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::Having reviewed the external link given for one of the people named I could find no confirmation there that the person named was "child of alcholics" I have taken the view that the whole list should be removed, this on 2 major grounds, 1. failure to meet [[WP:BLP]] 2. That there is no confirmation that the people named were connected with particular organisation and, a personal opinion, is that these kinds of lists are more likely to have unverified and potentially libellous "facts" added. --[[User:Richhoncho|Richhoncho]] ([[User talk:Richhoncho|talk]]) 19:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
::Having reviewed the external link given for one of the people named I could find no confirmation there that the person named was "child of alcholics" I have taken the view that the whole list should be removed, this on 2 major grounds, 1. failure to meet [[WP:BLP]] 2. That there is no confirmation that the people named were connected with particular organisation and, a personal opinion, is that these kinds of lists are more likely to have unverified and potentially libellous "facts" added. --[[User:Richhoncho|Richhoncho]] ([[User talk:Richhoncho|talk]]) 19:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::: The properly sourced material has been restored. In response to your points: 1. The sourced material meets [[WP:BLP]] requirements. 2. I don't know which "organization" you are referring to, but "adult children of alcoholics" means just that, adults who were the children of an alcoholic, and the references clearly establish this condition for all people remaining in the list. --[[User:Elplatt|Elplatt]] ([[User talk:Elplatt|talk]]) 21:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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The removed entries are reproduced here for the purpose of developing the list: |
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* [[Roseanne Barr]] - comedian, actress |
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* [[Raymond Carver]] - author |
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* [[Susan Cheever]] - author |
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* [[Kirk Douglas]] - actor |
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* [[Dean Koontz]] - author |
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* [[Alice Sebold]] - author |
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* [[David Sedaris]] - humorist, author |
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* [[Suzanne Somers]] - actress |
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* [[Tobias Wolff]] - author |
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--[[User:Elplatt|Elplatt]] ([[User talk:Elplatt|talk]]) 21:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
Revision as of 21:50, 6 January 2009
Individuals who come from dysfunctional families without alcohol also share the same attributes. The article should make this clear.75Janice 02:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)75Janice 19 January 2007
- It is mentioned in the Co-Dependents Anonymous article. — Craigtalbert 01:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
t The contribution I have repeatedly tryed to add to Wikipedia is straight out of the book The 12 Steps For Adult Children From Addictive and Other Dysfunctional Families. I find it biased to list all of the negative qualities of Adult Children of Alcoholics set forth by Dr. Janet G. Woititz without offering benefits that recovery through the 12 steps has to offer Adult Children of Alcoholics.
References
This article could easily be better researched. There is plenty of reliable sources one ACOA/ACA — Craigtalbert 01:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
List of ACOAs
I see no reason for the list of ACOAs to be removed. Citations should be added, but the appropriate course of action is to tag the section, rather than removing large amounts of text without any discussion. I have restored the list, and will add the references I am aware of.--Elplatt (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- They should be removed if not verified see WP:V and WP:BLP, as far as I am concerned verification is the key, not whether any particular (famous) person was a child of alcoholic(s). I have looked at the articles of some of the people named, and not all of the articles mention this, I have checked the two external links and couldn't see verification there which also makes me wonder about those that are referenced to books. I'll leave it a couple of days - if you can whip the references into shape all well and good, if not I'll take it to admin for somebody else's opinion. --Richhoncho (talk) 02:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'm with Richhoncho, for WP:BLP reasons there should be a citation supporting each person on the list. If there is not one, according to WP:BLP, the information should be removed immediately. As such the list currently violates WP:BLP. -- Scarpy (talk) 01:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Having reviewed the external link given for one of the people named I could find no confirmation there that the person named was "child of alcholics" I have taken the view that the whole list should be removed, this on 2 major grounds, 1. failure to meet WP:BLP 2. That there is no confirmation that the people named were connected with particular organisation and, a personal opinion, is that these kinds of lists are more likely to have unverified and potentially libellous "facts" added. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- The properly sourced material has been restored. In response to your points: 1. The sourced material meets WP:BLP requirements. 2. I don't know which "organization" you are referring to, but "adult children of alcoholics" means just that, adults who were the children of an alcoholic, and the references clearly establish this condition for all people remaining in the list. --Elplatt (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The removed entries are reproduced here for the purpose of developing the list:
- Roseanne Barr - comedian, actress
- Raymond Carver - author
- Susan Cheever - author
- Kirk Douglas - actor
- Dean Koontz - author
- Alice Sebold - author
- David Sedaris - humorist, author
- Suzanne Somers - actress
- Tobias Wolff - author