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:Umm... No, they're not. Just because multiple people agree that an article has issues, doesn't make them sockpuppets. Feel free to file a [[WP:CHECKUSER]] though. Also, the above IP editors should be aware that unsubstantiated accusations tend to be construed as violations of [[WP:NPA]]. --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</small></sup> 21:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
:Umm... No, they're not. Just because multiple people agree that an article has issues, doesn't make them sockpuppets. Feel free to file a [[WP:CHECKUSER]] though. Also, the above IP editors should be aware that unsubstantiated accusations tend to be construed as violations of [[WP:NPA]]. --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</small></sup> 21:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Your hoax posts on Purdue are already known, and Bfigura / Editing / 65.54.98.XXX used multiple identities then. Your sloppy attempts at creating sock puppets are evident just in this section. Please stop. |
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Verification Method Needed
I suggest that links to authentic documentation must be provided here on the talk page before posting any chapter founded after WWI. There have been too many unofficial and unrecognized groups operating to allow post WWI content to go unchecked.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs).
sources
There is not a single source listed. How can anyone believe this shit.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs).
source added 129.93.82.151 15:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
additional source added 129.133.124.195 00:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm. Sorta wish this Wikipedia article didn't exist... When does a litte devil lie and when does he tell the truth?! (Just kidding.)
We have a very different version of historical events (and organizational definition) at NYU. Exp:Someone seems to freely characterize some chapters as "illegitimate" and be greatly in error regarding dates.
If some of our chapters have activities, structure or legend that is unique or different it doesn't diminish what we share in common. By the same token, it is becoming increasingly difficult to determine "who is who", what if anything is held in common, and by what method or supposed authority do these chapters come about. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by U2 (talk • contribs).
If dates should be corrected, then correct them. But this does represent an accurate historical picture of the origins of the society, and the society as described presently is accurate for the main body of the society. If there is some group that no longer "holds anything in common" with either a) the origins of the society, or b) the society as it currently exists, then what is that group a part of?
In regards to "b) the society as it currently exists," I don't believe you can even make such a broad generalization. Several chapters are united under the Alpha, which several years ago decided to just give itself authority to govern again, and many chapters still exist independently under the assumption that their actions are more in line with the origins of the society and that Alpha does not have legitimate control of the society. Many chapters characterized as "illegitimate" merely due to their independence should not be; however, there's also no denying that quite a few chapters have strayed from their original purpose and have taken on their own agendas, own rituals, etc, and don't hold much in common aside from the letters they claim to represent.
If you have the Alpha Chapter and chapters that are with the Alpha, and you have chapters that "exist independently" then it seems self-evident that the ones that exist independently will not have a say in how the rest of the society operates or rrepresents itself.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.199 (talk • contribs).
Nonsense
Someone added this: I believe in the Brotherhood of Man, in the Strength of Human Will, the Mystery of Fraternity, the Redemption of All Things by Intelligent Effort and the Message of Truth that has made the Bonds of Theta Nu Epsilon Eternal.
and called it "Credo".
Thsi has nothing to do with Theta Nu Epsilon, is a ridiculous combination of meaningless words, and has nothing to do with the history or desctiption of Theta Nu Epsilon. So it was deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs).
- If it has nothing to do with the Society, then I'm sure that's why it can be found in many of the old issues of the Theta Nu Epsilon Quarterly. Krusophalax 17:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- I assume you mean the "Keys", not the "Quarterly." Cite the minutes of a national convention where it was officially adopted. It certainly is not adopted by the national now. There is no so called "Credo" associated with Theta Nu Epsilon. I don't think any members of established legitimate chapters would recognize this chance paragraph as representing anything to do with the society. And, regardless, that bit of doggerel has nothing to do with an article explaining the history of the society because it explains nothing—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.183 (talk • contribs).
- That particular creed was written by Gordon Case - a 1908 graduate of Yale who was a member of Lambda Sigma chapter. He also went on to become an officer of the United National, and he was editor of the Theta Nu Epsilon Quarterly. Keep in mind, TNE had several nationals claiming control over the Society at any given time; however, the United National, at the time, was the legitimate body that assumed control after Alpha ceased to function as a governing and chapter granting body in 1907. "Keys" may have been a publication of another major national organization or by Alpha.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krusophalax (talk • contribs).
- I know who it was written by, I have the original. It was not adopted by any convention. It does not have any official status. It was printed on the back of "The Keys" which was the publication of the United National and was a successor publication to both "The Sophomore of Theta Nu Epsilon" and "The Theta Nu Epsilon Quarterly."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.199 (talk • contribs).
Founding Date
Someone keeps changing the founding date to December 5 from December 11. What is the reason for this change? Nearly all historic documentation points to December 11, including information found on the web. Krusophalax
Look, you don't know what you're talking about with any of this. You keep screwing up the chapter list without understanding what you're doing.
Relax.
Go home.
(Oh, and thanks for adding the box. It looks alright.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.183 (talk • contribs).
The National Organization
Some suggest that the National Organization does not represent all chapters. The truth is that, as far as anyone knows, the National Organization does in fact represent all chapters that exist and that operate under the name Theta Nu Epsilon. Organizations at Berkeley, Hamilton, Rutgers, and Nashville, for example, which clearly were formerly chapters do not operate as chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon. There are several universities that have defunct chapters which still have alumni members, but no undergraduates that actually meet as a chapter, (NYU and Purdue). The organization at Alabama is a closer call, but given the complex situation there, (that I am not going to go into here), they, too, can be said to not be operating under the Theta Nu Epsilon name. Therefore, it would be technically correct to say that ALL active chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon are a part of the National Organization. Even so, we are not going to insist on that, and will allow for the sensitivities of others and allow for the possibilities of unknown organizations. However, whatever phrasing is used, the truth of the situation would require that most, if not all, active chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon are a part of the National Organization.
The article as it was previously worded did cover that situation.129.133.124.199 23:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
References
Currently, there aren't any references cited here. (External links != References section), see WP:CITE for further details on how material should be sourced. --Bfigura (talk) 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- This article is greatly bent according to the taste of Weslyan's current Alpha group- which was not the only Alpha group in TNE's history. For example, Purdue's chapter was directly sanctioned by Yale in 1882 as the "Indiana Alpha"- and alsways functioned independently of the Alpha at Weslyan. This article is just not accurate- and appears to be more of an agenda to support Wesleyan's current upstart. This article needs better references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.117 (talk) 23:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Look, the Purdue chapter does not exist as a current organization it has been dead since the 1930's. Through June of this year, some person or persons with some sort of senseless Purdue agenda ran through wikipedia creating several fraudlent articles which had to be removed and posting a storm of argumentative rants in the process. (Some of this material is preserved in the history of this article.)
Even the above comments, regarding T.N.E. history, is untrue. Purdue was never an Alpha chapter and the misrepresentations of early summer proved that. No chapter of any kind was ever "sanctioned by Yale", and no chapter could be "sanctioned by Yale", since Theta Nu Epsilon was never directed by anyone at Yale, nor was Theta Nu Epsilon even a Yale society at that time. This bull is just tiresome. Whoever you are, please stop vandalizing this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.203 (talk) 02:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Which references support that claim? I'm not trying to be annoying, but if you're going to claim someone else is lying, you should have evidence to support your own claims. (And given the way the article is, you can't tell which source supports which fact). --Bfigura (talk) 02:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The Yale chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon was founded in 1903. It could not have 'sanctioned' anything in 1882. This claim by one Purdue person cannot be substantiated, and there were repeated requests that it be substantiated this summer, which was not done. Instead, more ridiculous claims were made, and several articles in wikipedia were compromised and had to be changed or deleted.159.247.3.210 15:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- This statement above is bogus. Purdue's chapter was sanctioned directly from Skull and Bones on that groups 50th anniversary. This is why Purdue's chapter was an independant Alpha that had nothing to do with the first Alpha at Wesleyan. The only resolution that Purdue's group made later on with Wesleyan was to use the Skull and Keys emblem later on. Also, there are many TNE groups that don't believe one bit that Weslyan's current upstart has any credibility what so ever. They have time and again welched on their word, removed talk page discussions, and only care to address talk page writing after their personal agenda of controlling the TNE page is put into question. None of the older TNE groups/alumni that have a legitimate history gives a hoot about TNE's current upstart. What ego you have to think that older and more legit TNE groups would answer up to you punks. It is time for a reality check. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.115 (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- This is correct, Purdue's chapter functioned differently than a typical chapters of TNE. It was created as it's own type of secret society by an association with Skull and Bones on their 50th anniversary,and did serve as a feeder society for upper class groups. Purdue's chapter would later adopt the TNE name and logo with a resolution with the Wesleyan outfit- but in actuality, much like Alabama's Machine, the Indiana Alpha group was only TNE in name and logo only- Purdue's group was far more selective with a tapping tradition that was more closely based on Yale's Skull and Bones. Purdue's group would benifit from its own page titled "The Indiana Alpha of TNE". Wesleyan was simply not the Alpha for all groups carring the TNE name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.114 (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Sock puppet!
One society cannot authorize a chapter of another society. Skull & Bones cannot authorize a chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon. You're obviously not familiar with either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.195 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've reported your use of sock puppets to wikipedia, and I am tracing your webhost at 65.54.154.XXX Have a nice day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.195 (talk) 03:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- You are a fool- and nothing more. The statement above stated that Purdue had its own society that later resolved with Wesleyan to use the TNE name and logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.98.109 (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Presumably 'Bfigura', the 65.54.98.xxx, addresses and 'Editing' are all the same person. Can they be banned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.247.3.210 (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Umm... No, they're not. Just because multiple people agree that an article has issues, doesn't make them sockpuppets. Feel free to file a WP:CHECKUSER though. Also, the above IP editors should be aware that unsubstantiated accusations tend to be construed as violations of WP:NPA. --Bfigura (talk) 21:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Your hoax posts on Purdue are already known, and Bfigura / Editing / 65.54.98.XXX used multiple identities then. Your sloppy attempts at creating sock puppets are evident just in this section. Please stop.