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I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Ohr&diff=855122437&oldid=855122202 removed] a section of material in this article because I am concerned that it places [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] on a single event, and in particular, undue weight on a single particular viewpoint about that event; namely, a partisan memo broadly rejected or disputed by other mainstream sources. If we are to discuss Ohr, we have to discuss him in a balanced, fair-minded and even-handed manner, avoiding sensationalism and appropriately attributing partisan opinion, and the wording in question clearly failed that test. [[User:NorthBySouthBaranof|NorthBySouthBaranof]] ([[User talk:NorthBySouthBaranof|talk]]) 03:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Ohr&diff=855122437&oldid=855122202 removed] a section of material in this article because I am concerned that it places [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] on a single event, and in particular, undue weight on a single particular viewpoint about that event; namely, a partisan memo broadly rejected or disputed by other mainstream sources. If we are to discuss Ohr, we have to discuss him in a balanced, fair-minded and even-handed manner, avoiding sensationalism and appropriately attributing partisan opinion, and the wording in question clearly failed that test. [[User:NorthBySouthBaranof|NorthBySouthBaranof]] ([[User talk:NorthBySouthBaranof|talk]]) 03:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
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::Using that reasoning the [[Steele dossier]] can't be mentioned in any article about Donald Trump because its partisan. I think there's a popular saying here, something like "we go by reliable sources". So if reliable sources are reporting the memo, its fair game (assuming we attribute it correctly, which we have).--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 03:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
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"Bruce Ohr served as a Department of Justice contact for Christopher Steele, ..."
This implies ongoing contacts, not one contact or occasional contacts. What's the truth here? -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 16:13, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- In fact, it implies he was an official contact person. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 16:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC) BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 16:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- WaPo reports that Ohr and Simpson met in a coffee shop. The nature of Ohr's relationship with Steele is not public, though Sen. Chuck Grassley has requested more records. FallingGravity 16:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- I have removed a link here which goes to a site which flagrantly violates WP:RS and WP:BLP; it is unacceptable as a source and unacceptable for discussion here. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- @NorthBySouthBaranof:You've got to be kidding me. Fox News is a reliable source. Just because you do not like it doesn't make it unreliable. Every time this has been brought up at WP:RSN, the consensus has been the same.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Try again. The link removed went to Gateway Pundit. If you think Gateway Pundit is a reliable source, you need to re-examine your understanding of what reliable sources are, and you should probably refrain from editing biographies of living persons until you do so. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- You can cut the personal attacks. The information you removed was sourced to Fox News, CNN, and the Washington Post. There's no gateway pundit.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Oh really? I removed it from this very talk page. Try again. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- You can cut the personal attacks. The information you removed was sourced to Fox News, CNN, and the Washington Post. There's no gateway pundit.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Try again. The link removed went to Gateway Pundit. If you think Gateway Pundit is a reliable source, you need to re-examine your understanding of what reliable sources are, and you should probably refrain from editing biographies of living persons until you do so. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- @NorthBySouthBaranof:You've got to be kidding me. Fox News is a reliable source. Just because you do not like it doesn't make it unreliable. Every time this has been brought up at WP:RSN, the consensus has been the same.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Why propose deletion now?
Why of all times would this article be proposed for deletion now when it has come to light that that Ohr served as a back channel from Steele to the FBI?Phmoreno (talk) 02:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC) [1]
- This is a classic WP:BLP1E. There is no evidence presented that Ohr is notable outside his linkage to a single event in the news; all cited sources discuss Ohr in the context of this event. Thus, there are no policy-supported grounds (or sufficient sourced materials) to write a biography of him as opposed to a WP:COATRACK which is actually about that event. Therefore, mention of Ohr belongs in the relevant articles. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Removed material
I have removed a section of material in this article because I am concerned that it places undue weight on a single event, and in particular, undue weight on a single particular viewpoint about that event; namely, a partisan memo broadly rejected or disputed by other mainstream sources. If we are to discuss Ohr, we have to discuss him in a balanced, fair-minded and even-handed manner, avoiding sensationalism and appropriately attributing partisan opinion, and the wording in question clearly failed that test. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Using that reasoning the Steele dossier can't be mentioned in any article about Donald Trump because its partisan. I think there's a popular saying here, something like "we go by reliable sources". So if reliable sources are reporting the memo, its fair game (assuming we attribute it correctly, which we have).--Rusf10 (talk) 03:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)