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::::Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere - please correct me if I am mistaken...this discussion is not about you - you are a single issue editor in relation to Jewish issues but you wouldn't dispute that would you?. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 23:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
::::Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere - please correct me if I am mistaken...this discussion is not about you - you are a single issue editor in relation to Jewish issues but you wouldn't dispute that would you?. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 23:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::Off2riorob—I believe you have called me a "single purpose account" or something to that effect in settings other than the one I document above. You say, ''"Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere..."'' I will be the first to admit that I contribute to the encyclopedia on the topic of Jews. The block log will tell you all about my being blocked at the point in time you refer to. But I edit about other topics as well. I don't have to force myself to edit about other topics. I don't edit about other topics to deceive people into believing that I have other interests besides Jews. I will readily admit that as an account my interests range from Art to Science to Judaism to a variety of other interests. You need not slap labels on people. Editors are human beings with multiple interests. [[User:Bus stop|Bus stop]] ([[User talk:Bus stop|talk]]) 23:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
:::::Off2riorob—I believe you have called me a "single purpose account" or something to that effect in settings other than the one I document above. You say, ''"Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere..."'' I will be the first to admit that I contribute to the encyclopedia on the topic of Jews. The block log will tell you all about my being blocked at the point in time you refer to. But I edit about other topics as well. I don't have to force myself to edit about other topics. I don't edit about other topics to deceive people into believing that I have other interests besides Jews. I will readily admit that as an account my interests range from Art to Science to Judaism to a variety of other interests. You need not slap labels on people. Editors are human beings with multiple interests. [[User:Bus stop|Bus stop]] ([[User talk:Bus stop|talk]]) 23:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::Cool - I don't mind your edit history, just I retain the right to mention it without it being considered a wikipedia personal attack. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 23:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |
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About "Current Situation" of Anti-Semitism specifically in France, but everywhere else
One person´s opinion, influential or not, part of the government, the economy, the showbiz, etc. or not, DOES NOT encompass the anti-Semitic current situation, rather than just an opinion on the topic.
Opinions should not be considered part of the “Current Situation”.
Here what it says under France:
"... However, "it is Muslims rather than Jews who can expect to suffer more from bigotry in France", stated Holocaust survivor and former French cabinet minister Simone Veil. "Let's not exaggerate," she said. While noting that radical Islamists are behind some violent incidents against Jews in certain French neighbourhoods, "Anti-Arab sentiment is much stronger in France than anti-Semitism." France's Jewish community is much more integrated than its 5 to 6 million Muslims, she noted, claiming Muslim youth are moved by a militant and anti-Jewish hierarchy...
Jewish philanthropist Baron Eric de Rothschild suggests that the extent of antisemitism in France has been exaggerated. In an interview with The Jerusalem Post he says that "the one thing you can't say is that France is an anti-Semitic country."[59]"
--afa86 (talk) 18:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Anti-Semitism - new meaning
Whilst there is attached to this, much emotion; I believe to many people who describe themselves as Anti-Semitic, the word means they are opposed to the idea of a religious state, antisemites are not necessarily racist. The word in it's original intent referred to a diverse people of a geographic area, not one people who claim a god given right to occupy a land. The idea of separation of state and the values most westerners apply to their own governance are set aside here? Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.46.116 (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't understand what you mean, or how it's relevant to this article. Jayjg (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
See also's
Is Unification Church and anti-Semitism (now a redirect) such an important article that it should be one of the ones on the "see also" list? Steve Dufour (talk) 20:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- No. Jayjg (talk) 21:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I took it off. I am having a hard time even imagining why someone put it there in the first place. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 21:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Maybe "Uncle Ed", notorious Unification Church spammer who was always trying to stir up a discussion. Steve Dufour (talk) 21:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I took it off. I am having a hard time even imagining why someone put it there in the first place. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 21:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Statistical evaluation
"According to a 2004 study, Germany, France, Britain and Russia are the countries with the highest rate of antisemitic incidents in Europe."
