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:The study concluded: "[T]here is no consistency or uniformity in the practice of girls ''Khafd'' in India. Accounts indicate that Types 1a, 1b, and Type 4 FGM/C are practiced by Bohras in India." When performed by a doctor, according to to the study, ''Khafd'' is more likely to be Type Ia or IV. When performed by a traditional circumciser, it's more likely to be Ia or Ib (p. 42). |
:The study concluded: "[T]here is no consistency or uniformity in the practice of girls ''Khafd'' in India. Accounts indicate that Types 1a, 1b, and Type 4 FGM/C are practiced by Bohras in India." When performed by a doctor, according to to the study, ''Khafd'' is more likely to be Type Ia or IV. When performed by a traditional circumciser, it's more likely to be Ia or Ib (p. 42). |
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:It seems that there is a counter-movement within the Bohras to advocate for FGM and persuade people that it's just cutting the skin, i.e. Type Ia. They have set up a website. Anyone editing Wikipedia about FGM who is also |
:It seems that there is a counter-movement within the Bohras to advocate for FGM and persuade people that it's just cutting the skin, i.e. Type Ia. They have set up a website. Anyone editing Wikipedia about FGM who is also , nvolved in off-wiki campaigning about it would have a conflict of interest. See [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest]], specifically [[WP:COICAMPAIGN]]. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 21:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::And your reason for posting the above information is why exactly? The Muslims called "Female Circumcision" analogous to Male Circumcision, and both are limited to the prepuce. That's what's in the Islamic scriptures, and that's what the WHO calls "Female Circumcision". Everything you're posting is actually agreeing with what i'm saying. The term "Female Circumcision" needs to be defined from different view points. As for the WHO, FC is a part of FGM, but the words are not synonymous. I've noticed you've inserted a quote by "Martha Nussbaum (Sex and Social Justice, 1999)" to substantiate that FGM and FC are the same words. You may want to read up on the following to understand the difference between "Female Circumcision" and FGM in terms of defintions. And you will realize there is another POV, and that should be taken into account: |
::And your reason for posting the above information is why exactly? The Muslims called "Female Circumcision" analogous to Male Circumcision, and both are limited to the prepuce. That's what's in the Islamic scriptures, and that's what the WHO calls "Female Circumcision". Everything you're posting is actually agreeing with what i'm saying. The term "Female Circumcision" needs to be defined from different view points. As for the WHO, FC is a part of FGM, but the words are not synonymous. I've noticed you've inserted a quote by "Martha Nussbaum (Sex and Social Justice, 1999)" to substantiate that FGM and FC are the same words. You may want to read up on the following to understand the difference between "Female Circumcision" and FGM in terms of defintions. And you will realize there is another POV, and that should be taken into account: |
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:::::I already clarified that I am not involved in a campaign off or on wiki and that you should stop assuming the same repeatedly because I said it clearly. It would be civil to discuss the user instead of the content as this is already behind us. I am not trying to insist a single claim based on my own knowledge rather would be willing to back it up with sources. I hope you do agree that making a claim with references is not disruption on the article rather due process. If you disagree with the content, sure, you can point it out here on talk and I will only insert it in to the article with consensus. I have registered your mentions of "NOTADVOCATE" and "POVFORK" and these are not my intentions. I am creating those for content wise differences, not in anyway to avoid the same editors who are on this page. You can surely join in and participate in consensus there too, once it is published, to keep that article NPOV too. Furthermore, WHO is not the sole authority on all topics concerning health. This is an article on Wikipedia, not a WHO site and WHO shall be given only [[WP:DUE]] weight as given to any other reliable source. With that said, any minority views, can be reflected as minority views. I'm not saying that we even mention minority views as a fact, rather attribute that view to that minority with sources that there are such views that exist too. Wouldn't excluding that would be censorship? If you agree with the good faith point at hand, we can move on to discussing sources and those minority views. I will try to keep it as such that there is no misunderstanding that the views are presented as global facts. We can ofcourse have the article in a way that it does show that none of the views are global facts, rather some backed up by WHO sources while others attributed (intext) to other sources so that there is no misunderstanding at the reader end.[[User:Muffizainu|Muffizainu]] ([[User talk:Muffizainu|talk]]) 13:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC) |
