I'm asking because I can't see a sensible target. And whether it should be linked is a separate question altogether. Schwede66 04:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a section of Book censorship in the United States? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any thoughts? (Gobonobo—Cunard—Rjjiii—Theleekycauldron) Schwede66 04:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Book censorship in the United States covers the term and has been in the "See also" section of the DYK article. I've added a piped link to Book censorship in the United States#Definition and terminology into the article's body text.[1] "Challenging a book" seems pretty common in the US, but if there are places where it's uncommon perhaps this could help? That section of that article is a solid link target. Rjjiii (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66, Gobonobo, and Zanahary: I have also glossed "challenge" in a sentence after the term is introduced in the DYK article.[2] It's a common enough term that most sources do not explain it, so I added a reference. Rjjiii (talk) 04:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any thoughts? (Gobonobo—Cunard—Rjjiii—Theleekycauldron) Schwede66 04:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Linking would be helpful because otherwise readers unfamiliar with "challenged books" in the US may think it means a book challenge, or a challenging book (to read), or a challenged (second bullet point) book. Perhaps as a target, American Library Association#Intellectual freedom, because
10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023
refers specifically to the ALA's Top 10 Most Challenged Books of 2023 list, and that's the section of the ALA article that discusses the ALA's challenged books lists. Or:among the American Library Association's 10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023
. But ultimately I think I like Zanahary's suggestion best (among the 10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023
), since the book censorship article discusses book challenges in more depth than the ALA article. Levivich (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a section of Book censorship in the United States? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
... that the Byzantine's weak defenses around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the fall of Constantinople?
- It looks like the "Byzantine's" part of this hook was added after DYK nomination as that wording isn't on the article's talk page. For grammatical reasons, I'd suggest either 1) removing "Byzantine's" (thus matching the nom hook), 2) rewording to "the weak Byzantine defenses ...", or 3) rewording to "the Byzantine Empire's weak defenses...". CAVincent (talk) 04:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- did the second one, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Next DYK
... that Arthur Fulton, his father and his son all won the Sovereign's Prize for rifle shooting?
There should be a comma before 'and'. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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General discussion
Requested move 24 October 2018
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus. See no agreement below to move this out of templatespace, and there is some apprehension about possible technical issues. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors may find rebuttals to those apprehensions and come back in a few weeks to try to garner consensus for the rename. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
– Not a subtemplate of {{Main Page}} (a redirect to {{Main Page toolbox}}), but instead of the actual main page. Main-page-related cruft tends to get put in Wikipedia namespace, so the CSS page should go there too. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 14:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- TemplateStyles CSS pages must have the sanitized-css content model to function, and only .css pages in the template namespace have that by default. I think it will keep the content model if moved outside of the template namespace, but if not, an admin can change it with Special:ChangeContentModel. (No opinion on which namespace is most appropriate, but when creating it, Template was the only option.) --Yair rand (talk) 02:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - did not understand Yair rand's comment, nor do I understand what this "template" does as it has no documentation, but if indeed it's not a subtemplate of {{Main Page}}, then this clearly needs to be moved to a different name. --Gonnym (talk) 09:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Gonnym, Wikipedia:TemplateStyles may help you understand the comment. In short, the template will store the CSS rules which will be used to style the main page using the TemplateStyles extension of MediaWiki. Personally I would prefer that the Main Page be replaced with {{Main Page}} and all the markup be moved to Template:Main Page which is what Wikidata and Commons do. However, I think that I am among a minority. — fr + 10:13, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- I have added this comment to the top of the CSS page to help clarify it (To any admin: feel free to improve my wording.) Remember, the Main Page is unique in that it is in the main article namespace, but is used like a portal, whose content is largely generated by templates. Unless there are modifications elsewhere (such as using Special:ChangeContentModel), my understanding is that a TemplateStyles CSS page must currently remain in the template namespace for it to function properly. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
- Counterexample: Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment the mainpage is a portal, so shouldn't it be Portal:Main Page/styles.css ? -- 65.94.42.18 (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
- No, because that would be inconsistent with Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow, Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox, etc. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Zero benefit. This is similar argument to mainpage being in article space and attempt to move it being consistently shot down. Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css is also wrong, since mainpage is not in the project namespace, unless you can move it to Main Page/styles.css, then template namespace is the only and best place for it. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support better place to put it than the template space. Keeps everything as sub pages of one page. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Not only is there no benefit but it is supposed to be a template and not a page Abote2 (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Tentative support. As noted above, most of the non-mainspace pages related to the Main Page are in projectspace, and I don't see why this should be different; it helps to put everything together. "Tentative" because maybe moving this page across namespaces would cause technical problems (as it would if we moved the aforementioned module, for example), and of course it's more important to avoid breaking something than to have everything in the same general area. Nyttend (talk) 01:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Bumping thread to prevent archival. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I added {{Do not archive until}} to the top of this section to prevent archival. Remove the code when you'd like it archived. Modulus12 (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
We got a new low here....
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Did you know...that the French submarine Amazone was named after a mythological tribe of women warriors?
...Amazon? Ya think?