Is it just a coincidence that these are the European countries with the highest population, with the highest rate of incidents to be detected in the country with the highest population (namely Germany)? Or have these numbers already run through a more elaborate evaluation and express a percentaged value? The quoted article does not give exact figures that would enable the reader to compare them to the overall population as well as the Jewish population in each country. Although there is not neccessarily a relation between the percentage of Jewish population in a country and the number of attacks directed against it, this could still be explanatory to a certain extent in regard to antisemitism as more of a pan-European phenomenon. Yet, if the quoted statement basically just presents numbers that could also be explained by their relation to the population of each mentioned country (as the term 'rate of antisemitic incidents' suggests), it has little statistical and thus informative value, at least in reference to a specific European country. Could someone find out more about that? --80.128.20.214 (talk) 00:16, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
- It says "rate," not "number." I agree that more information would be helpful, but it's definitely not a "they're taking the number of incidents and interpreting it to mean these countries are the most antisemitic." Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm not a native speaker of English, I can just rely on the Macmillan Dictionary that defines 'rate' as "the number of times something happens,or the number of examples of something within a particular period of time" (http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/rate) whith the earlier as my interpretation of that word. If this is perfectly clear to a native speaker, I guess that is my problem then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.128.20.214 (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Anti semitism card
I think it should be mentioned how charges of "Anti Semitism" are often used to deflect legitimate criticism of Judaism and most commonly Israel (aka the "Jewish state"). Such charges are also often used to self victimize and advance a imaginary view of "oppression" when there is none. Much has been made about this, specially of the ADL and its chairman Abraham Foxman who seems to cry "anti semitism" at the drop of a hat. People like Norman Finkelstein and Tali Mendelberg (both Jews) have written erxtensively on this. Even large Jewish groups and pro-Israel activists like have expressed concern on how real anti semitism may be dismissed as "yet another use of the anti semitic card" (as in the classic tale of "the boy who cried wolf").-Bill tzay (talk) 05:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
- We have been over this several times and those who own this article don't want anything like that as they think that is someone calls you and antisemite then you are an antisemite. Period. No discussion. // Liftarn (talk)
- The article Criticism of the Israeli government has a section that discusses that topic, at Criticism of the Israeli government#Suppression of criticism. But I'm not sure that it deserves much mention in this article. The article New Antisemitism would be more appropriate, since many definitions of New Antisemitism encompass various criticisms of Israel. --Noleander (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
- as stated by so many noble scholars, this article represents opinions from 1935~6 onwards, because there is no history of antisemitism before then at all anywhere. the crusades wouldnt be antisemitic, because no one besides jewish people have semitic backgrounds. also, according to wiki standards, this is not to discuss antisemitism. we can not allow you to talk about an article when its something controversial at all. Also, if we go through refrences and find op-ed articles can we delete them from references as they are opinion orientated?? wait, there i go showing my true colors, maybe cause my previous questions were deletedFortybam (talk) 20:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- The article Criticism of the Israeli government has a section that discusses that topic, at Criticism of the Israeli government#Suppression of criticism. But I'm not sure that it deserves much mention in this article. The article New Antisemitism would be more appropriate, since many definitions of New Antisemitism encompass various criticisms of Israel. --Noleander (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't a simple "Criticism" section suffice? I in no way condone the racial stereotyping of people of Jewish ancestry or religion (they do that plenty well themselves), or discrimination against anyone based on religion, race, skin colour etc etc - but at the same time it's hard not to notice that any rhetorical or intellectual or ad hominem criticism of any one Jewish person is often, by some/many but not all, treated as a blatant attack on *all* Jewish people. Leading to the situation that I, as a fairly reasonable and non-discriminatory international affairs analyst, fear the consequences of criticizing anyone of Jewish descent, or any one of Israel's thousands of policy decisions, lest I immediately have to defend myself against unfounded accusations of anti-Semitism. Hell, just look at what I just wrote. If I hadn't started off with a few disclaimers this inflamed subject would have immediately branded me as such.Pär Larsson (talk) 04:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Israel is likely the most criticized country in public discourse. It is criticized unceasingly in every forum, public, private, relevant