:::::I already clarified that I am not involved in a campaign off or on wiki and that you should stop assuming the same repeatedly because I said it clearly. It would be civil to discuss the user instead of the content as this is already behind us. I am not trying to insist a single claim based on my own knowledge rather would be willing to back it up with sources. I hope you do agree that making a claim with references is not disruption on the article rather due process. If you disagree with the content, sure, you can point it out here on talk and I will only insert it in to the article with consensus. I have registered your mentions of "NOTADVOCATE" and "POVFORK" and these are not my intentions. I am creating those for content wise differences, not in anyway to avoid the same editors who are on this page. You can surely join in and participate in consensus there too, once it is published, to keep that article NPOV too. Furthermore, WHO is not the sole authority on all topics concerning health. This is an article on Wikipedia, not a WHO site and WHO shall be given only [[WP:DUE]] weight as given to any other reliable source. With that said, any minority views, can be reflected as minority views. I'm not saying that we even mention minority views as a fact, rather attribute that view to that minority with sources that there are such views that exist too. Wouldn't excluding that would be censorship? If you agree with the good faith point at hand, we can move on to discussing sources and those minority views. I will try to keep it as such that there is no misunderstanding that the views are presented as global facts. We can ofcourse have the article in a way that it does show that none of the views are global facts, rather some backed up by WHO sources while others attributed (intext) to other sources so that there is no misunderstanding at the reader end.[[User:Muffizainu|Muffizainu]] ([[User talk:Muffizainu|talk]]) 13:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:: When there is fare discussion on FC vs FGM going on, how come there is sudden change of topic and advocacy/conflict of interest etc has come in picture. |
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It seems there is some other pressure tactics being utilised. -[[User:Md iet|Md iet]] ([[User talk:Md iet|talk]]) 04:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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FGM, non-MEDRS Source, and Health
FGM is such an issue which is affecting life of many innocents in the name of faith. This issue need a complete new approach to handle it. In the name of faith, religion and nonsense issues politics is played and there is heavy loss to human beings. FGM is also a similar faith issue, which is playing menace.
Definitely FGM can be termed as cruelty to children, but it is harming them more if practice is not made under control and to perform FGM non scientific means are used. This issue need an open mind thorough discussion on subject making all the issues very clear to the communities where it is in practice.
There are no indication of effect of various control being used to abolish the practice. Legislation will never give any full proof solution in the matter of faith and people may find some other means , which may harm more. This is perfectly position on FGM.
When practice is legally acceptable for male with all surgical procedure used on children, as it is proven to be advantageous. Although many research is done on FGM, there are always some scope left when we see that even new elements and planets are discovered now and then. Restricting non MEDRS sources is restricting same as restricting thoughts and discussions, then how can further research can be initiated.
Our main aim should be to restrict dangerous practice in the way it is done, whatever approach we take. Wikipedian's views on this serious subject are welcome.--Md iet (talk) 14:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is a paper published on the subject with Abstract:
"Despite 30 years of advocacy, the prevalence of nontherapeutic female genital alteration (FGA) in minors is stable in many countries. Educational efforts have minimally changed the prevalence of this procedure in regions where it has been widely practiced. In order to better protect female children from the serious and longterm harms of some types of non-therapeutic FGA, we must adopt a more nuanced position that acknowledges a wide spectrum of procedures that alter female genitalia. We offer a revised categorisation for nontherapeutic FGA that groups procedures by effect and not by process. Acceptance of de minimis procedures that generally do not carry long-term medical risks is culturally sensitive, does not discriminate on the basis of gender, and does not violate human rights. More morbid procedures should not be performed. However, accepting de minimis non-therapeutic f FGA procedures enhances the effort of compassionate practitioners searching for a compromise position that respects cultural differences but protects the health of their patients." ...Paper: "Female genital alteration: a compromise solution" by: Kavita Shah Arora,1,2 Allan J Jacobs3[2].
