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Removed some "The"s from character names. Some characters might be referenced that way: "Look! There's The Beast!" However, that isn't their character name. One wouldn't say: "The Beast, please come here." One would say: "Beast, please come here."
See: Talk:List of Marvel Comics characters
UtherSRG 20:22, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Imposters
If you're going to include Warskrulls or Phalanx as "members" - even though these characters only posed as members of the team for one or two issues - you might as well include every character who's ever possessed or impersonated an active member of the team. -Sean Curtin 02:13, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
I'd include everyone that was an original creation for the comic --Jamdav86
Handbook Marvel Teams
In the new Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Teams 2005's X-Men Entry it includes the splinter cells members as X-Men Members:
Muir Island X-Men from Uncanny X-Men #254-255, New Mutants Graduates X-Men from Uncanny X-Men Annual #15, Interin X-Men from Uncanny X-Men #392-393, New X-Men Street Team from New X-Men #149-150
I was wondering what we should do with the splinter cells here. Should we add the entrys from it to the list or... I have a idea because if we add more splinter cells it might look cluttered: We take out the splinter cells from main list of X-Men. Put Forge, Northstar and the rest who joined the X-Men, after being part of a Splinter Cell, back into the list when they joined the Main X-Men. And than Under the Main X-Men list but above the other X-Men Teams put each group in there own group giving all those who had been a member of that splinter cell? Does that sound good? -Jas0n22193
- IMHO the splinter groups should be listed, but kept separately. If that means that Northstar and Cannonball get listed twice, so be it. -Sean Curtin 05:24, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with Sean on this. Plus, that Handbook listing's kicked up such a firestorm elsewhere with its... lax... definition that the guys who put it together publically regretted not seperating the two out. - SoM 18:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Xorn
I have a question about Xorn. In X-Men #162 Shen Xorn says about the Xorn storyline that Magneto wasn't Xorn but someone else. Someone still in the X-Men's Midsts. And He didn't know who the individual was.
I thought by Magneto revealing he was Xorn took out Kuan-Yin Xorn as being the Xorn who joined the X-Men. And than Shen Xorn revealing Xorn wasn't Magneto made it someone Unknown still. But in Xorn's entry here on wikipedia states: "Later issues of X-Men have stated that Xorn was an actual person who was under the influence of the entity known as Sublime." Can anyone explain where that came from? I must have missed something somewhere. -Jas0n22193
- This is the sort of thing that happens without a clear plan, when you get two writers to retcon bits of a third story, then expect everyone to fit it together. In a nutshell, Xorn I was Kuan-Yin Xorn, and he joined the X-Men in his right mind. According to Austen's story (the one you mentioned), he was possessed, which caused him to go nuts, impersonate Magneto, etc. Now, in Morrison's story (the one being retconned), "Magneto" had been taking Kick, a power-enhancing drug which was actually a sentient... thing... called Sublime that influenced, and in some cases took over the hosts. Whoever wrote that bit of the Xorn entry just put two and two together. Meanwhile, over in the third story, Claremont's been saying that Magneto's not only alive, but he's not such a bad chap really, to back up the other retcon. - SoM 22:57, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Ahhh Thanks! --Jas0n22193 08:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Issue numbers
Hey I had a idea and was wondering what the rest of you thought, to include issues of when the members of the other X-teams joined. Maybe not with all of them, like with the villian teams (with all those Brotherhood teams and all those Acolytes), that might be a little much. Im just throwing that idea out. But also adding to much information on other teams could distract from the main point of this article, being as this is the List of X-Men. So either way I think the list is still great. --Jas0n22193 06:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I think that they all ought to have issue numbers for when the character first joined or was first active in each group. Annotations like that are one of the biggest advantage that lists have over categories. -Sean Curtin 00:15, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Footnotes
Hey I just had a idea for this page. Footnotes. The 2 main reasons why i think this list deserves it is: 1. This list is growing very well, but there are some places that need additional information that would look odd in the list itself. 2. Marvel is extremely confusing, and additional notes in certain places could be added to clarify any uncertainty. It would be so easy, and so much more helpful, to simply put a number beside the places that need additional notes that would be a link to the corresponding number in a list of notes at the bottom of the page.
Some of the places that I think would need a footnote would be: 1. Original X-Men: Explaing that Marvel did two origin storys for them 2. First Flight: though they are not on the list, they possibly could be added to it. But where a note would be needed is stating how in Marvel Handbook Wolverine there stated as former members but in Marvel Handbook Teams there not stated. And stating how they are the team that would be Alpha Flight but (if im not mistaken) was not yet called Alpha Flight during there first mission 3. On some members like Xorn II and Sabretooth who were mentioned in Marvel Handbook team who have very questionable X-Men status, let's mention the questionablity. 4. Mention how some splinter teams never were called X-Men but Marvel created there names later on. 5. Mention how Marvel created the names for some of the New X-Men Street Team members later for the Handbook And seriously there could be even more. Just throwing that idea out.