or irrelevant. The amount of criticism heaped on Israel is actually nothing less than bizarre, given the dozens of horrific dictatorships or autocracies which commit heinous crimes on a daily basis, and escape all but the lightest comment. What is even more bizarre is that critics of Israel incessantly whine that if they criticize, for example, "any one of Israel's thousands of policy decisions", they will be accused of antisemitism, despite the copious evidence to the contrary. Not only is criticism of Israel welcomed in all fora - indeed, considered almost de rigeur for any discussion of politics - but such critics typically receive fulsome praise for it. Jayjg (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Let's stay on topic, please. If you feel that there are no reliable sources attesting this supposed "antisemitism card" phenomenon, just say so, don't go all TLDR with your political opinions. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- 128 words was TLDR? Wow, short attention span. Odd how the previous 152 word political speech by User:Parjlarsson didn't get the same response. Anyway, the point is, the claim that if someone who criticizes "any one of Israel's thousands of policy decisions" will be described as an antisemite is nonsensical because it runs counter to reality. Also, this article is about actual antisemitism, not political posturing. That's why the material is irrelevant here. Jayjg (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Jayjg, Funnily the white government of South Africa used to say much the same thing; why make a fuss when so many all black African governments are far worse. In both cases personally I think a key factor is the "Western" perception that the "perpetrators" are not "johnny foreigners" but "people like us". Israel is heavily criticised in large part because the Western world identifies with the Israeli government in a way which it does not for Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe etc etc etc. We feel guilty about Israel's behaviour because collectively we feel we share responsibility for it. Sorry about that. The only things which are more criticised are actually our own leaders and political parties. -BozMo talk 18:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- This pathology is a world-wide phenomenon, not just a "Western" thing, and those who incessantly, uninformedly, and irrationally criticize Israel do not feel "guilty" about Israel's behavior. Anyway, all that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of antisemitism, which is the topic of this article. Jayjg (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Let's stay on topic, please. If you feel that there are no reliable sources attesting this supposed "antisemitism card" phenomenon, just say so, don't go all TLDR with your political opinions. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Israel is likely the most criticized country in public discourse. It is criticized unceasingly in every forum, public, private, relevant or irrelevant. The amount of criticism heaped on Israel is actually nothing less than bizarre, given the dozens of horrific dictatorships or autocracies which commit heinous crimes on a daily basis, and escape all but the lightest comment. What is even more bizarre is that critics of Israel incessantly whine that if they criticize, for example, "any one of Israel's thousands of policy decisions", they will be accused of antisemitism, despite the copious evidence to the contrary. Not only is criticism of Israel welcomed in all fora - indeed, considered almost de rigeur for any discussion of politics - but such critics typically receive fulsome praise for it. Jayjg (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- par - it is a very narrow tightrope to walk. yes, one can criticize israel for its policies, actions, lack of actions, etc. BUT there is a way of doing it which is more intellectually honest than saying 'boycott israel because it is apartheid'. maybe see: [1] - it helps explain quite a bit. Soosim (talk) 06:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, all very relevant to a page about Anti-Semitism but not intuitively obvious to search for as a 3rd-party, reasonable observer. Which begs the question why there isn't a "Criticism" section (more accurately, "Criticism of usage of the term 'anti-Semitism' in public discourse to demonize an opponent and/or stifle debate" - but that's a bit long) in this article that links to the very link you gave me? I would boldly edit it in, but I'd rather not be boldly accused of anti-Semitism, so I'll refrain from editing. Perhaps there's a braver soul than I, out there?Pär Larsson (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps there's no such section because, ironically, that claim that is usually made to deflect legitimate criticism, demonize opponents, and stifle debate. Jayjg (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should simply keep apples and oranges separately. There are several related but separate subjects here: (1) anti-Zionism (being anti-Israel), (2) Anti-Judaism (religious issues) and (3) Antisemitism (meaning a sentiment against Jews as an Ethnic group). Is not it? Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 18:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, there are several different topics. The topic of this article is Antisemitism, not those other things. Jayjg (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should simply keep apples and oranges separately. There are several related but separate subjects here: (1) anti-Zionism (being anti-Israel), (2) Anti-Judaism (religious issues) and (3) Antisemitism (meaning a sentiment against Jews as an Ethnic group). Is not it? Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 18:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps there's no such section because, ironically, that claim that is usually made to deflect legitimate criticism, demonize opponents, and stifle debate. Jayjg (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, all very relevant to a page about Anti-Semitism but not intuitively obvious to search for as a 3rd-party, reasonable observer. Which begs the question why there isn't a "Criticism" section (more accurately, "Criticism of usage of the term 'anti-Semitism' in public discourse to demonize an opponent and/or stifle debate" - but that's a bit long) in this article that links to the very link you gave me? I would boldly edit it in, but I'd rather not be boldly accused of anti-Semitism, so I'll refrain from editing. Perhaps there's a braver soul than I, out there?Pär Larsson (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Every few issues The New York Review of Books has an essay on the Israel-Palestinian conflict which of course emphasize criticisms of the Israeli Government, crucial decisions made by Ben Gurion or Meir, and longstanding Israeli policies. I never read a letter to the editor criticzing the authors of the essay or review or authors of the books reviews in question as "anti-Semites." Moreover, this is a highly prominent publicaton and essays on politics, critical of Israel or even of the UK and US, are quite prominent, and I have never seen any criticism of the publication as anti-Semitic. Same gos for criticisms of Israeli poligy I have read in The New Yorker and other publications. All of this serious criticism of Israel that has never occasioned even a whif of an accusation of anti-Semitism ... it makes one wonder whether there is an "anti-Zionism" card that anti-Semites throw in as a precautionary or diversionary measure. Maybe the real problem is anti-Semites who think that criticizing Israel will get them a free pass. Slrubenstein | Talk 18:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think you have hit it exactly, Mr. Rubenstein. This idea that anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically labelled an antisemite is trivially simple to refute and obvious nonsense. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 19:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hence all anti-Israel claims should go to anti-Zionism page, the religious issues should be described in Anti-Judaism, and only claims against Jews as Ethnic group should be described in this Antisemitism article. Right now this is not exactly the case.Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (now Fundamental Rights Agency) listed ways in which attacking Israel could be antisemitic:
- Denying the Jewish people the right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor;
- Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation;
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis;
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis;
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.[2]
- Now, to which specific material in this article do you object? Jayjg (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (now Fundamental Rights Agency) listed ways in which attacking Israel could be antisemitic:
- Hence all anti-Israel claims should go to anti-Zionism page, the religious issues should be described in Anti-Judaism, and only claims against Jews as Ethnic group should be described in this Antisemitism article. Right now this is not exactly the case.Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- - also from that PDF - however, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic - from me - such as its considered illegal annexing of land not belonging to them and its much derided and criticized by many many organizations, countries and informed people, poor treatment of the Palestinian peoples. - the commenting on and opining about these issues is not considered antisemitic at all.Off2riorob (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- It all depends on how it's done; as the quote itself points out, it must be "similar to that leveled against any other country". But in any event your comment isn't really relevant; the point here is that according to the Fundamental Rights Agency "criticism of Israel" may well be antisemitic, which was the issue that was originally raised and being questioned by User:Hodja Nasreddin. Jayjg (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, don't mention Jew and don't mention Nazi - just comment and criticize the Israelis and the state of Israel. Criticism of Israel in not only not anti semitic it is completely correct and relevant and widely supported. If you are claiming that it is correct that criticism of Israel in anti semitic I completely disagree and many, many , other neutrals also do - if that is in this article it requires removing - Off2riorob (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't claimed that at all, Rob. Please review what I've actually written. In fact, no-one claims that "criticism of Israel is anti semitic" - that's merely a straw man raised by self-described "critics of Israel", so that they can pre-emptively nullify any criticism of their own statements - this has been clearly shown in the discussion above. Also, the Fundamental Rights Agency doesn't say that if you "don't mention Jew and don't mention Nazi" you now have a "Get out of Jail free" card regarding antisemitism; rather, it is quite clear that antisemitism also includes "claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor", "applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation", and, in