This paper is very reliable and can be a guide line toward protecting innocent victims. Editors requested to put forward their views on inclusion of the ideas in this feature Article. --Md iet (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- The paper is pushing a tiny-minority position, namely that removal of the clitoral hood (Type Ia), some form of excision (Type II), and ritual nicking (Type IV) should be permitted in countries that have criminalized FGM. There's no reason for us to expand the article with "some doctors have argued this or that". We would need sources that showed this was a significant-minority view among reliable sources. SarahSV (talk) 16:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- It is pushing, dragging or, knocking any minority/ majority tiny/big position is not the issue but the main issue is whether rejecting this view altogether helping the cause? Banning and criminalizing the practice is not a solution to control the practice which is related with faith of people.
- Faith religion is a such issue which better can be resolved through guiding the affected through proper channels. Women are affected because of this and they only are most rigid on following the faith. Men concerned many times even do not know of the existence of the practice in their family.--Md iet (talk) 04:25, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Further suggestion to tackle the issues pointed above is requested.--Md iet (talk) 03:29, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Anyone can edit Wikipedia. From that, it follows that there will often be dissatisfied people who find that their edits are not retained. There is not much that can be done about that because once explanations have been given there is no point in repeating them. Johnuniq (talk) 03:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, the problem here is not of satisfaction but of solution. Comment as below is added to clarify the horrible situation prevailing on the subject topic:
- "None availability of medically trained practitioner to the person who are unaware of FGM complication has worsen the situation. Some solution is to be found to unwanted side effects of the undesired.[1]"
References
Redirecting "Female Circumcision" page issues
1. The page "Female Circumcision" redirects to the FGM page. The problem with this redirecting is that it equates Female Circumcision = FGM. This is incorrect. Female Circumcision is a name given to a procedure/practice, and FGM is an umbrella term by the WHO, given for many (about 6) different procedure/practice from which female circumcision is one of them. Just like piercing is also a practice that comes under the FGM umbrella term. Therefore, Female Circumsiion ⊆ FGM (FC is a subset of FGM), not Female Circumcision = FGM.
2. This is further established by the WHO themselves who refer to Type 1a as female "circumcision" on page 2 of . Reference: http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/management-health-complications-fgm/en/ WHO guidelines on the management of health complications from female genital mutilation 3. Therefore, in order to be clear, I propose having a short description of "female circumcision", describing Type 1a clitoral hood procedure as per the WHO document. And then mention that the WHO considers this FGM. Below this, have a "see more" tab below it then linking it to the FGM page.
Muffizainu (talk) 06:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- The above is based on an assumption that there is a clear and universal definition of each term. That is not correct. Some people think FGM is fine while others think otherwise, and different groups of people use words to mean what they want them to mean. An encyclopedia has to cover the general topic, based on the most reliable sources. Having another article would be a WP:POVFORK. Johnuniq (talk) 09:07, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- When WHO refer some type with special designation then that should be treated as clear definition when WHO guidelines are treated as Bible for this major issue affecting children worldwide. The term need to be specifically clarified before redirected to general term.
- FGM is referred in this article as "Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision". When there is no 'clear and universal definition of each term', how come they equated in one go without giving any clarifications. -Md iet (talk) 10:31, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Continuing discussion on the Female Circumcision talk page, as the discussion is about that page.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Female_circumcision Muffizainu (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- There is only one topic, and that topic is covered in this article using WP:DUE material from reliable sources. Johnuniq (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Johnuniq How is it one topic? When there are two terms?
FGM and Female Circumcision. One is a practice, and one is a term given to a collection of practices. And that is why the redirecting is problematic.
[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]]What exactly is your argument here? The FGM article uses a the term "FGM", solely because it was coined by the WHO. And here, i'm providing a citation that the WHO themselves called Type 1a "female circumcision". So what more information do you need? If it wasn't for the WHO, you wouldn't have the term "FGM".
If you're looking for more sources, look no further that the Britanica Dictionary. It calls the Islamic practice of Type 1a "FEMALE CIRCUMCISION"
So, you have the WHO and a Dictionary statement.