Goatse there was a positive edit, compared to this. Qwirkle (talk) 03:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Think more global, because not everyone who reads the main page watched Wonder Woman or Xena when they were kids. Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 13:59, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- And it's not remotely obvious that it was named after the tribe, even if one did spend one's childhood watching "Wonder Woman", given that the US Navy—the navy with which en-wiki readers are most likely to be familiar—has a convention that certain classes of ship are always named after rivers, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for readers to assume the French follow the same convention. ‑ Iridescent 14:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Ahh, so you are defending one piece of trivial fluff by pointing out that it could have been based on different trivial fluff. Kewl. Qwirkle (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Even if it were named after the river, said river is named after the tribe, so the submarine would still be indirectly named after the tribe. Anything named "Amazon" traces back to the mythological ladies. The original poster is correct, this is extreme "well, duh, no shit, Sherlock" territory. --Khajidha (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- For westerners who are familiar with the Amazons already. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Submarine... new low... haha, yes I geddit. Lolness. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Even if it were named after the river, said river is named after the tribe, so the submarine would still be indirectly named after the tribe. Anything named "Amazon" traces back to the mythological ladies. The original poster is correct, this is extreme "well, duh, no shit, Sherlock" territory. --Khajidha (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Ahh, so you are defending one piece of trivial fluff by pointing out that it could have been based on different trivial fluff. Kewl. Qwirkle (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, heck, dyk there was a whole bunch of stuff named after those mystical ladies, including a bunch of other boats! Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 19:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- I thought they were all named after Jeff Bezos' company. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Grrr ... everyone else has already cracked all the good jokes I thought of. Daniel Case (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Leaving aside the sideline tribute to Airplane...and face it, guys, you’ll never top User:Martinevans123’s impression of Johnny, it’s bred in the bone...there’s an ongoing problem with this secrion of the main page. If the best argument someone can make is that a dead obvious DYK might enlighten someone totally unfamiliar with Western society, just rename it NSS and have done with it...and get it off the main page, because it doesnt really belong any more. Qwirkle (talk) 04:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- So is it that we're not getting non-western readers, or is it that they don't count? Because I know the former is wrong and I'd rather say the latter is as well. Or if you're not operating from the imperialist assumption that western culture is the global standard and that anyone who doesn't know it as well as their own is some savage we can ignore, should we avoid any DYK that someone from any part of the planet might say "well no duh" to? Because on Nov 19, we had an entry that many Filipino readers would remember. Heck, even within western cultures, we have entries that specific cultures would say "well no duh" too -- on Nov 13, we had an entry a lot of people in Finland would remember. And where do we set the bar? On Nov 13, we said that Ptolemy founded the Ptolemaic dynasty, which I'd regard as pretty obvious history info. On Nov 1, we had an entry saying that Satyrs were spirits in Greek mythology, something equally as basic as the Amazons. That's just in this month.
- Maybe, instead of just looking for something to pretend to complain about to feel smugly superior for knowing one's own culture, one could consider that that culture is not universal, that English is the most common second language on the planet, and this site is consistently within the top 10 most popular websites around the globe. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- If the best defense you can mount is a few adhominem strawmen, with a little PC flourishes thrown in, you should consider the possibility that your position is indefensible. Qwirkle (talk) 05:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- You have yet to present a valid reason for your complaints, just arguments that only work on the assumption that western culture is universal or that we don't get non-western readers or that non-western readers don't count -- none of which are true. I've taught plenty of university students overseas who would not have known who the original Amazons were, and they weren't stupid, they knew plenty about their culture that you wouldn't. To say that non-westerners wouldn't know some facet of western culture isn't some hypothetical for the sake of political correctness, it's a fact that anyone aware of the world beyond their own home town knows. It's a "no shit Sherlock" for anyone mature enough to acknowledge other cultures. If the best offense you can mount is dismissing huge swaths of the planet as "political correctness," you should consider the possibility that your attitude doesn't belong on the project. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- If the best defense you can mount is a few adhominem strawmen, with a little PC flourishes thrown in, you should consider the possibility that your position is indefensible. Qwirkle (talk) 05:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Leaving aside the sideline tribute to Airplane...and face it, guys, you’ll never top User:Martinevans123’s impression of Johnny, it’s bred in the bone...there’s an ongoing problem with this secrion of the main page. If the best argument someone can make is that a dead obvious DYK might enlighten someone totally unfamiliar with Western society, just rename it NSS and have done with it...and get it off the main page, because it doesnt really belong any more. Qwirkle (talk) 04:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Could you please set up a section for the donation to your site.....
I would like to make a donation to your site by cash in stead of using all the cards.
Also the detail of the donation to your site should be published and visible somewhere in your site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.111.26.30 (talk) 02:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- Try this page. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 04:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
DEVILISH THOUGHT
The devil will trick you into thinking that you won’t be happy until you get to where you think you should be. Learn to be happy with the here and now. Appreciate what’s in front of you. Be happy with what the Almighty has bestowed upon you. He won’t hesitate to take it away! - mufti ismail menk. Asta bint Ahmad (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)