Seperate thought, with Alpha Flight, should we add First Flight and the Alpha Flight from the past now in the present? --Jas0n22193 04:13, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
Clarity/Entry Heading
This is a useful resource for seeing which characters were in which teams. Therefore, the heading should be changed to reflect this.
Hoewever, with this heading, you coud create a bare, alphabetical list of every X-Person (including real identities, changed codenames etc.), possibly as a sub-category of the main Marvel character list. --Jamdav86 09:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Good Point. --Jas0n22193 21:20, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
I have a idea with the Heading: Could we change the name of this article to List of X-Men Teams than set up the X-Men members somewhat like the X-Men: Splinter Cells. So it would be title, than table of contents, than X-Men category. So it would move "The X-Men is a team of comic book mutant superheroes, as published by Marvel Comics. An asterisk (*) will denote a current member of the team" down below the table of contents.
Under the table of contents would be X-Men with 2 =, than the description, than Original X-Men with 3 =. How does that sound? And what about changing Original X-Men, All-New All-Different X-Men to 1960s and 1970s? To make it go well with the rest? And we could under 1960s and 1970s say Original X-Men and All-New All-Different X-Men in the description. What does everyone else think? --Jas0n22193 02:14, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
I vaguely get you with this. I thought that heading up but never posted it, so definitely change to that. The only thing I couldn't understand was Under the table of contents would be X-Men with 2 =, than the description, than Original X-Men with 3 =., so could you please clarify this or, beter still, post an example of what you're proposing here in talk to look at and review.
It worries me that we're the only 2 people discussing this, Jas0n22193, as, if these proposals are put into action, they are pretty major and will effect layout and even links to this page. Someone should spread the word ----Jamdav86 16:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
New Heading
Could someone change the heading to 'List of X-Men Teams' please? --Jamdav86 5 July 2005 17:02 (UTC)
Hellions?
Shouldn't the original and King Bedlam Hellions be under "Enemies"?
Dates?
What gives with the dates and issues? It lists the original team as starting in (e.g.) "Cyclops, X-men #42, 1967"; "Iceman, X-Men #46, 1968." As far as I know, they all began in X-Men #1. Is this the issue that tells the recollection story of them joining? If so, it should be clarified, because it's very confusing. It makes it look like Mimic has been an X-Man longer than Cyclops. Carlo 14:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, they are when the originals graduated from students of Xavier to becoming full-fledged X-Men. Also I was wondering where I saw those dates and they come from the OHOTMU: X-Men. Originalsinner 03:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- It can't be the issues where an original graduated to X-man: Jean's is listed as X-men #1 and I doubt the original five all graduated in different issues. I think the issues in question are flashback issues, but there should be some way to note that these issues take place before X-men #1, their first actual appearance as an X-man.
- Jean does actually join in X-men #1. The others are already part of the team when she joins. Carlo 13:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Powers
Shouldn't someone put in the xmen's powers? That would make sense
- I'm not too sure, mainly because the consensus won't probably say "that's what their individual entries are for". Originalsinner 22:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Levels
Is there any actual backup for the levels that have been edited in? I know that X-men Forever stated that Jean and Iceman are Omega's, but the rest? I've edited so that all the non-mutants are at least listed as such, but some of the classifications seem rather arbitrary. Dizzy D 10:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why they're in there. Possibly because of the Omega-Level Mutants page being guarded by a few admins. Most I think is speculation though. Originalsinner 04:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, this should be taken out...seems very arbitrary and quite pointless.
- OK then, final chance for anybody wanting to keep the levels in to state their case. Otherwise I'll edit them out in the near future (say a week or so). Dizzy D 16:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think most of the levels are speculatory anyways so go for gold. Originalsinner 22:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Structure, Students and such
Hey, I've got a question....what the crap is going on with the structure? Some are in tables, some are in lists, some are in bulleted lists...there needs to be some unity (at least for the last two).
Secondly, I think the section on the students needs to be edited. Why make a division of the table just to say that Rogue, Iceman, and Beast were assigned students but their names and powers were never determined? I think that's ridiculous! Why not just have a note at the beginning of the whole section that explains "With the influx of mutant students, most X-Men were recruited as teachers and were assigned a squad of six students. Although every active memeber suppossedly were assigned students, some groups were either never seen, named, or given explainations of their powers." That would save a whole lot of room.
Lastly, I know that the notes section in the tables are supposed to contain relatively small amounts of information, but does it have to be so choppy? I mean "Most likely depowered. May be dead. Bisexual. Moved to single room. etc" does not make for a good read. I would even go so far as to say that irrelevant information like living status should be eliminated all together and contained to the individual pages for each character.
I've said my piece, so peace.