general, applying criticism that is not "similar to that leveled against any other country". Please also carefully review what the Fundamental Rights Agency says. Jayjg (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please. Off2riorob (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please for what? Jayjg (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please for the FRA comments - Criticism of Israel is not anti semantic - full stop. No one needs any get out of free card to criticize a country that is well known for its oppression of another country. Off2riorob (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- For what FRA comments? I already gave a link to the FRA definition above; you obviously read it, since you quoted from it. Also, your personal opinions about what is or isn't antisemitism aren't relevant, nor are your comments about Israel being "known for its oppression of another country". Please review WP:NOTAFORUM. Jayjg (talk) 19:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't realize that was you claim - it disputes your position? anyway - if you think my comments are irrelevant - I will leave it with you then, I will however like millions of others criticize Israel with freedom from opinionated attempts to restrict those comments by unfounded claims of antisemitism, in fact in consideration of your unfounded accusations I will make more statements and cited comments about Israel. Off2riorob (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't made any "claim" about "my position", nor any "unfounded accusations". I'm having a great deal of difficulty understanding the point you are trying to make, or its relevance to this article. Also, please don't threaten other editors, and please review WP:POINT and WP:NOTAFORUM. Jayjg (talk) 20:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- "Criticism of Israel is not anti semantic (sic) - full stop." Dead wrong and badly reasoned. One need only read the quotation from the FRA posted by Jayjg above to see how flawed this is. Although Israel is criticized continuously in ways that are not antisemitic, it is routine for antisemitic attacks to be couched as criticisms of Israel. Your personal opinion does not overrule reliable sources. You're welcome to make all the criticisms of Israel you like, but don't make them here unless they have some relevance to improving the antisemitism article. (A blog might be a good place for them.)--Steven J. Anderson (talk) 19:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic - from the FRA - get your own blog. I realize I am not a single purpose Jewish issue account as you are but surely you want uninvolved opinions without labeling them as anti semitic commentators hiding behind anti Israel comments. Off2riorob (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- As explained above, the Fundamental Rights Agency states that antisemitism also includes "claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor", "applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation", and, in general, applying criticism that is not "similar to that leveled against any other country". Please delete your comments regarding User:Steven J. Anderson per WP:NPA. Jayjg (talk) 20:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic - from the FRA - get your own blog. I realize I am not a single purpose Jewish issue account as you are but surely you want uninvolved opinions without labeling them as anti semitic commentators hiding behind anti Israel comments. Off2riorob (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't realize that was you claim - it disputes your position? anyway - if you think my comments are irrelevant - I will leave it with you then, I will however like millions of others criticize Israel with freedom from opinionated attempts to restrict those comments by unfounded claims of antisemitism, in fact in consideration of your unfounded accusations I will make more statements and cited comments about Israel. Off2riorob (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- For what FRA comments? I already gave a link to the FRA definition above; you obviously read it, since you quoted from it. Also, your personal opinions about what is or isn't antisemitism aren't relevant, nor are your comments about Israel being "known for its oppression of another country". Please review WP:NOTAFORUM. Jayjg (talk) 19:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please for the FRA comments - Criticism of Israel is not anti semantic - full stop. No one needs any get out of free card to criticize a country that is well known for its oppression of another country. Off2riorob (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please for what? Jayjg (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Diff please. Off2riorob (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't claimed that at all, Rob. Please review what I've actually written. In fact, no-one claims that "criticism of Israel is anti semitic" - that's merely a straw man raised by self-described "critics of Israel", so that they can pre-emptively nullify any criticism of their own statements - this has been clearly shown in the discussion above. Also, the Fundamental Rights Agency doesn't say that if you "don't mention Jew and don't mention Nazi" you now have a "Get out of Jail free" card regarding antisemitism; rather, it is quite clear that antisemitism also includes "claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor", "applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation", and, in general, applying criticism that is not "similar to that leveled against any other country". Please also carefully