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@[[User:Sumit banaphar|Sumit banaphar]], I'm also banaphar and I am a rajput that's why I comment here.[[User:Eroberar|Eroberar]] ([[User talk:Eroberar|talk]]) 16:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC) |
@[[User:Sumit banaphar|Sumit banaphar]], I'm also banaphar and I am a rajput that's why I comment here.[[User:Eroberar|Eroberar]] ([[User talk:Eroberar|talk]]) 16:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Their father was ahir from buxur |
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It is biggest misconception in the history is that every kshatriy and every king were raajput, it is not soo. Rajput is mediaeval terminology.. Historians used common term rajpoot for various kings belonging to ahir, jat, gujar,bhar, gond, pasi kings. [[User:Satyitihas|Satyitihas]] ([[User talk:Satyitihas|talk]]) 23:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Archeological survey of india states that they were ahirs. |
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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=WCArAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA73&dq=alha+udal+ahir&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY1uK4usTpAhWMzjgGHXg_D7cQ6AEIFzAC#v=onepage&q=alha%20udal%20ahir&f=false [[User:Satyitihas|Satyitihas]] ([[User talk:Satyitihas|talk]]) 23:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Udal and Alha were yadav soldiers and they fought with prithviraj chauhan and make him lose MahenSingha (Talk) 18:51, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2020
Please change Udal (full name Udai Singh) was a legendary person who, like his brother Alha, was of mixed Ahir and Rajput descent with Udal (full name Udai Singh) was a legendary person who, like his brother Alha, was Chandravanshi Banafar Rajput Warrior because historical evidences are available to proof that he was a chandravanshi kshatriya Rajput and not an Ahir Ksr31 (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Tartan357 (Talk) 08:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Their father was ahir from baxur. It is biggest misconception in the history is that every kshatriy and every king were raajput, it is not soo. Rajput is mediaeval terminology.. Historians used common term rajpoot for various kings belonging to ahir, jat, gujar,bhar, gond, pasi kings. Satyitihas (talk) 23:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
First of all his grandfather was Tomar (Rajput) and when he left the thrown his two son come with him but after his death Raja Parmal ask them to stay in Bundelkhand and they agreed.
Because they live a long time in Forest (van) that's why this clan is known as banaphar. And ahir, gujjar,jat etc are come in the shudra varna and kshatriya is a another varna.Then how they become kshatriya? And only kshatriya called as rajput, since the time of mahabharat and even before that Eroberar (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: as before, please provide reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 08:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020
Alha and udal(alha's younger brother) are rajput warrior. Alha and udal were children of dassraj which belongs to Rajput clan.It is
wrote in the alha kand ( referring to poetic works in hindi which consists of a number of ballads describing the brave acts of banaphar heroes alha and udal) that alha and udal are rajput. Articles (reliable sources):1. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ob7UAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAFegQIARAB 2.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=pR5uAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAEegQIAxAB 3.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=GQuNSQAACAAJ&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAIegQIBBAB Ultimate survi (talk) 17:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020
Udal was the younger brother of Alha and Alha was a Banafar Rajput [1], [2] Then why are they being told about the mixed background here? And the book given as reference to support the mixed background claim is totally nonsense because he clearly said that "banafar rajput", you can check:-[3] I see the article history and saw that for some 1 year people from other communities have been trying to tell all Rajput Heroes to be their own, without any fact and Wikipedia team not react at that time. And written in a line that ballads sing Ahir bravery and exactly one two lines ago it was written that they were of mixed background, isn't it stupid or isn't it not biases. I'm a Banafar Rajput myself and that's why I am saying all this. And this same mistake is in pages Banaphar and Alha,so I request you please correct it. Sumit banaphar (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Alha is banaphar rajput,and he belongs to rajput descent and this same mistake is in Alha and Banaphar so please correct there as well. Sumit banaphar (talk) 05:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Alha belongs to Banaphar community which is a rajput clan so please change Ahir and rajput to only rajput Sumit banaphar (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Sumit banaphar: I am not able to access the cited Hiltebeitel source. Are you saying that he did not say that Udal and Alha were of mixed descent? If not, do you have a published reliable source that contradicts him? Wikipedia summarizes only what is published in reliable sources. —teb728 t c 22:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- In fact, Hiltebeitel says explicitly (on p.163) that "Udal (and the rest of the Banaphars) is susceptible to "mean caste" slurs and slights because of his combined Ksatriya (Rajput) and cowherd (Ahir) background". The page that Sumit banaphar links to above does include the phrase "Banafar Rajput", but the context is crucial here: Hiltebeitel is discussing various accounts of the deity Candra, who has male and female characteristics, and mentions "a composite of two oral accounts gathered by Crooke in and around Mahoba" about a mythical divine origin of the Chandelas of Jejakabhukti. A woman is impregnated by Candra and is sent into the jungle by her father, gives birth to a son, "and the two are brought home by a "Banafar Rajput"" (p.238). In other words, that phrase occurs in a paraphrase of a retelling of a couple of oral accounts, and is not mentioned in connection with Udar. --bonadea contributions talk 10:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes I have reliable sources for what I'm saying.you can see here:-[4],[5],[6]and[7]if you want more i can,and yeah bonadea sir but he clearly said that banaphar is Rajput tribe see here[8] Eroberar (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sumit banaphar, I'm also banaphar and I am a rajput that's why I comment here.Eroberar (talk) 16:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)