Hence, what I propose is not to do a blanket re-directing. First clarify the term "Female Circumcision" according to the WHO guidelines and dictionary. They say that the WHO considers it amoungst one of the practices of FGM, and then have a "See more" tag to the FGM page. Muffizainu (talk) 14:16, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- The term female circumcision is used to refer generally to female genital mutilation. It is also used to refer to Type Ia FGM, the removal of the prepuce only, which the World Health Organization says rarely happens alone. [3][4] (p. 25) That is, circumcisers who say they are performing Type Ia are usually doing something else. The WHO bases this information on surveys of women and of medical examinations in which women were found to have undergone more extensive cutting than they realized. SarahSV (talk) 05:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
- The one topic is the traditional cutting of female genitalia, and this article obviously covers that. An attempt to develop another article would be an assertion that there is a thing called female circumcision that is a different practice from that described in this article. Ultimately the issue would be resolved with an WP:AFD deletion discussion which I believe would result in the deletion of any WP:POVFORK from this article. Another approach would be to acknowledge that there has been no "female circumcision" article for several years. Is that likely to be accidental? Is it likely that a missing article related to this topic has somehow been overlooked? Johnuniq (talk) 06:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
- You just answered the question. WHO referes to FC as "the removal of the prepuce only". If something else is happening, then it can't be called "female circumcision", right? All the more reason the term "female circumcision" needs to be defined clearly. By providing the different definitions of the word from the communties that practice and and the WHO if you may.
- @Johnuniq there isn't "another thing". FGM is an umbrealla term for multiple practices, and FC is one of those practices, and thus should have it's own article to describe what the practice is, just like Britanica does: https://www.britannica.com/topic/khafd
- And then give different explanations of the term "female circumcision".
- Example, "Medicine" is a science/term, and dentistry is a practice that falls under that umbrella term. Make sense?Muffizainu (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- Muffizainu, you read only part of my post. The term female genital mutilation includes what used to be called, and what some groups still call, female circumcision. Female circumcision is a category of FGM. It is a type of FGM. And (this is important), it is a type that the World Health Organization says is rarely performed. People who support FGM claim that it's all about a painless nick in the skin. As a matter of fact, that is not what normally happens, even when practitioners say that it is. That is one of the reasons that the term female circumcision is mostly avoided now. SarahSV (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- SlimVirgin, I somewhat agree with your statement.
1) If you agree that "female circumcision" is a category or type of practice, then why shouldn't it have a separate page to describe the various definitions of the term "female circumcision" by various authorities, and also include the WHO's definition if you want - as one of those defintions. Everything doesn't need to revolve solely around the WHO's stance.
2) The term "FGM" was coined by the WHO, so, the FGM page can be limited to the WHO's stance on the subject.
Muffizainu (talk) 06:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- SlimVirgin, I somewhat agree with your statement.
- It was the Inter-African Committee on Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children who started calling it female genital mutilation, in 1990, and the WHO then started using the term too. FC is not only a type of FGM (one rarely performed). It is also an equivalent term for FGM. More people use it to mean any and all types of FGM, than use it to refer to FGM Type Ia. SarahSV (talk) 06:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- SlimVirgin, You are perfectly right that FC is 'not only a type of FGM' but also an equivalent term for FGM'. Hence FC definitely is a type of FGM but it is used as equivalent term for FGM means FC definitely is not equal to FGM.
- It was the Inter-African Committee on Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children who started calling it female genital mutilation, in 1990, and the WHO then started using the term too. FC is not only a type of FGM (one rarely performed). It is also an equivalent term for FGM. More people use it to mean any and all types of FGM, than use it to refer to FGM Type Ia. SarahSV (talk) 06:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- When FC has different specific characteristic as also defined by WHO then it is to be specifically clarified in Wikipedia when there exist a separate page on FC. If people refer all other type of FGM forcibly as FC doesn't mean that FC is not clarified at all for benefit of genuine.-Md iet (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've added a source to the lead, per Muffizainu's request. (The source was in the terminology section and didn't need to be copied to the lead, by the way, but it's there now anyway, along with a quote.) It says: "Although discussions sometimes use the terms 'female circumcision' and 'clitoridectomy', 'female genital mutilation' (FGM) is the standard generic term for all these procedures in the medical literature."
