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* https://cp.copernicus.org/preprints/cp-2022-80/ |
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I see that {{U|Tobby72}} just added [[:File:Africa Climate 7000bp.png]] to the page. I am not sure if it was already added in the past, but I am not so sure that it accurately reflects the scientific consensus on vegetation during the AHP. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 12:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:The [https://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/ website it comes from] is interesting but it hasn't been updated since 1998 and links to a "new version" that is dead. As far as I can tell it only lead to one scientific publications, in [https://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue11/2/toc.html ''Internet Archaeology'' (2001)], which says a bit about the methodology. But yeah it looks very coarse and obviously not up-to-date. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 13:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Looks like [https://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/adams1.html this] is supposed to be the most recent version of the website. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 10:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Removed the image in the interim. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 15:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Regarding the length tag == |
== Regarding the length tag == |
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EGU not-yet published articles
- https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2022/egusphere-2022-890/
- https://cp.copernicus.org/preprints/cp-2022-57/
- https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2022/egusphere-2022-1102/
- https://cp.copernicus.org/preprints/cp-2022-89/
- https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2022/egusphere-2022-734/
- https://cp.copernicus.org/preprints/cp-2022-80/
Regarding the length tag
I'd like to disagree with the tag Dylanvt placed here - this is a very broad scope article (c.f WP:HASTE) that can't be neatly subdivided without prohibitive amounts of work (c.f also the peer review). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- It certainly doesn't need to be split, but I think it's worth considering. I could see the "causes" section (perhaps with the "background" section) being split off to a separate Causes of the African humid period article, and then summarized much more succinctly here. Also, is it possible to condense the bibliography? I know it doesn't affect the readable prose size, but we still have an enormous list of inline citations followed by the less enormous, and very neat, bibliography. Dylanvt (talk) 18:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, background isn't necessarily the same thing as cause and a lot of the academic literature on the AHP is precisely about its cause, so I am kind of wary of reducing its length relative to the other sections. The problem isn't just the amount of work involved in splitting it, but also that updating 2 or more articles with one source is more work than 1 article, and there is a lot of work every year in updating (a few tens of sources to use, out of a few hundred to check).
One day, this article will hit the size limits, I believe. I don't know how many years. But in light of the amount-of-work issue I'd rather wait until it happens.
Regarding the bibliography, I am not sure how to condense it. Maybe removing parameters like ISSN? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, background isn't necessarily the same thing as cause and a lot of the academic literature on the AHP is precisely about its cause, so I am kind of wary of reducing its length relative to the other sections. The problem isn't just the amount of work involved in splitting it, but also that updating 2 or more articles with one source is more work than 1 article, and there is a lot of work every year in updating (a few tens of sources to use, out of a few hundred to check).
I've just reverted material from Population history of Egypt that contradicts this article
See [1]. Is the editor right and should that be included in this article? Note that his edits almost all seem to be from an Afro-Centric perspective, which is his right if his edits meet our policies and guidelines. Doug Weller talk 09:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a fair amount of controversy on how quick the end of the AHP was and whether it occurred at different times in different places, but 2400BC is definitively not one major step along the way according to all the climatology papers I've seen - 4.2 ka and 5.5 ka are. I note also that none of the researchers cited appear to be climatologists. Besides, if the birth of Ancient Egypt didn't coincide with the end of the AHP, this would reinforce rather than weaken any theory of Ancient Egypt not being African, I would think, unless the inhabitants of AHP Sahara somehow don't count as African. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- 4.2 thousand years ago is 2178 BCE Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 00:28, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- The edit Doug Weller mentioned however says 2400BC. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus in any case, I struggle to offer gf to the editor. Doug Weller talk 14:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- 4.2 thousand years ago is 2178 BCE Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 00:28, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Earth's orbit around the sun vs. axial tilt
This edit changed the former to the latter, because it's slightly factually inaccurate. As can be seen from the causes section, axial tilt was not the sole cause for the AHP. Either way, I wonder if there is a formulation that does not rely on the technical term "axial tilt". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)