review what the Fundamental Rights Agency says. Jayjg (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, don't mention Jew and don't mention Nazi - just comment and criticize the Israelis and the state of Israel. Criticism of Israel in not only not anti semitic it is completely correct and relevant and widely supported. If you are claiming that it is correct that criticism of Israel in anti semitic I completely disagree and many, many , other neutrals also do - if that is in this article it requires removing - Off2riorob (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- It all depends on how it's done; as the quote itself points out, it must be "similar to that leveled against any other country". But in any event your comment isn't really relevant; the point here is that according to the Fundamental Rights Agency "criticism of Israel" may well be antisemitic, which was the issue that was originally raised and being questioned by User:Hodja Nasreddin. Jayjg (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- what comment do you claim is a personal attack? If it is this, that he is "a single purpose Jewish issue account" - then I will not delete it, a simple look at his edit history supports the comment. Off2riorob (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's quite obvious, and you've now repeated it in a second comment. Remove it from both comments, and comment on content, not on the contributor. That is policy. Jayjg (talk) 20:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Your shouting won't help. I will not delete it, it is clearly correct and indisputable and relevant and as such worthy of comment, NPA does not require that we are requested to act as if blind people. Off2riorob (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Off2riorob—you've told me that I represented a "single purpose account" even in a context in which nothing of a Jewish nature was mentioned. See here, here, and here. I assume you feel my account is "single purpose" in a way that has something to do with Jews, as you aver something to that effect in the three comments linked to. Perhaps you should just allow people to edit where their inclinations lead them, in the interests of collegiality and in the best interests of the encyclopedia as a whole? Bus stop (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere - please correct me if I am mistaken...this discussion is not about you - you are a single issue editor in relation to Jewish issues but you wouldn't dispute that would you?. Off2riorob (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Off2riorob—I believe you have called me a "single purpose account" or something to that effect in settings other than the one I document above. You say, "Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere..." I will be the first to admit that I contribute to the encyclopedia on the topic of Jews. The block log will tell you all about my being blocked at the point in time you refer to. But I edit about other topics as well. I don't have to force myself to edit about other topics. I don't edit about other topics to deceive people into believing that I have other interests besides Jews. I will readily admit that as an account my interests range from Art to Science to Judaism to a variety of other interests. You need not slap labels on people. Editors are human beings with multiple interests. Bus stop (talk) 23:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Cool - I don't mind your edit history, just I retain the right to mention it without it being considered a wikipedia personal attack. Off2riorob (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Off2riorob—I believe you have called me a "single purpose account" or something to that effect in settings other than the one I document above. You say, "Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere..." I will be the first to admit that I contribute to the encyclopedia on the topic of Jews. The block log will tell you all about my being blocked at the point in time you refer to. But I edit about other topics as well. I don't have to force myself to edit about other topics. I don't edit about other topics to deceive people into believing that I have other interests besides Jews. I will readily admit that as an account my interests range from Art to Science to Judaism to a variety of other interests. You need not slap labels on people. Editors are human beings with multiple interests. Bus stop (talk) 23:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Your contributions have been assessed at arbitration level to have issues related to this topic sphere - please correct me if I am mistaken...this discussion is not about you - you are a single issue editor in relation to Jewish issues but you wouldn't dispute that would you?. Off2riorob (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Off2riorob—you've told me that I represented a "single purpose account" even in a context in which nothing of a Jewish nature was mentioned. See here, here, and here. I assume you feel my account is "single purpose" in a way that has something to do with Jews, as you aver something to that effect in the three comments linked to. Perhaps you should just allow people to edit where their inclinations lead them, in the interests of collegiality and in the best interests of the encyclopedia as a whole? Bus stop (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Your shouting won't help. I will not delete it, it is clearly correct and indisputable and relevant and as such worthy of comment, NPA does not require that we are requested to act as if blind people. Off2riorob (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)