- Very few sources use the term "female circumcision" now (anthropologists are the most likely to use it). The Wikipedia community has decided to follow the bulk of the sources and call all the procedures FGM, per WP:COMMONNAME. SarahSV (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Read below, I've posted a few sources that have used the term "female circumcision". Since the WHO themselves use the term "female circumcision", and since FGM is also a WHO umbrella term, the WHO's usage of all the terms should be clearly defined. Muffizainu (talk) 11:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- As for copy pasting in the lead, that's not required. If you should, you should copy past the WHO's defitinion in which it refers to Type 1a as "female circumcision". Muffizainu (talk) 11:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Read below, I've posted a few sources that have used the term "female circumcision". Since the WHO themselves use the term "female circumcision", and since FGM is also a WHO umbrella term, the WHO's usage of all the terms should be clearly defined. Muffizainu (talk) 11:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Very few sources use the term "female circumcision" now (anthropologists are the most likely to use it). The Wikipedia community has decided to follow the bulk of the sources and call all the procedures FGM, per WP:COMMONNAME. SarahSV (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
FGM = FC definition incorrect or citation required
The first sentence of the article is incorrect because it says FGM is "also known as" female circumcision. FGM is an umbrella term by the WHO, where as FC is one practice that falls under the WHO's coined term. I have added a [citation needed] tag to confirm the defintion of FGM = FC. If not then then I propose it should be reworded.Muffizainu (talk) 06:29, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
SlimVirginTerminology section doesn't refer to how FGM is also known as female circumcision. Please TALK or add suitable reference. You may want to refer to this article for a better idea on the term: https://www.britannica.com/topic/female-genital-cutting Muffizainu (talk) 09:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- There is a movement to end FGM led by Bohra women in India, WeSpeakOut. It is usually performed there on girls aged seven. WeSpeakOut organized a recent study involving 81 Bohra women who had undergone Khafd (Guardian, Reuters). Key findings:
Though supporters of Khafd in India claim Bohras only practice Type 1a (removal of clitoral hood only) and Type 4 FGM/C (pricking, piercing, cauterization), participants in the study (including a medical doctor (OB-GYN) who observed Khafd in his Bohra patients) reported that both Types 1a and 1b (partial or total removal of the clitoris and/or clitoral hood) are commonly practiced with very few cases of Type 4 FGM/C (p. 2).
- The study concluded: "[T]here is no consistency or uniformity in the practice of girls Khafd in India. Accounts indicate that Types 1a, 1b, and Type 4 FGM/C are practiced by Bohras in India." When performed by a doctor, according to to the study, Khafd is more likely to be Type Ia or IV. When performed by a traditional circumciser, it's more likely to be Ia or Ib (p. 42).
- It seems that there is a counter-movement within the Bohras to advocate for FGM and persuade people that it's just cutting the skin, i.e. Type Ia. They have set up a website. Anyone editing Wikipedia about FGM who is also , nvolved in off-wiki campaigning about it would have a conflict of interest. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, specifically WP:COICAMPAIGN. SarahSV (talk) 21:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- And your reason for posting the above information is why exactly? The Muslims called "Female Circumcision" analogous to Male Circumcision, and both are limited to the prepuce. That's what's in the Islamic scriptures, and that's what the WHO calls "Female Circumcision". Everything you're posting is actually agreeing with what i'm saying. The term "Female Circumcision" needs to be defined from different view points. As for the WHO, FC is a part of FGM, but the words are not synonymous. I've noticed you've inserted a quote by "Martha Nussbaum (Sex and Social Justice, 1999)" to substantiate that FGM and FC are the same words. You may want to read up on the following to understand the difference between "Female Circumcision" and FGM in terms of defintions. And you will realize there is another POV, and that should be taken into account:
- https://www.britannica.com/topic/female-genital-cutting
- Female circumcision in multicultural Singapore: The hidden cut: Gabriele Marranci1,2 1Macquarie University; 2Centre for the Study of Islam in the UK, Cardiff University
- The Practice of Female Circumcision among Muslims in Kelantan, Malaysia - Author(s): Ab. Rahman Isa, Rashidah Shuib and M Shukri Othman Source: Reproductive Health Matters, Vol. 7, No. 13, Living without Children (May, 1999),pp. 137-144 Published by: Reproductive Health Matters (RHM) Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3775716
