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(←) [[WP:STAND]], or at least what I took from skimming it, does not seem to mention lists of awards. Something interesting I found in that guideline though, was this quote: "The potential for creating lists is infinite. The number of possible lists is limited only by our collective imagination. To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the number of lists." Is there really a need to separate nine awards from [[Justin Bieber|an article that is not particularly large]]? –'''''[[User:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">Chase</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">talk]]</font>) 04:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
(←) [[WP:STAND]], or at least what I took from skimming it, does not seem to mention lists of awards. Something interesting I found in that guideline though, was this quote: "The potential for creating lists is infinite. The number of possible lists is limited only by our collective imagination. To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the number of lists." Is there really a need to separate nine awards from [[Justin Bieber|an article that is not particularly large]]? –'''''[[User:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">Chase</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">talk]]</font>) 04:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:Okay so i was correct. So the failed nomination was incorrect as there is no guideline on length of a list. That aside, he has 9 event nominations, 19 individual nominations and 9 wins. Do you really think that can be summed up in 2ish paragraphs? No, it cant. He should have his own page, its only going to continue to grow. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 04:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
:Okay so i was correct. So the failed nomination was incorrect as there is no guideline on length of a list. That aside, he has 9 event nominations, 19 individual nominations and 9 wins. Do you really think that can be summed up in 2ish paragraphs? No, it cant. He should have his own page, its only going to continue to grow. - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0099CC">[[User:L-l-CLK-l-l|(CK)Lakeshade]]</font> - <font face="Malgun Gothic" color="#0066CC">[[User talk:L-l-CLK-l-l|talk2me]]</font> - 04:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::It failed at FLC because it fails 3b of [[WP:FL?]]: "it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists; it is not a content fork, does not largely recreate material from another article, and '''''could not reasonably be included as part of a related article.'''''" And sure you can transfer what is in this very short list into prose - see below. –'''''[[User:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">Chase</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">talk]]</font>) 05:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
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===Suggestion for list-to-prose transfer=== |
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<blockquote>Since debuting in 2009, Bieber has been nominated for and won several awards. He was nominated for Best New Artist at the 2010 [[BET Award]]s, but failed to win. At the [[Juno Awards of 2010]], his EP ''[[My World (EP)|My World]]'' garnered nods for Album and Pop Album of the Year while he was nominated for New Artist of the Year; he did not win any of the awards. At the [[2010 MuchMusic Video Awards]], he earned two nominations in the International Video of the Year by a Canadian category (winning one for his "[[Baby (Justin Bieber song)|Baby]]" music video, which also won the Ur Fave Video category) and he himself won in the Ur Fave New Artist field. His "[[One Time]]" music video was nominated for Favorite International Video at the [[Myx Music Awards 2010]] but did not win.<br/><br/>Bieber won for Best International Arist at the 2010 [[TRL Awards (Italy)|Italian TRL Awards]] and Newcomer of the Year at the 2010 [[Young Hollywood Awards]]. He was nominated at the [[World Music Awards]] in the Best Pop Act and Best New Artist categories but did not win. While the 2010 [[Teen Choice Awards]] have not yet taken place, it has been announced that Bieber won four of his five nominations: Album - Pop for ''[[My World 2.0]]'', and Male Arist, Breakout Artist - Male, and Music Star - Male for himself (his Fanatic Fans nomination has yet to be announced). His nomination for Best New Artist at the [[2010 MTV Video Music Awards]] is currently pending.</blockquote> |
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Of course, refs still need to be added and this could maybe be edited a little to be less repetitive, but once that's taken care of, everything's all set. –'''''[[User:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">Chase</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:Chasewc91|<font color="blue">talk]]</font>) 05:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Merge proposal
This failed at FLC a few weeks ago with a very clear consensus that this should not exist as a standalone list. Bieber has a very small amount of award nominations to his name. It is way too early for him to have this subarticle. At present, the Justin Bieber article is only 35KB long, so I'm not sure why this was even split in the first place. –Chase (talk) 03:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose - He has enough stand alone work. Merge is unnecessary as he is going to get more nominations as time progresses and it would be pointless to merge, and then create again. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- First of all the user in question who nominated the article previously didn't really have a sense of true GA's and FA's on Wikipedia, but is learning more now. With that said, Oppose, he has enough awards for them to standalone. Candyo32 03:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- He only has nine awards. Everything that's here can be reduced to one or two quick paragraphs in the Justin Bieber article. As for your comment that it will have to be recreated again, User:L-l-CLK-l-l, you might want to take a look at WP:EFFORT. –Chase (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Neither one of us has invested effort into the article. Candyo32 03:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- The point that I am trying to make is that while this may be suitable for a standalone article in coming months, we should not keep this just because the effort would be lost. –Chase (talk) 03:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- He has enough for a stand alone article. And how does WP:EFFORT apply to me? - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- As the comments at the FLC showed, he does not. I'm not saying WP:EFFORT applies to anybody - I didn't check the history to see who was working on the article. It applies to the article: Bieber only has a small amount of achievements and they can easily be listed in the main article. My reply for you to read WP:EFFORT was a response to your comment that we should keep this because we'll (possibly) have to re-split it. –Chase (talk) 03:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Reading WP:STAND i failed to find anything indicating this article cannot exist. I could easily be wrong so you you please direct me to the appropriate heading stating a specific length the article must be. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- As the comments at the FLC showed, he does not. I'm not saying WP:EFFORT applies to anybody - I didn't check the history to see who was working on the article. It applies to the article: Bieber only has a small amount of achievements and they can easily be listed in the main article. My reply for you to read WP:EFFORT was a response to your comment that we should keep this because we'll (possibly) have to re-split it. –Chase (talk) 03:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- He has enough for a stand alone article. And how does WP:EFFORT apply to me? - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- The point that I am trying to make is that while this may be suitable for a standalone article in coming months, we should not keep this just because the effort would be lost. –Chase (talk) 03:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Neither one of us has invested effort into the article. Candyo32 03:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- He only has nine awards. Everything that's here can be reduced to one or two quick paragraphs in the Justin Bieber article. As for your comment that it will have to be recreated again, User:L-l-CLK-l-l, you might want to take a look at WP:EFFORT. –Chase (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- First of all the user in question who nominated the article previously didn't really have a sense of true GA's and FA's on Wikipedia, but is learning more now. With that said, Oppose, he has enough awards for them to standalone. Candyo32 03:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
(←) WP:STAND, or at least what I took from skimming it, does not seem to mention lists of awards. Something interesting I found in that guideline though, was this quote: "The potential for creating lists is infinite. The number of possible lists is limited only by our collective imagination. To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the number of lists." Is there really a need to separate nine awards from an article that is not particularly large? –Chase (talk) 04:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Okay so i was correct. So the failed nomination was incorrect as there is no guideline on length of a list. That aside, he has 9 event nominations, 19 individual nominations and 9 wins. Do you really think that can be summed up in 2ish paragraphs? No, it cant. He should have his own page, its only going to continue to grow. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 04:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- It failed at FLC because it fails 3b of WP:FL?: "it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists; it is not a content fork, does not largely recreate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article." And sure you can transfer what is in this very short list into prose - see below. –Chase (talk) 05:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Suggestion for list-to-prose transfer
Since debuting in 2009, Bieber has been nominated for and won several awards. He was nominated for Best New Artist at the 2010 BET Awards, but failed to win. At the Juno Awards of 2010, his EP My World garnered nods for Album and Pop Album of the Year while he was nominated for New Artist of the Year; he did not win any of the awards. At the 2010 MuchMusic Video Awards, he earned two nominations in the International Video of the Year by a Canadian category (winning one for his "Baby" music video, which also won the Ur Fave Video category) and he himself won in the Ur Fave New Artist field. His "One Time" music video was nominated for Favorite International Video at the Myx Music Awards 2010 but did not win.
Bieber won for Best International Arist at the 2010 Italian TRL Awards and Newcomer of the Year at the 2010 Young Hollywood Awards. He was nominated at the World Music Awards in the Best Pop Act and Best New Artist categories but did not win. While the 2010 Teen Choice Awards have not yet taken place, it has been announced that Bieber won four of his five nominations: Album - Pop for My World 2.0, and Male Arist, Breakout Artist - Male, and Music Star - Male for himself (his Fanatic Fans nomination has yet to be announced). His nomination for Best New Artist at the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards is currently pending.
Of course, refs still need to be added and this could maybe be edited a little to be less repetitive, but once that's taken care of, everything's all set. –Chase (talk) 05:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)