- Female Circumcision and Clitoridectomy in the United States_ A History - Sarah B. Rodriguez
- https://femalecircumcision.org/a-problem-of-definition-female-circumcision-vs-fgm/ Mohammed Zakir - WHO’s Stance and the Criminalization of Female Circumcision The Protection of or Violation of Human Rights
- Muffizainu (talk) 11:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- To respond to your comments off topic and on me, on the FGM talk page, I do not have a conflict of interest as I am not among any one campaigning for or against WHO. I am making my remarks based on sources and evaluating sources in a topic of interest (FGM). Hope that clears that part of the discussion and you will not continue to accuse in favour of civility. Let us just discuss the content on FGM talkpage. Muffizainu (talk) 12:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting news report about FGM in the Dawoodi Bohra community. First, per WP:DUE, the article must reflect majority and significant-minority views as expressed by reliable sources, but not tiny-minority views. Our article does include some minority views, but we can't give them more space.
- You wrote that you're "not among any one campaigning for or against WHO". If you're involved in any off-wiki activism about this issue, there might be a conflict of interest. WP:COICAMPAIGN says: "Activities regarded by insiders as simply 'getting the word out' may appear promotional or propagandistic to the outside world. If you edit articles while involved with campaigns in the same area, you may have a conflict of interest."
- The English term "female circumcision" has been used for decades to describe all forms of female genital mutilation. In the early 20th century, researchers and others began calling it "mutilation", and from 1990 the IAC called it "female genital mutilation". The WHO followed suit in 1991. From 2011 the English Wikipedia did too.
- Trying to insist that "female circumcision" really refers to FGM Type Ia ignores that the WHO says Type Ia rarely happens alone. Women in your own community have said they've experienced Ia and Ib under the guise of what you call "female circumcision". The sources you produced above do not (that I can see) support your view, or are discussing Type IV (ritual nicking), or are not reliable. This article follows WP:COMMONNAME and WP:MEDRS (for the health aspects, which includes any claims about harm). Please see WP:NOTADVOCATE and WP:POVFORK. SarahSV (talk) 03:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- You wrote about campaigning conflict of interest.
- I already clarified that I am not involved in a campaign off or on wiki and that you should stop assuming the same repeatedly because I said it clearly. It would be civil to discuss the user instead of the content as this is already behind us. I am not trying to insist a single claim based on my own knowledge rather would be willing to back it up with sources. I hope you do agree that making a claim with references is not disruption on the article rather due process. If you disagree with the content, sure, you can point it out here on talk and I will only insert it in to the article with consensus. I have registered your mentions of "NOTADVOCATE" and "POVFORK" and these are not my intentions. I am creating those for content wise differences, not in anyway to avoid the same editors who are on this page. You can surely join in and participate in consensus there too, once it is published, to keep that article NPOV too. Furthermore, WHO is not the sole authority on all topics concerning health. This is an article on Wikipedia, not a WHO site and WHO shall be given only WP:DUE weight as given to any other reliable source. With that said, any minority views, can be reflected as minority views. I'm not saying that we even mention minority views as a fact, rather attribute that view to that minority with sources that there are such views that exist too. Wouldn't excluding that would be censorship? If you agree with the good faith point at hand, we can move on to discussing sources and those minority views. I will try to keep it as such that there is no misunderstanding that the views are presented as global facts. We can ofcourse have the article in a way that it does show that none of the views are global facts, rather some backed up by WHO sources while others attributed (intext) to other sources so that there is no misunderstanding at the reader end.Muffizainu (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- You wrote about campaigning conflict of interest.
- When there is fare discussion on FC vs FGM going on, how come there is sudden change of topic and advocacy/conflict of interest etc has come in picture.
It seems there is some other pressure tactics being utilised. -Md iet (talk) 04:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC)